What do you feel the stats are on providers/masseurs who have their own place?

[Mocha]

I've been house hunting wanting to get back to setting up home base incall location. Unfortunately, just keep coming up with no leads.

 

The obstacles standing in the way are 3 fold. Part of the issue lies with the costs to get into (and maintain) a place, then finding one that's comfortable and has all the amenities I want. I've grown away from the efficiencies/mother in law suites, and being inconvenienced due to lacking the amenities I need. I’m in a shared 3/2 home with a yard and garage, but being it’s not my own...I still don’t feel at home.

 

The main part of the equation is making sure that the level of business stays to where it needs to be. In my area, seems most appointments are outcalls to hotels and resorts. I've hosted on several occasions sometimes for 2 or 3 days in a row, but would only get a client or 2 who were already scheduled. I'm actually saving money by not having a place to host, because I rarely get serious incall requests in this area, to make it worth investing money on an incall location. Unless on the off chance, getting a place will gradually build up a local base. With the way these guys carry on, I can't see that happening though.

 

Not to mention, it's also seeming that many "by owner" units are being rented out on air bnb nowadays. Stuff that could be livable, are now replaced with air bnb.

 

I'm sure supplementing with porn/massage helps, and I've posted up on different massage sites, but haven't seen big differences to where I’d want to make a move and settle here yet.

 

Just meeting guys regularly, it’s very rare to find a guy who lives on his own, who isn’t working 2 or 3 jobs. I already know 2 friends paying $1,000 a month for 1 bedroom run of the mill apartments. Places built in the 80s and 90s, old appliances, going for $1,000 a month. That’s not being condescending, but just an example of how much it costs to rent a place within 10 miles from the downtown of some cities.

 

Even if they do have the funds to afford the place, I see their diet and nutrition and it’s usually living out of microwaveables and fast food. The ones who are doing a bit better, usually have 2 or 3 other roommates or ex boyfriend living with them, etc.

 

If anyone is living solo and can maintain it mainly from client appointments, please share! I’ve always had my own place up until last year, and since then...it’s been a uphill battle to get back into another.

Edited July 20, 2018 by Mocha

[BluDay]

I think very little I have to say will be something you have not considered, but I'm adding it for the sake of the thread.

 

My regular has his own home, owns not rents. I know escorting is his only business, and I include his massage clients in that (as he's an erotic, not therapeutic).

 

He's in another city, and I've been able to visit him there a couple of times as I drove through. He usually comes to my home (we know each other's real names, and have been doing business for years). I am glad he has a place I can visit him in my pass-through situations. Since he has no roommates, we don't have to shuttle someone away or deal with the roommate unexpectedly arriving. If the roommate knows the man is escorting, I don't think it would be a problem for the escort, but I can easily see clients not being comfortable with it.

 

Related to this, and something I have not asked him, is what do the neighbors think of a number of one hour visitors you get? Even if a neighbor isn't prying into your business, it is not hard for a neighbor to notice a level of traffic. And a level of traffic you would probably want as a successful escort who hosts as part of their business. This does not count at all any neighbors who actually do pry into your business. Consider what the housewife across the street who just happens to be able to notice the cars in the drive while she passes her window or does her gardening.

 

I find it a bit hot to visit an escort in their own place. It gives a nice sense of intimacy. As has been noted in some other threads, it's better if the place is presentable. I grungy place would be a turnoff for me, as I would wonder how well the escort maintained himself if he lived in filth.

 

I'm considering a house in the suburbs. There would be some differences for apartments, of course. Can the lady downstairs see different guys going up and down all day? Does the doorman ask you for a special "tip", or does the old lady hear a knock on your door and peek out?

 

If you do buy, and give out your address, it can mean that someone can search for the owner and get your legal name. I've never done this outside of some professional work, but it is possible.

[Mocha]

Owning for now is out of the equation. I have friends and have come across people who’ve owned homes, and either they bought it together with someone (and then broke up) or they were fortunate to have a relative who passed down a home to them, thus acquiring it thru the family. Or they had the right helping hand getting into it. It’d be great if buying a home was like buying a car. Cars depreciate. Homes not so much.

 

Neighbors are a concern, but you know...most straight white people (I only say because they happened to have been my neighbors for about 5 years) have no idea about our “lifestyle”. If I was a woman, that would make it more obvious. But as a guy, they are oblivious. I lived in a weird setup where each condominium corridor had only 1 flight of stairs and 2 neighboring doors. So if the neighbors were leaving and the client was coming up, they would be forced to run into each other. I out-stayed 2 young white couples, 2 years each. However, part of me did feel like they might have had some reservations about unknown guys popping up to my place at random. I couldn’t tell if they moved because of not having central air, or because of the occasional traffic.

 

At the same time, that’s why all places I’ve lived...I deal with neighbors sparingly and cordially. I hung out with some briefly and would small talk here and there, but no deep conversations and discussions that didn’t pertain to them.

