A question for escorts about after a meeting?

[Guest elwood]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

Thunderbuns....your comments above were tactless and mean spirited and not really needed here.

But..then ....join the club.We can be so nice to each other can't we?

 

And,by the way, thats not what I feel about most of the posts I have read which you have authored.

[Guest OnMyKnees4UC]

Hello. I am new to hiring escorts. I'm a gwm, late 40's - in good shape -NYC. Next week will only be my third experience with an escort - someone that I have been wanting to meet for a while because he lives out of town. We spoke on the phone and agreed on a fee for 1.5 hours. I am also a generous tipper. My queston is that I would like to invite him out to dinner at a nice restaurant after we meet. I have heard that this time is charged for and many times it is not. How do I best handle this situation. This is someone I would like to know a bit more about -professionally. I will most likely call him again. I feel a bit funny asking him a question like this. Should I? I know this is a business transaction and want to be fair, but at the same time don't want to act foolishly. Thanks.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

If a client asked me if I wanted to go to dinner after our session, off the clock but on the client, I'd be pleased to accept. We all gotta eat, and it's a great opportunity to get friendlier with a client. It's good business too. There have been times though, if it was a spontaneous request, when my schedule just didn't allow the liesure of a nice sit-down meal, and so I've had to decline. Clients should try and not take offense when an escort can't do dinner on the spot. Of course, I've met a client or two that I'd rather not do food with, but those are usually the kind of guys that don't ask anyway. Some clients who hire for a full evening, from say- six to midnite- will usually specify if dinner is being served and where. Some will get your input, some will just tell you how to dress. If there is no mention of dining while making plans for a multi-hour gig, I'll go ahead and ask if I should eat before our appointment.

 

So there's lots of possible scenarios, but I think the bottom line is for you to go ahead and ask him up front if he'd like to go to dinner on you, but off the clock (unless you can easily afford to pay for his dinner and time, in which case you should hire him for the whole weekend!) I wouldn't wait until you were cleaning up to pop the question. Hope this helps.

 

rentjoey@hotmail.com

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[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Excellent Answers

 

>If a client asked me if I wanted to go to dinner after our

>session, off the clock but on the client, I'd be pleased to

>accept. We all gotta eat, and it's a great opportunity to

>get friendlier with a client. It's good business too.

 

Joey gave an extremely well-written, positive answer and, IMHO, the appropriate response to this question, all of his response, not just the part above. However, I wanted to specifically highlight this aspect for my fellow escorts: many of the things I do, like making recommendations for hotels, dining suggestions (whether they involved me or not), theater tickets, as well as spending time speaking on the telephone with or have extensive chats on line with prospective clients, certainly take up part -- sometimes a lengthy part -- of my time, but these practices all make very good business sense for someone who wants longevity, positive feedback, good reviews and, for me, most importantly, good karma. I treat people the way I would like them to treat me: with courtesy and respect. If a particular client does not provide it, it will come to me elsewhere, and if it does not, I have the knowledge that I did what I thought was proper and appropriate.

 

Finally, and hopefully I do not sound like a broken record when I repeat this again, communication -- as it always is -- is the fastest means to a good relationship.

 

Good luck!

[Guest Thunderbuns]

I Tried - I really did try

 

..........to find the relevance in your post vis a vis the question posed by the originator of this thread.

 

And I failed - failed totally and miserably.

 

There is none. It is nothing but yet another self serving post designed to tell the world how fucking wonderful YOU are.

 

Some people just have to be the center of attraction. Does big ego equal little dick?

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Willy]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

>It is nothing but yet another self serving

>post designed to tell the world how fucking wonderful YOU

>are.

>

>Some people just have to be the center of attraction. Does

>big ego equal little dick?

>

>Thunderbuns

 

Hey Thun, you're right but weren't you being just a little bit on the harsh side here? It's not like the guy bit instead of sucked. :+

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

>Hey Thun, you're right but weren't you being just a little

>bit on the harsh side here? It's not like the guy bit

>instead of sucked. :+

 

Harsh? Actually, it was a toned down version of what I had originally written but did't post.

 

If it were the first time, I probably would have said nothing. It's just that he does it all the time. So - if he feels he has license to continually self-promote, then other's have equal license to call him on it.

 

We all know he's an "escort" although a somewhat ageing one. We all know he's a Billy Wilder wannabe. We know where he is located, should we want to hire him. So why do we need this daily reminder of how compasionate & customer service oriented he is. It like one of those irritating commercials on TV that just won't go away!

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

I still don't get the off-the-clock dinning stuff. As an engineer I wouldn't have dreamed of leaving a VMX for payroll requesting that they deduct from my week's pay the 1.5 hour lunch I shared with a client. What makes Escorting so different?

[swallows22]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

Mate, the difference is that you were an employee [when you were on the payroll] vis-a-vis self-employed. And before you give me any of that existential bull shit, I am a MBA, CPA and have travelled to every continent except Antarctica[going this year]. So give it a rest. Cheers!

