411 on these NYC masseurs

[BuddyWorker]

Got to see Omar today https://rentmasseur.com/OmarCures and that guy is hot AF! He gives a fantastic massage. He’s clearly trained. He also gets into the sensual aspect of the session quite nicely. Especially when he starts nibbling your ear! ?

[Fridolf]

Got to see Omar today https://rentmasseur.com/OmarCures and that guy is hot AF! He gives a fantastic massage. He’s clearly trained. He also gets into the sensual aspect of the session quite nicely. Especially when he starts nibbling your ear! ?

 

Thanks, does Omar work from his apt or a rented studio?

[queensboroboy]

OmarCures sensual rate is above the average rate. What does do to deserve it?

[Richardbl]

He is good. Provides nice oral treatment

[BuddyWorker]

Thanks, does Omar work from his apt or a rented studio?

 

He works from his apartment. I think he worked at 51W on 14th street for a time.

[Massageislife]

OmarCures sensual rate is above the average rate. What does do to deserve it?

He lists $160/hr., which is what I paid last year ($240 for 90 min). Are you saying he upchatged for basic sensual elements?

[queensboroboy]

He lists $160/hr., which is what I paid last year ($240 for 90 min). Are you saying he upchatged for basic sensual elements?

Quoted $180 for sensual

[Massageislife]

Quoted $180 for sensual

I'm glad you shared this. I enjoyed my experience with Omar, but that's unacceptable. He lists both sensual and erotic massage as possibilities, with a price ($160/hr.) that is typical for erotic massage (not to mention pictures that indicate he will be nude or nearly so).

 

I want the m4m experience to be as little of an underground one as possible. I treat masseurs extremely professionally, which they deserve. It's highly unprofessional, however, to advertise sensual/erotic massage at a certain rate but then expect customers to ask if that's really the rate they will pay. (I'm not talking about "extras" that move into the area of escorting.)

[rogerG]

I want the m4m experience to be as little of an underground one as possible.

That's a bit unrealistic, given that what many of these guys do in the name of massage is illegal. The best you can do is be critical of their business practices here and hope that some of these guys read it and consider your advice.

 

There has always been a hustle aspect associated with sex services for money. Many sex workers see their work as a legit opportunity to upsell, no different than a rental car agent selling extras. The more product you sell, the more you can charge. It's about making money. Some guys wish to conduct their business this way, while others prefer not.

 

There is a lot of choice out there. I prefer the non-hustle types, but if a certain look appeals to you, the temptation to book a hustle can take a pinch out of your wallet. I think Omar is hot, and if he wants to suck my cock during the massage, I'm afraid I might be willing to pay extra for that, even if I didn't know about it in advance. It's not like he is allowed to advertise that. A hot man nibbling at my ear during a massage and asking to provide oral @ $25 extra can have a strange and intoxicating power over me. You just have to be sure to bring extra cash.

Edited September 28, 2019 by rogerG

[Massageislife]

That's a bit unrealistic, given that what many of these guys do in the name of massage is illegal. The best you can do is be critical of their business practices here and hope that some of these guys read it and consider your advice.

 

There has always been a hustle aspect associated with sex services for money. Many sex workers see their work as a legit opportunity to upsell, no different than a rental car agent selling extras. The more product you sell, the more you can charge. It's about making money. Some guys wish to conduct their business this way, while others prefer not.

 

There is a lot of choice out there. I prefer the non-hustle types, but if a certain look appeals to you, the temptation to book a hustle can take a pinch out of your wallet. I think Omar is hot, and if he wants to suck my cock during the massage, I'm afraid I might be willing to pay extra for that, even if I didn't know about it in advance. It's not like he is allowed to advertise that. A hot man nibbling at my ear during a massage and asking to provide oral @ $25 extra can have a strange and intoxicating power over me. You just have to be sure to bring extra cash.