 

That’s the other reason for my increase pickiness when choosing a place. Trying to blend privacy, affordability, and convenience all in one and not pay $1,000 a month for it.

 

 

I think very little I have to say will be something you have not considered, but I'm adding it for the sake of the thread.

 

My regular has his own home, owns not rents. I know escorting is his only business, and I include his massage clients in that (as he's an erotic, not therapeutic).

 

He's in another city, and I've been able to visit him there a couple of times as I drove through. He usually comes to my home (we know each other's real names, and have been doing business for years). I am glad he has a place I can visit him in my pass-through situations. Since he has no roommates, we don't have to shuttle someone away or deal with the roommate unexpectedly arriving. If the roommate knows the man is escorting, I don't think it would be a problem for the escort, but I can easily see clients not being comfortable with it.

 

Related to this, and something I have not asked him, is what do the neighbors think of a number of one hour visitors you get? Even if a neighbor isn't prying into your business, it is not hard for a neighbor to notice a level of traffic. And a level of traffic you would probably want as a successful escort who hosts as part of their business. This does not count at all any neighbors who actually do pry into your business. Consider what the housewife across the street who just happens to be able to notice the cars in the drive while she passes her window or does her gardening.

 

I find it a bit hot to visit an escort in their own place. It gives a nice sense of intimacy. As has been noted in some other threads, it's better if the place is presentable. I grungy place would be a turnoff for me, as I would wonder how well the escort maintained himself if he lived in filth.

 

I'm considering a house in the suburbs. There would be some differences for apartments, of course. Can the lady downstairs see different guys going up and down all day? Does the doorman ask you for a special "tip", or does the old lady hear a knock on your door and peek out?

 

If you do buy, and give out your address, it can mean that someone can search for the owner and get your legal name. I've never done this outside of some professional work, but it is possible.

[Ryan Roman]

In my humble opinion... Given what's happening throughout North America (U.S. and Canada), it's going to be tough to find a place less than $900 a month that you find suitable as an escort. My current apartment in a 1931 apartment building is $865 a month. Affordable housing is becoming a real issues throughout the U.S. and Canada. You may find that any apartment you select will have a couple of downsides that hopefully you can live with... Good luck hunting!

Owning for now is out of the equation. I have friends and have come across people who’ve owned homes, and either they bought it together with someone (and then broke up) or they were fortunate to have a relative who passed down a home to them, thus acquiring it thru the family. Or they had the right helping hand getting into it. It’d be great if buying a home was like buying a car. Cars depreciate. Homes not so much.

 

Neighbors are a concern, but you know...most straight white people (I only say because they happened to have been my neighbors for about 5 years) have no idea about our “lifestyle”. If I was a woman, that would make it more obvious. But as a guy, they are oblivious. I lived in a weird setup where each condominium corridor had only 1 flight of stairs and 2 neighboring doors. So if the neighbors were leaving and the client was coming up, they would be forced to run into each other. I out-stayed 2 young white couples, 2 years each. However, part of me did feel like they might have had some reservations about unknown guys popping up to my place at random. I couldn’t tell if they moved because of not having central air, or because of the occasional traffic.

 

At the same time, that’s why all places I’ve lived...I deal with neighbors sparingly and cordially. I hung out with some briefly and would small talk here and there, but no deep conversations and discussions that didn’t pertain to them.

 

That’s the other reason for my increase pickiness when choosing a place. Trying to blend privacy, affordability, and convenience all in one and not pay $1,000 a month for it.

[Mocha]

In my humble opinion... Given what's happening throughout North America (U.S. and Canada), it's going to be tough to find a place less than $900 a month that you find suitable as an escort. My current apartment in a 1931 apartment building is $865 a month. Affordable housing is becoming a real issues throughout the U.S. and Canada. You may find that any apartment you select will have a couple of downsides that hopefully you can live with... Good luck hunting!

 

Hey there, thanks. Yeah that is true. I’ve spent the weekend looking through listings, and most everything is $900+ in Orlando area. The places that are lower are basically dumps about an hour outside of town. And it goes back to what I was saying: why would I want to get into debt renting anywhere in Florida, when half the time, the requests I get for appointments are bullshit, bullshit, bullshit and trying to get them to follow thru is like herding cats.

 

I’m almost contemplating to just give away most of my things in storage I’ve acquired to consignment and just living out of hotels and air bnb spots and just go city to city and only come home to relatives every couple of months. I’m just having a hard time finding apartments, and it seems I only make the amount of clients I’m happy with, when I’m traveling state to state.

[LJNYC83]

Hey there, thanks. Yeah that is true. I’ve spent the weekend looking through listings, and most everything is $900+ in Orlando area. The places that are lower are basically dumps about an hour outside of town. And it goes back to what I was saying: why would I want to get into debt renting anywhere in Florida, when half the time, the requests I get for appointments are bullshit, bullshit, bullshit and trying to get them to follow thru is like herding cats.