[Rod Hagen]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

>Mate, the difference is that you were an employee [when you

>were on the payroll] vis-a-vis self-employed.

 

As an employee my salary was secured so weekday meals obviously cost me nothing. Self-employed people lose money every moment they aren't working. Therefore, it's silly to not get paid for meals with business associates instead of spending the time trolling for new and established clients. I hope that's not too existential for a globe-trotting bean-counter?

 

> So give it a rest.

 

Nope

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

>Thunderbuns....your comments above were tactless and mean

>spirited and not really needed here.

 

Glad you noticed :-)

 

When I smell shit, I find it hard to say "Gee that smells like roses to me"

 

>But..then ....join the club.We can be so nice to each other

>can't we?

 

Like I should take a page out of Regulation's book?

 

>And,by the way, thats not what I feel about most of the

>posts I have read which you have authored.

 

Every site needs a score keeper.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest bottomboykk]

RE: I Tried - I really did try

 

Yet another case of a thread that started off nicely with a couple of good responses, and then someone has to come in and hijack it. Sometimes, things are better left unsaid.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

... I really did try ....

 

>to find the relevance in your post vis a vis the

>question posed by the originator of this thread.

 

My post very clearly is a response to Joey's, which I indicated I agreed with. I then added something which I would think any consumer of escorts would be interested in, an aside where I indicated to my fellow escorts why it sometimes can make good business sense to do certain things, even if they cost you, in either opportunity or income.

 

>And I failed - failed totally and miserably.

 

Sometimes when you confuse symptoms for problems and no longer call things by their proper name, misery occurs.

 

>There is none. It is nothing but yet another self serving

>post designed to tell the world how fucking wonderful YOU are.

 

In California, we are big on self-esteem. We even had a state funded commission on it once.

 

>Some people just have to be the center of attraction.

 

Actually, I can point you and others to any number of threads I neither read nor post to. TheVAST majority, in fact.

 

I also can point to a few threads which I did view, but did not post in, because I felt whatever point I might make, had been well made by others, on at least one instance, well made by yourself, for example.

 

I would suggest to you and to other individuals who seem to find it necessary to become disturbed and distraught by what I write to consider the benefit of simply not reading my words. I would think that being miserable, much less a failure, would provide great cause for personal concern, not to mention that this fixation with what I write, this strong emotional attachment to my thoughts, is apparently neither healthy nor wise for any of you.

 

> Does big ego equal little dick?

 

 

The only place to put ones faith is firmly in oneself.

[Traveler North]

My experience with escorts has varied. Recently had overnight on a trip and escort was open to dinner and breakfast at no extra charge.

Asked to be paid flat overnight rate. Another escort I recently had overnight made it clear his overnights were 12 hours and time started when he arrived to go out to dinner. I appreciated his openeness in clarifying his policy. We had a great time.

 

There is yet another escort I see rather regularly who I like very much to be with. We may meet for several hours and then go out to dinner or have dinner at my place. He does not charge for any time but "playtime." He is a wonderful guy who is intelligent and considerate. It is just great to be with him, sex or not.

[pacnwescort]

Well I thought comparing Joey Ciccone's response to Rod Hagen's was interesting.

 

First, I know Rod is cheap and lazy, so of course he wouldn't agree to have dinner with a client for free. (Btw Rod, are we still friends?) :-)

 

This is an issue I get emotional about in both directions, and it seems to depend completely on the context and the individual involved.

 

For example, Rod and I have both repeatedly been with a client who is a very thoughtful man who pays both of us well (although he pays Rod better - what's that about?) "Clock time" with this client typically involves travel to a great hotel in a great location and days of fine dining at gourmet restaraunts. So if this client can pay for dinner and hotel in addition to a daily fee, why would I have dinner with another client "off the clock" at all? It would be stupid, and even unfair to the guys who are willing to pay for it!

 

Well, I also make a point to see this same client occassionally "off the clock" just to have lunch or catch up, and when I do that I pay for lunch. Partly, frankly, because as Joey points out it makes good business sense, it encourages repeat business, it helps you to get to know someone, or keep in touch, etc. I also just happen to like the guy and even if I stopped escorting tomorrow I would make a point to remain his friend.