Roger, although I am definitely a little bit sentimental about something I love as much as m4m massage and protective of the fragility of its intimacy (and as long as it's illegal, its risk), I don't think I'm being unrealistic here. You're no doubt right about the history of m4m massage and how its hustle elements derive from its lying somewhere on a continuum of sex work. Things are changing, though. In New York now, for example, it looks likely that sex work will soon be decriminalized. It will be so good for all of us--masseurs and clients--when it is. Until then, I hope we're all committed to treating masseurs (and escorts, if you're on that page of the site) with professionalism. Likewise, I also want the participants on this site to alert us to all the hustlers out there. You're right: some of us are going to go for a hustler anyway, but we can help each other be more open-eyed about what we might be getting.

 

That's the problem with your moving to the example of being willing to pay extra for a blowjob. It distracts, I think, from what this discussion is about. Anyone who expects a blowjob (or kissing or rimming or fucking) to be included in the price of a sensual or erotic massage is way out of line, and we should tell them so. My point is not about "extras" that go beyond what I sense is the general, almost universal understanding of the members of this community about what should be expected in a sensual or erotic massage. I don't mind hearing that such extras are available for a price, but what I really want, along with accounts of positive experiences with specific masseurs, is a heads-up for what you call "hustles." That includes, on the most serious end, of things like physically dangerous situations or outright financial scams, to other, lesser forms of misrepresentation, from catfishing to dated pictures and surprise upcharges for generally agreed-upon sensual and erotic basics. If, for example, a masseur advertising erotic massage, posting a rate of, say, $160/hr., and including shirtless or nude photos tells us when we arrive that it will be extra to perform shirtless or nude, to touch them in any way, of not to not avoid our dick or ass, my wish is that will be part of what we write on this site, if we decide to post about them.

[rogerG]

Anyone who expects a blowjob (or kissing or rimming or fucking) to be included in the price of a sensual or erotic massage is way out of line

Way out of line? Where on the line is that? And whose line is it? From what I hear from fellow customers, I don't think "way out of line" is true. I agree no one should "expect" anything other than some form of massage. However, the reality is many of us get more than we expected, much more, depending, and most of us are pleased with that, whether it cost extra or not.

 

what I sense is the general, almost universal understanding

Is there a general, universal understanding? I don't think there is. Looks and chemistry (and a whole lot of other details) play a huge role in these matters, and there is nothing general or universal about that. Sensual massage is subject to interpretation and mood, mostly that of the MT. Some visits are more rewarding than others, even with the same guy. Human beings are providing the service, and many of them can be complicated on any given day. So, again no, I don't think there is a general, universal understanding of how this is supposed to work.

[Massageislife]

Way out of line? Where on the line is that? And whose line is it? From what I hear from fellow customers, I don't think "way out of line" is true. I agree no one should "expect" anything other than some form of massage. However, the reality is many of us get more than we expected, much more, depending, and most of us are pleased with that, whether it cost extra or not.

 

 

Is there a general, universal understanding? I don't think there is. Looks and chemistry (and a whole lot of other details) play a huge role in these matters, and there is nothing general or universal about that. Sensual massage is subject to interpretation and mood, mostly that of the MT. Some visits are more rewarding than others, even with the same guy. Human beings are providing the service, and many of them can be complicated on any given day. So, again no, I don't think there is a general, universal understanding of how this is supposed to work.

Roger, I can only describe the sense I get from the discussions on this forum. I've never seen a poster express outrage or even surprise (maybe disappointment, which is something different) that their sensual or erotic massage didn't include oral sex. They only report happy surprise when it does happen. I've seen lots of advice, on the other hand, that if oral sex, for example, is actually what one is looking for, one should be hiring an escort, at the requisite rate. I haven't seen many (any) complaints when a masseur offered extras, depending on their personal policies or mood and the chemistry with an individual client. That's different than expecting free extras, however, and, for what it's worth, I hope that people tip in proportion to the amount of "extras" they get. That's what I would feel I deserved, if I were a masseur.