 

I’m almost contemplating to just give away most of my things in storage I’ve acquired to consignment and just living out of hotels and air bnb spots and just go city to city and only come home to relatives every couple of months. I’m just having a hard time finding apartments, and it seems I only make the amount of clients I’m happy with, when I’m traveling state to state.

 

I’ve moved about four times since I turned 21. Every time I wonder why I have so much stuff. I’ve now gotten rid of pretty much every type of “collectors” thing that just moved with me from place to place. Wasted space. I’m good.

 

Next time I move, I plan to just have clothes and some furniture. And if it were up to me, I’d just move the clothes.

[gallahadesquire]

... like herding cats.

 

[Mocha]

I’ve moved about four times since I turned 21. Every time I wonder why I have so much stuff. I’ve now gotten rid of pretty much every type of “collectors” thing that just moved with me from place to place. Wasted space. I’m good.

 

Next time I move, I plan to just have clothes and some furniture. And if it were up to me, I’d just move the clothes.

 

I just hate the idea of having to move someplace else and start all over again. Whenever I do get a place, atleast I’ll have everything ready. But I’m still “undeclared” on where to next settle and at this point I don’t think it’s anywhere. Half of me is tied to one state, the other half is trying to set up in another. But whenever I consider trying to settle back in Florida, I get this feeling over me that it’s just not where I want to be.

 

I’m trying so hard to “want” to settle in Florida, but how can I when I have to deal with 10 people faking like they want appointments, before I even get 1. What’s going to happen if I get a place here (which I likely won’t). I’ll have to go back to regular work and most likely I wont have enough time to stay in the business and deal with the same fucking shit after a long day of work.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Mocha

[rvwnsd]

Hey there, thanks. Yeah that is true. I’ve spent the weekend looking through listings, and most everything is $900+ in Orlando area. The places that are lower are basically dumps about an hour outside of town. And it goes back to what I was saying: why would I want to get into debt renting anywhere in Florida, when half the time, the requests I get for appointments are bullshit, bullshit, bullshit and trying to get them to follow thru is like herding cats....

 

The other thing you have to consider when renting or buying is the need to create a space your clients will want to visit. You don't want to be the escort who lives in a sketchy part of town whose clients are afraid to step out if their cars. Sadly, there are fewer and fewer affordable places conducive to conducting an escorting practice.

 

...I’m almost contemplating...just living out of hotels and air bnb spots and just go city to city and only come home to relatives every couple of months. I’m just having a hard time finding apartments, and it seems I only make the amount of clients I’m happy with, when I’m traveling state to state.

 

Makes a lot of sense to me! You've lived a lot of places, so why not live temporarily in a lot more places? If you get to the point where you find a place or places you think could be home you can always look at apartments during down time.

 

 

...I’m almost contemplating...to just give away most of my things in storage I’ve acquired to consignment...

 

I’ve moved about four times since I turned 21. Every time I wonder why I have so much stuff. I’ve now gotten rid of pretty much every type of “collectors” thing that just moved with me from place to place. Wasted space. I’m good.

 

Next time I move, I plan to just have clothes and some furniture. And if it were up to me, I’d just move the clothes.

 

My move from San Diego to Phoenix was supposed to occur in Spring, 2017 and instead took place over two days after Christmas, 2016. Essentially, everything was packed and stored to be gone through after settling into a place. After moving into my current apartment in March, 2017 I started the slow process of going through stuff. I've made incredible progress (60% of my stuff has been donated or thrown away) and still have a ways to go.

[gallahadesquire]

In the same vein:

 

 

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[Mocha]

The other thing you have to consider when renting or buying is the need to create a space your clients will want to visit. You don't want to be the escort who lives in a sketchy part of town whose clients are afraid to step out if their cars. Sadly, there are fewer and fewer affordable places conducive to conducting an escorting practice.

 

 

 

Makes a lot of sense to me! You've lived a lot of places, so why not live temporarily in a lot more places? If you get to the point where you find a place or places you think could be home you can always look at apartments during down time.

 

Oh of course, hell no. And in Florida, you don't want to live someplace shitty because it'll likely be frequented with roaches or police activity. That's part of what I liked about out west and north: you could stay at a low budget hotel for the night, but never worry about bugs.

 

The thing about "temporarily" living places, is it can depend. It's not as easy as it sounds. Temporary places can add up. I did temporarily live in Phoenix from November to January this year. But by the time January came around, I was more than ready to leave. But that was the perk: when I was ready to leave, I left and didn't have to stick around and deal with the bullshit of having to endure having only 1 client every few days. I can just leave and go to the next location where I'm more in demand. Versus being stuck in a town where people want to show their ass and get on my last, when they start being idiotic and make setting up appointments a thing of great annoyance.