A Little Goes a Long Way

[Guest mario-las vegas]

Hi Guys,

 

I would like to air a pet peeve of mine as an escort. It is about clients

who overdo the use of colognes and body wash when meeting, especially for

the first time. This seems to be more of a problem for my married clients

than others. This scenario has happened to me on more than one occasion.

I meet the client and everything is pleasant until that moment comes and I

begin to experience a strong, bitter chemical flavor everywhere. I then

suggest that a shower would be nice but the clients refuse saying that oh

no, I just had one before you got here. I didn't hesitate to tell them my

feelings and give them my suggestions at the end of the sessions and the

reply always is that yes, I know I used a body lotion; it makes me feel

cleaner. You can be very clean without using strong lotions and creams all

over your body. This is a total turn off for me and I am sure other

escorts as well. However, I do enjoy meeting people and never did anything

during the actual session to indicate my displeasure.

 

When you meet someone, escorts or clients, you are not going to impress

that person by "bathing in" the most expensive lotions or colognes. A

little goes a long way especially when put in the proper places and not you

know where. Although this might seem to most people to be a trivial issue,

it has become an important subject to me and I just wanted to use this

forum to express my opinion.

 

mario las vegas

[Guest Monopolizer]

Cologne Application

 

I once read that you should spray a mist of cologne in the air, then walk through the cloud and that would be the right amount to wear.

[Bilbo]

RE: Cologne Application

 

One should, I suppose, keep in mind that some people are allergic to colognes and that since you don't know this playfellow, he just might be one of them.

I heard on National Public Radio yesterday that Halifax (if I remember correctly), Nova Scotia has passed a law that makes the wearing of anything highly scented illegal in their public buildings.

[Guest waikiki]

RE: Cologne Application

 

Mario, one evening 2-3 months ago you arrived at my home in West Las Vegas with such an overwhelming odor of old tabacco that it can justly be best described as a force field. It was in your hair, your clothing and on your skin. As a former smoker and a part-time resident of southern France I long ago learned to be tolerant and overlooked it. After pouring you some wine I asked you if you were aware of just how strong your body odor was. Remember? After sniffing the air you replied that you had just picked up some friends from Italy at the airport, who had proceeded to chain smoke in your car. Remember now? You did not ask to use my shower and I did not insult you by suggesting it. You position yourself as a world-class escort (I did not after all, find you at the Main Street Greyhound station) with all that that implies. When you left my home two hours later my only thought was "too bad". Too bad, because I was looking for a man to see regularly two or three times a month as I pass through, and knew it would not be you. You had booked two hours of my time (yes, that phrase works both ways) and could not find five minutes to shower.

 

The next time one of my brother clients errs on the side of cleanliness I suggest you show him the same tolerance I displayed to you. He is after all, no matter how overzealously, only trying to present himself to you in the best possible light. Respect that you did not extend to me.

[Guest Jake]

RE: Cologne Application

 

I find it amazing the level of unkindness that is permeating this board. Mario was posting something that I would imagine could be very distasteful to an escort. He did it kindly and without naming names. In fact, he implied that he does go through with his appointments when this cologne and lotion problem occurs, and he was posting in the hopes that those who use escorts see it and take into consideration that,in their desire to present themselves favorably to an escort, they might,in fact, be doing just the opposite. However, this poster, instead of directing an email to Mario, either when the incident occurred or directing one to him now, decides to take the opportunity to embarrass him publicly. I find it very distasteful, and one more reason why I seldom post on this board. This, in my opinion, is certainly not the most egregious offense of this kind, but it is the one on which I choose to comment. A philosophy professor I admire greatly once told me that an unhappy person is a dangerous person. Unhappiness seems to be the usual state of mind for many of the regular posters.