 

Likewise, I gather from my reading of postings on this site that there are indeed commonsensical, general (not universal) things members of this community understand that differentiate m4m massage from "legit" therapeutic massage. Those things are the reason that we pay so much more for this type of massage; if we opt for sensual or erotic massage, we are contracting for something more than "some form of massage." Again, I fear that you and I are missing each other in this conversation. I don't believe that you are saying that we can't expect anything more than a massage when we hire a private sensual or erotic masseur; nor are you saying, I'm sure, that kissing, rimming, sucking, and/or fucking are reasonable expectations to place on someone advertising erotic massage for, say, $150/hr. I'm not sure what your disagreement with me is. What do you are think the minimal elements of a massage advertised on an m4m site as "sensual," without which a client has a right to be disappointed and complain, for example, on a forum like this? (I only get erotic or therapeutic massage, since the middle ground of "sensual" is murky to me.) I'm counting on my brothers here to tell me, among other things, when a masseur advertising and charging for a sensual or erotic massage does nothing more than I would have gotten from a much cheaper legit massage.

 

I like discussions on this forum about what we think words like "sensual" or "erotic" in a masseur's advertisement mean. I started a thread recently about "erotic massage" in particular. It seemed from the many posts that there was general agreement that nudity, some degree of mutual touch, and non-avoidance of the ass and penis were reasonable things to expect--without upcharge--when one paid for an erotic massage. (Some people seemed to think HE was also a component of an erotic massage.) Everyone also seemed to agree that anything sexual beyond that was delightful but not part of the initial deal. Every sexual thing possible can happen in an m4m massage context (most of them have happened to me), and undoutedly that's where "looks and chemistry" play a role. I just hope we'll alert each other to masseurs who don't follow through on the basic sensual or erotic elements of massage as advertised just because they're having an off day or the client isn't good-looking/provides the requisite chemistry with them. Genuine professionals--in any profession--don't fail to discharge their basic functions, just because they're not feeling chemistry with a client.

[rogerG]

I can only describe the sense I get from the discussions on this forum

I can assure you, the sense you get on this subject on a public forum may only be half the story for obvious reasons. Additional sense can be found in private messages, if you can find a member who trusts you and is willing to share details. Even with all that, there's no rule book, no guide book, and certainly no guarantees. The provider sets his limits with each customer (they won't be universal), and we customers pay their price. It's best to view their ads as the minimal amount of information available. If you want to know more or ask more, contact the provider. Let him know what you are looking for. Ask him if you can share your fantasy massage with him, and see what he thinks. You'll have a much better time if you don't over think things and keep expectations low.

[Massageislife]

I can assure you, the sense you get on this subject on a public forum may only be half the story for obvious reasons. Additional sense can be found in private messages, if you can find a member who trusts you and is willing to share details. Even with all that, there's no rule book, no guide book, and certainly no guarantees. The provider sets his limits with each customer (they won't be universal), and we customers pay their price. It's best to view their ads as the minimal amount of information available. If you want to know more or ask more, contact the provider. Let him know what you are looking for. Ask him if you can share your fantasy massage with him, and see what he thinks. You'll have a much better time if you don't over think things and keep expectations low.

Well, I appreciate your taking the time to write, but it feels like we're talking past each other. Words like "sensual" and "erotic" mean something generally (otherwise language wouldn't function at all), and posters on this site have helped me get clearer sense of what people on both sides of the transaction mean when they use them.

 

I'm not asking for advice on how to talk to masseurs, especially once we've had our initial meeting. I'm also not asking how to get my "fantasy massage." I'm not asking for something rigid, like a "ruIe book" or a "guarantee." And, finally, I know there are no universal experiences of anything in life, especially something complicated like massage. Maybe your phrase, "guide book," is a better way to put it. Before I found this site, my experience was much more mixed. Having a community to discuss (in both public and private messages) their experiences with specific masseurs and the m4m massage experience in general hasn't turned getting an erotic massage into utopia, but the collective guidance here has been really helpful.

 

I wish you the best

[rogerG]

it feels like we're talking past each other

It shouldn't. My posts are public, meant for all eyes who wish to read. If I wanted to address you directly, in a more private conversation, I have the option to PM you.

 

Words like "sensual" and "erotic" mean something generally (otherwise language wouldn't function at all)

I would argue they mean nothing in this context. I could be wrong, but I think Rentmasseur is the only massage site using those words. IMO, they're using the words to lure customers into using their site. It's called click-bate. It's not easy to get About Us info on Rentmasseur. However, their DMCA agent is located in Germany, which suggests to me they are hosted outside of the U.S. If a massage host used those words on a U.S. hosted site, I imagine it would invite unwanted scrutiny.

