You obviously didn't understand what I mean by manners/etiquette therefor missed my point. Sometimes I forget we don't all have the same background and schooling in ways of the world. Alas, I'm a dinosaur doomed for extinction with my fellow peers. Ultimately most feel it doesn't really matter if he counts his money or not in front of the client these days, so I guess it doesn't. Customs and values change. I actually offer him a face-saving route by telling him when he picks up his fee "You may count it" so he feels comfortable doing so. Surprisingly most times they don't and trust me! As I mentioned before in another post, it is low, of poor taste and ill-bred to shortchange any man for any reason when a price has been agreed upon. I have no more to add to this subject. Feel free to keep beating a dead horse.