[Guest Garrett]

RE: Cologne Application

 

I am afraid that I must agree with Jake on this issue. What started out as an innocent contribution to this forum has led to a poison pen posting. It's no wonder that more escorts don't post here. If this person has a beef with Mario, it should not be aired in this manner. I am certain that he did not earn all of those glowing reviews if he treated clients like Waikiki said he did. There is so much rivalry and jealousy in this profession anyway that any bad publicity or negative remarks have to be viewed in their proper perspective. I am sure that sometimes this might even lead to a rival escort making up a story to get back at another as has often been pointed out. Also any escort who takes pride in what he does is going to take the time to do the obvious most important thing and that is to take a shower before meeting a client. This sounds very suspicious to me. I don't think that Mario or any other escort would ruin his good reputation like that. The top escorts like Mario who have given of themselves and earned their reputations and provided countless hours of enjoyment for their clients don't deserve public embarrassment like this. One thing that I have learned in life is that you don't humiliate a person in the presence of their friends. Nothing Mario said was hurtful in any way.

[Guest mario-las vegas]

RE: Cologne Application

 

Reading your message only one time I can tell something is wrong with this

post. Your accusastions don't bother me because I know myself how I am

about keeping my body clean. Two or three months ago is a short period of

time and I should remember you or this story that you have posted on this

board. I am not going to attack you in public like you did to me but I am

just going to use some common sense.

I too live on the west side of Las Vegas and as you should know the airport

is not far away. The driving distance to your place would have been very

short even if I had friends to pick up and in the unlikely event that I

didn't have a shower, I don't think that I would have reeked of smoke. In

addition, you are more than welcome to visit my place and you will find

out for yourself if it has an <overwhelming odor of old tobacco>. If I

happen to smoke on occasion I always have plenty of mouthwash in my car.

When I go on a call, I always take a fresh shower before I leave my home.

If I was smelling as bad as you say, why didn't you ask me to take a

shower? You would not have offended me. I hardly think that a 5 or 10

minute drive would have made me reek. When I have to meet someone or pick

someone up at the airport before going on a call which frequently happens

and I don't have time to take a shower at my place, I will never be too

shy to ask to use the shower in my client's place. If after pouring me that

glass of wine you asked me if I was aware of how strong my body odor was,

you don't think that I would be stupid enough NOT to take a shower?

For sure if anybody would tell me if my odor was that offensive to them,

even if I had just had a shower, I would not be stupid and not take another

one. You know my e-mail address and any further comments or complaints can

be made directly to me.

 

mario las vegas

mario-las vegas

[Guest AussieMike]

RE: Cologne Application

 

Personally, I like an escort to have a little of his own man smell (not too much though) rather than taste and smell of Cologne or soap.

 

Could not agree more with Mario here, Cologne tastes bad.

[Guest MattAdams]

RE: Cologne Application

 

Mario is a very special friend of mine and I think there needs to be some clariification on a few things.

 

1. Mario lives about 12 minutes from the airport. If you are client, call him from the gate and he will be there to meet you in baggage claim.

 

2. Mario smokes, but he certainly does not smoke as much as I do.

 

3. I know Mario's routine before seeing a client. Mario is not shy about letting his visitors see everything he does before seeing a client. Trust me, he is thorough.

 

Is Mario the best in European class and style? Probably.He is very enchanting even as a friend. It is not unusual for him to greet visitors with a hard on...he just always seems to be on.

 

Quite frankly is a very unique experience...

 

Matt Adams

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Cologne Application

 

LAST EDITED ON May-30-00 AT 12:44PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-30-00 AT 12:43 PM (EST)

 

Probably one of the dumbest things I can do on this board is come to one of my client's, Wakiki, defense. Doing so could piss of my co-workers, which is not my intent. That said:

 

>1. Mario lives about 12

>minutes from the airport.

>If you are client, call

>him from the gate and

>he will be there to

>meet you in baggage claim.

 

Matt, Waiki did not say Mario was coming from a flight at the airport, but from picking up smoke-smelling visitors of his own at the airport. So, this recommendation is 1. common sense, 2. not-germane.

 

>2. Mario smokes, but he

>certainly does not smoke as

>much as I do.

 

Irrelevant, Waiki did not complain about your habits (or Mario's either). So how much you smoke is neither her nor there. Waikiki simply noted that even as a former smoker who lives among smokers, south of france, he felt overwhelmed by the tobacco odor surrounding Mario during their appointment. He also noted that that odor may not have been Mario's personal stink alone, but also combined with that of his visitors.

 

You obviously didn't read waikiki's post carefully, Matt.

 

>3. I know Mario's routine

>before seeing a client.