 

Wishing you the best, too.

[Massageislife]

It shouldn't. My posts are public, meant for all eyes who wish to read. If I wanted to address you directly, in a more private conversation, I have the option to PM you.

 

 

I would argue they mean nothing in this context. I could be wrong, but I think Rentmasseur is the only massage site using those words. IMO, they're using the words to lure customers into using their site. It's called click-bate. It's not easy to get About Us info on Rentmasseur. However, their DMCA agent is located in Germany, which suggests to me they are hosted outside of the U.S. If a massage host used those words on a U.S. hosted site, I imagine it would invite unwanted scrutiny.

 

Wishing you the best, too.

Roger, you're obviously addressing me directly, when you preface your remarks with quotes from things I've written. Nobody else is weighing in here (and I don't blame them!).

 

If you think the words, "sensual" and "erotic," mean nothing in the context not just of Rentmasseur but on this forum, where they are frequently and commonly used, then there isn't much more to say here. Be well

[rogerG]

you're obviously addressing me directly, when you preface your remarks with quotes from things I've written

A person's quotes stimulate thought. That does not mean every word that follows is a direct response to the person quoted. I'm not looking to argue. I'm just stating a fact.

 

If you think the words, "sensual" and "erotic," mean nothing in the context

I absolutely think they mean nothing. Nothing more than click-bate.

[Massageislife]

A person's quotes stimulate thought. That does not mean every word that follows is a direct response to the person quoted. I'm not looking to argue. I'm just stating a fact.

 

 

I absolutely think they mean nothing. Nothing more than click-bate.

"When I quote you, I'm not responding to you." "Words mean nothing." You're a piece of work, dude!

[pubic_assistance]

You guys seem to be missing the point that someone who advertises MASSAGE can't be expected to provide more than a massage. Erotic massage is still a massage ...not an escort service. On the subject of Omar. He's a very handsome man with great massage skills. That's what you pay for. If the price is too much for you...move on to someone in your budget. The man is a class act. Well worth his rate. You want a hooker/ hire a hooker.

[ontheroad]

Quoted $180 for sensual

Quoted me 200 for sensual

[ny73]

You guys seem to be missing the point that someone who advertises MASSAGE can't be expected to provide more than a massage. Erotic massage is still a massage ...not an escort service. On the subject of Omar. He's a very handsome man with great massage skills. That's what you pay for. If the price is too much for you...move on to someone in your budget. The man is a class act. Well worth his rate. You want a hooker/ hire a hooker.

Yes absolutely! Totally agree with you.

[rogerG]

someone who advertises MASSAGE can't be expected to provide more than a massage

Another +1.

[Massageislife]

You guys seem to be missing the point that someone who advertises MASSAGE can't be expected to provide more than a massage. Erotic massage is still a massage ...not an escort service. On the subject of Omar. He's a very handsome man with great massage skills. That's what you pay for. If the price is too much for you...move on to someone in your budget. The man is a class act. Well worth his rate. You want a hooker/ hire a hooker.

Public_assistance, I agree with you about Omar. I posted positive things about him. I also don't have an issue with what a masseur charges, but I hope the price he posts is accurate. If the price varies according to the type of massage, he should list the different prices or write "Ask" next to the price, as many masseurs do. I also hope my brothers will share information about masseurs who upcharge, especially for basic, advertised services.

 

As for the rest of what you write, typing the world "massage" in all caps doesn't clarify what you mean by the term. Obviously, a masseur is different from an escort, but erotic m4m massage is different from legit therapeutic massage, and you know it. A large part of the value of this site for me are the discussions about what constitutes an erotic massage and specific experiences my brothers have had with erotic masseurs, and I'll keep coming back for this reason.

[ontheroad]

Got to see Omar today https://rentmasseur.com/OmarCures and that guy is hot AF! He gives a fantastic massage. He’s clearly trained. He also gets into the sensual aspect of the session quite nicely. Especially when he starts nibbling your ear! ?

But the perfumed lotion/oil is too much. I think I had to shower 3 times and then wash my towels.

[Jvaldez1976]

Very nice guys all of them but I’ve had better