 

Here's the other side of the coin. I have a former client who I hooked up with several times for one hour - although it always seemed to last for more than an hour - although he always paid me exactly my one hour rate with no tip. Then after a few paid calls he asked me to stay for dinner, afterward, "off the clock." So I told him I would do it, one time, to get to know him better, because I knew he wasn't rich and had to be careful about his money. Well, even the paid "sex" part of the call went way overtime, and dinner also went over the amount of time he said it would take. Having said that, I actually enjoyed the dinner a lot, and I did get to know him better. Then I found he invited me to stay for dinner "off the clock" every time. The second time he asked I made a point of saying no, because I wanted to make it clear he had no right to expect it if he wasn't paying for my time. Without going into any more detail, I definitely FELT like he kept aggressively pushing the limits of the amount of time he could get me to spend with him without being paid to do so. The last time I ate with him "off the clock," he asked me to go to lunch to catch up with him, and when the bill came he reached for it and told me what my half of the bill cost. I thought it was pretty tacky. On the occassions when I have asked regular clients to have lunch or go to a movie with me "off the clock", I ALWAYS pay, because it seems like the tactful thing to do. Besides, popping for a $30 lunch (LOL - I DON'T bring them to gourmet restaraunts on my meager income) seems like a fun little game to play with someone you like who has paid thousands of dollars to be with you. Anyways, I handed him $10 and haven't seen him since. Despite occassional requests from him to hook up again, I just got tired of feeling like he was always testing my limits.

 

Maybe I'm overly sensitive (in fact, I know I'm overly sensitive) but basically it seems like there are, on the extreme, some clients who will bend over backwards to be thoughtful and generous, and others who almost seem to enjoy testing your limits and seeing if they can "get something for free." Of course, there truly is no such thing as a free lunch. So when I feel someone is being genuinely giving and generous to me, I tend to be generous in return. And when I feel someone is taking as much as they can get, I head for the hills! Sounds pretty subjective, but it works for me.

 

Of course, another way to look at it is that it's easy for a client with a lot of money to pay for dinner, whereas most clients really can't afford to wine and dine an escort because an hour or two of the escort's time really is expensive enough given their budget. That's fair. But then its also fair for escorts to just stick with the policy that they get paid for their time, period. After all, we have a budget too. After all, Armani clothes, tanning sessions, and gym memberships are not free these days! LOL.

 

The one objective rule I have developed and stuck with is that I will only break the rules for regular clients. If someone I have never met wants to have sex for an hour and then get to know me better, I think its reasonable to expect them to pay for both requests. On the other hand, if they have invested time and money in me over a period of time - in other words, if they prove they are thoughtful about my time - I feel comfortable breaking the rules, as long as they continue to be thoughtful about my time. After all, isn't the whole escort thing about breaking the rules anyway? :-)

 

Steven

[chrismac]

I have never asked an escort to dinner for the same reasons Rod mentioned in his post - I assumed that all time was on the clock (although some have gone over 15 minutes or so), and no escort has ever disabused me of this notion.

 

In Germany I was asked to go out for a drink after a session (he even offered to buy) by an escort - but it was late and I don't drink much, so I politely declined his kind offer.

 

If I want to get to know an escort better (on the first meeting), I'll ask for an hour and a half (maybe two hours if they've got a really good reputation), and offer wine or something else to go with the conversation.

 

This has worked particularly well with one esteemed escort - who just happened to post the previous message here (Steven) when he visited me twice at my house in Portland last year. We enjoyed the session together, a nice bottle of wine each time. A win-win for both.

 

By the way Steven - how the hell are ya buddy?!:*

[bluenix]

One of the more cogent posts I've read here in a while.

 

Nice going.

 

b

[mmk]

I do agree with bluenix about this post. This has been actually nice not to here any cat fighting or bitching but good honest opinion with a little bit of sarcasm (yes Steven, I do mean you. But you are so darn cute be as sarcastic as you want-LOL)

 

I will be honest, before when I would meet up with an escort, the thoughts of asking them to dinner never would have crossed my mind. I guess mainly the ones I have met up with were usually just dancers in bars so there was never a reason to do anything else. (Pgh has a low supply of escorts-sad to say) I would not have a problem meeting for a drink or a bite to eat beforehand but if it would be between spending two hours with an escort where one hour is dinner and one hour is sex or two hours with an escort where two hours is sex then I would have to choose the latter. (Okay, I admit it, I am a sex pig. At least I am honest about it.)

[chrismac]

>I would not have a problem meeting for a

>drink or a bite to eat beforehand but if it would be between

>spending two hours with an escort where one hour is dinner

>and one hour is sex or two hours with an escort where two

>hours is sex then I would have to choose the latter. (Okay,

>I admit it, I am a sex pig. At least I am honest about it.)

 

Totally agree with that - and Here! Here! for sex pigs!

}>

[Guest AdamLVescort]

Well from this escorts point of view. I don't think I have ever been "on the clock" while going out to dinner. In fact I have bought clients dinner on occasions. We all operate differently. Thats what makes some good and some bad that we are all different (not refering to this situation). In Vegas there are tons of places to eat so for me dinner is dinner. I think that if you email the escort and ask him if he had time and if he minded to have dinner before or after the events start, he would respect that. I have guys ask me and it doesn't bother me one bit. I am fortunate to have great clientel so extending my time w/ dinner is a bonus to me. Just my 2 cents .

 

Later,

Adam

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