>Mario is not shy about

>letting his visitors see everything

>he does before seeing a

>client. Trust me, he

>is thorough.

 

"shy about..seeing" call me naive, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Is he infamous for washing his body in front of clients rather than before he meets them? Well in this case Waiki claims Mario did neither.

 

For those of you who cried "foul" to Waikiki and say his response was mean spirited, let me comment on that. Waikiki reads this post everyday. He has never felt compeled to respond because he knows, as I have yet to learn, that these discussions often turn into childish fights like those between Skeptic and I. Also, he has yet to write a negative review, even though he was obviously dissapointed in Mario to some extent, because he doesn't believe he should fuck with someoene's livelihoood unless it's really necessary.

 

If we pretend for a moment that Waikiki's report of the appointment is the honest one, then perhaps Waikiki felt it too hypocritical of Mario to create a post criticising Clients for stinking of perfume (I personally dislike clients without the commone sense to take a really significant dump before we meet, but that's neither her nor there)

when he met Waikiki reaking of smoke and not willing to clean the stench away, Waikiki had to call "bullshit". In other words if Waikiki is telling the truth, his post was NOT meanspirited, it was actually corrective.

 

If Mario's insistance that he would NEVER go straight from the smoke-filled car to see Waikiki is the real story, then Waikiki's post was mean spirited (and untrue).

 

I can honestly say that I meet so many men that the details of most appointments, especially those of just an hour or two, blend together quite easily. A detail like this would not stick out in my mind. Two to three months ago? No way would I remember. But that's just me.

 

Anyway, I hope I have succeeded in getting both Mario, who seems a wonderful escort, and my good friend Waikiki out of a potential conflict. Take care everyone. -Hagen

[Paul Revere]

RE: Cologne Application

 

I agree with Hagen. I did not think that the post was mean-spirited at all, but just factual. (Of course I have been accused of being mean-spirited myself on this board.) Sometimes some folks don't deal well with honest blunt feedback.

 

I also agree with Mario that the overuse of cologne and the use of bodywashes is a huge turn-off.

 

On the other hand, I believe the smoking issue is very important. Smokers often have no idea how repulsive that smell is to non-smokers. That is why HooBoy includes the question on the review form. Smokers live in the stench, so they don't notice it anymore, but to any non-smker it can be quite offensive. Mouthwash or a mint does not remove the scent from your clothes, your skin, or worst of all, your hair. An escorts should not think of himself as clean for a client if he just uses mouthwash, but the rest of him smells like an old ashtray. If the escort is a smoker he has no way of judging just how badly his hair or clothes smell.

 

I try to stay with escorts who are non-smokers. Most who are truly concerned with their health do not smoke. Smokers don't realize that in addition to the smell, it gives an unappealing yellowish color to your teeth and to your skin. Smoking escorts need not apply for me.

[Guest Jake]

RE: Cologne Application

 

For the record, I feel I deal with blunt honest feedback very well. I also continue to think the post mean-spirited.

[Guest mario-las vegas]

A final comment

 

I think the whole idea of waikiki's was the smoking situation but I am sure

the problem was not with me, if indeed we ever met at all. It is a funny

situation. He might even have me confused with somebody else.

 

A guy last night read the messages on the board and he learned for the

first time that I sometimes smoked. He sent me an e-mail and said Mario, I

had no idea you smoked at all. I never noticed a thing when I was with you.

 

In reality I do not recall ever meeting this guy and like Rod said after a

few months everything is a blur. But just in case we did, I am sorry that I

was not meant to be his chosen one.

 

mario-las vegas

[Bilbo]

RE: A final comment

 

Please pardon me, but to say that something is a "final comment" in front of a queen is like throwing down a gauntlet. Skep has also tried this gambit, as have a few others, and all seems to do is to cause the rest of us to prolong the thread by hook or by crook. (Pun intended, though second part not intended to be taken personally.)

[NY Observer]

RE: A final comment

 

Just to prove the point

[Will]

The Sense of Scents

 

As I am presently in Paris, the traditional home of the world's great perfumes as well as of the world's smelliest people (although it must be said that the French have at last discovered personal hygiene), I canot resist this thread. I'm also a great afficionado of scent. Thus, here is my little contribution to the aesthetics of olfactory seduction:

 

1. Perfume should be to one's toilette what flavoring is to cooking; that is, it should enhance the natural fragrances not compete with or even eliminate them.

 

2. As in adding spice to food, so with scent. The fresher the better, and fresh usually means not only expensive but also hard to find. Almost all the so-called designer scents for men and for women are dreadful concoctions of synthetic fragrances and they stink to high heaven. There is no such thing as a bargain perfume -- for boys as well as for girls -- and there are precious few good ones by comparison with the hundreds of high-priced, sexily-bottled, and expensively marketed junk on the market. No attractive perfume pherome has ever crossed my nostrils that did not come from one of the great perfume houses like Chanel and Hermes in France or Floris and Penhaligan in England. It doesn't matter whether the label says Calvin or Giorgio or Whatever: if it's new and "hot", it stinks.

 

3. Like flavoring, a little goes a long way if its only purpose is to enhance what's already there. Someone wrote about spraying it in the air and walking into it. That's for women. For men, a drop on the breast bone (NOT ABOVE THE NECK) will do you, as well as a quick, light spray into the air over your head, letting it settle in your hair.

 

4. The whole point of wearing scent is to make people (well, men) want to get closer to you. If they can get a big whiff of you from as far away as four or five feet, you're wearing too much. You want to make them ask themselves, "What is that delicious fragrance, and where is it coming from?" And then you want them to follow their noses, directly to you!

 

5. Some people have a naturally fragrant body. They should use nothing at all. Young men should probably use nothing at all.

 

6. The LEAST DESIRABLE effect is the one about which Mario rightly complains. To get a whiff of what I'm talking about, step into any gay bar and take a deep breath. It used to be Jade East, then Aramis, and I don't know what it is now. But it's awful.

 

That's it from the Big Nose in Paris.

[Bilbo]

RE: The Sense of Scents

 

Will, just out of curiosity - You mention freshness and then you say only the expensive old houses can manage to do it for your nose. Have you ever run into a scent that pleased you that turned out to be the wearer's own concoction? If so, did they let you know what was in it? What I'm asking, basically, (and I'm asking your nose, not Martha Stuart) is - is this something that someone can make successfully at home?

[Will]

RE: The Sense of Scents

 

Dear Bilbo, I suppose one could make good scent at home, but the problem is finding the right substance to hold the ethers. Otherwise, those sweet-smelling little molecules just burn right up. The most common substance is oil, as it will absorb them. That's why the peel of a lemon, lime, or orange will smell good on you. So will various fresh herbs -- like mint, thyme, rosemary -- if you crush them and make sure that the juice gets into your skin. You can also buy wonderful essential oils (rose-geranium, for example) and thin them out with alcohol.

 

I myself don't know any subsitute for the great old formulas, probably because they use a lot of precious substances that have to be introduced in miniscule amounts (like civet, which is basically eau de skunk). That's what makes the classic scents so wonderful, their olfactory complexity. They're like huge, complex chords on 19th-century French organ works, all strange bass notes and partials and only slightly audible overtones, way high up there.

 

Of course, a great thing to do is to spread the petals of wilted fragrant roses out on a flat screen (an old window screen will do), along with any other fragrant flowers. When they're good and dry, they make pot-pourri. You can smell like pot-pourri yourself if you simply fill a jar with the dried petals and then let them stand in distilled water for several days. The scent won't last long, but likely it will last long enough to get you your prey!

 

Frankly, I'd rather just go out and buy it! (The scent, I mean. Well, the other is fine if bought with discretion. But like the scent, it's expensive if it's fresh and naturally fragrant.)

 

Love

Will

[Guest Croix]

We started with cologne and added tobacco. Apart from common sense, sometimes people just do not realise things until they are pointed out.

 

When I was 19 I was in the cologne stage. Not only did I use a bit too much, but I also applied it to some inconvenient places. A partner, who was licking his way around, asked me please not to use it any more, because it tasted abominable. My intention was to be sensual, but it turned out to be distasteful. Never did that again -- the cologne I mean. I think that is all Mario was trying to communicate in his original post.

 

As for tobacco smell -- well, I smoke. But there was a time I quit for almost a year. That was when I discovered how fabrics suck up the smell, just like steamy windows attract the tar. And, again, a little goes a long way, particularly given that all senses are heightened as your dick goes up. One can shower, wash hair, and put on fresh clothes (hopefully stored out of the smokey environment) -- but still it takes only one cigarette to start fouling things up. The resin is strong smelling and sticks to your fingers no matter how dainty you try to be. I can do only so much about the house, but as a client, if I have a cigarette while I am waiting, the doorbell is a signal to jump to the listerine, and wash my hands with soap before answering. I know I will want to touch his face, and maybe stick a finger in his mouth (I could digress, but ...). Guests who smoke should probably show their hosts the same courtesy immediately upon arrival. It goes both ways -- why take a chance of turning someone off.

 

Smells make a big difference. Maybe the difference between success and failure. At the risk of adding yet another variable, I will mention deoderant. Some guys don't use it. Maybe it is the cologne syndrome, supposing that someone may want to lap at their armpits. I met with a guy who has reasonably good reviews on this site. Granted it was summer and a heat wave, but when he took off his shirt, I got a whiff that still sticks with me. He is good looking, amiable, and sexy. I would call him again, but every time I think of it, I can still see him lifting his shirt to reveal a terrific torso -- and then the whiff. I call someone else.

 

Sex isn't easy. We can all use some pointing out from time to time.

[Guest Croix]

LAST EDITED ON May-31-00 AT 11:59AM (EST)[p]Double post. Sorry.

[Guest torjon]

Having spent some time yesterday with one of my new favorite guys (Aarronn) I can't help but mention what MY favorite scent is.(He has it always!) It's the most powerful one I know of...and it's available to everyone for just a few minutes of time. Specifically, it's the smell of a man who has just stepped out of the shower....and NOTHING ELSE! There's nothing more powerful than the touch and smell of a healthy, clean male. As clients, we owe nothing less than the same in return.I personally find strong colognes or too much deodorant stomach turning. Less is more for sure, and none is best of all. This thread makes a lot of interesting points, and I bet there is some client/escort re-thinking going on as a result. Great! Anything that makes us take a fresh look at certain things is a good thing, and something so basic as this often goes undiscussed.

I feel bad that the original poster got jumped on, and same for the jumper. Things like taste and smell are often relative, and I do find it hard to believe an experienced escort would ever be so "unprepared". The only thing I notice...quite often...is the smell of tobacco. It doesn't bother me. I smoked for 35 years and I know what addiction is. When I finally beat the habit 7 years ago, I vowed never to become one of those re-formed smokers who acted or felt superior to others about THEIR addiction, and I never have and never will.If I like the guy I'm with he can smoke around me all he wants...that's just fine with me. The choice is mine.

[Guest Daddy-In-Training]

<Growl> Ok Guys tone it down, or you'll be standing in the corner for the next hour. }> Discussion on the subject is ok, even if it get's heated. Taking pot shots and/or finger pointing is not. But on to the subject.

 

I am allergic to MOST colognes and perfumes. The effect is intense and immediate. When it happens, I'm VERY upfront and matter of fact.

 

However, I do have some tact (believe it or not) and will usually suggest a shower together <Yum, Yum :-)>. If they don't go for the shower, I tell them what's going on and if they're not willing, I bid them ado.

 

On the other hand, I do partake of that evil weed (Tobacco, you guys <Sheesh>) and if it is brought up, I am NEVER offended to take care of the problem. I would rather know and take care of the problem then have some cute man suffer through the politeness.

 

For MOST people, smell can the difference between Heaven and Hell in a intimate situation. IMHO, The smell of a freshly bathed or "I've just worked up a honest sweat" is like freshed baked bread first thing in the morning!

 

-- Daddy

[Barry]

Agreed Daddy. We can't forget that this is not only an aesthetic and personal preference issue. There are those with distinct allergies to certain scents and vapors.

 

Additionally, many asthmatics cannot tolerate strong fragrances and they can trigger an attack. Working 30 years in hospitals I know that most restrict patient care staff from wearing cologne or perfume.

 

Whatever the reason....we must consider the other person and most certainly shouldn't "politely" endure an atmosphere that is distasteful or even potential dangerous.