Rocky93

Not sure where you live, but around me there are lots and lots of LGBT 12 step programs/meetings including of course AA and many many others. Free, and if you feel you're in a bigoted meeting or uncomfortable, move on to Another group and meeting!!!

AA and 12 Step Meetings are not that dreadful!!! They have Gay AA and AA for LGBTG addicts!!

This is a thread to continue the discussion of constructive ways to respond to addiction in general, previously carried on in the thread called Thoughts on Sex Addiction. Please keep postings respectful. Please recognize the limits of your own knowledge and the existence of valid perspectives other than your own.
 
While I've been in therapy forever, I have never participated in twelve-step or any other form of addiction treatment. My familiarity is limited to what I've picked up by growing up with an alcoholic mother and by living 45 years in the Gay community. And of course from what I've learned in the prior thread.
 
Let me propose a consensus position as a possible framework for continued discussion. Addiction is powerful, constructive, and wily. There are no guaranteed cures. Treatments which work for some people may not work for others.
 
Twelve-step can be helpful for some people. Important elements for some people may include fellowship and an accepting environment. Some AA meetings may emphasize teachings and perspectives that can go beyond recovery to wisdom, as illustrated in the book "One Breath at a Time." On the other hand, many meetings are dogmatic and, however compassionate they may be about addiction, are mercilessly bigoted about other things, including notably sex and sexual orientation. Participation in these meetings can be deadly, particularly for LGBTQ people in general - and perhaps for escorts and clients in particular.
 
Other forms of treatment, including notably medication and various modalities of talk therapy, can also be helpful for some people. These forms may be more easily studied and quantified than 12-step, but analysis and research remain preliminary, there is no consensus on a best-practices, and good models for studying addiction and treatment are elusive.

Although I understand some of the sentiment, I of course take issue with some of the word choice.
 
I'm reminded of some moments I've had over the years working Adonis wherein a porn star is marketed in the e-mails with such sizzle but doesn't impress me and/or personally makes some grand pronouncement "backstage" about how much money he makes in porn and/or makes a condescending remark about (a) customer(s). I think to myself, "Wasn't I just right next to you a few moments ago doing lapdances for customers?" In other words, if you're really all that what are you doin' here?
 
If this thread is indeed a pigsty sh*t show of "pathetic" "lowlives" and "losers," it sure looks like you're not doing much to raise the level of oinkin' goin' on at the trough. If you're gonna use that kinda language, I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like a little edification as to which part of the David Geffen Medical School campus is named after you. To paraphrase Queen Latifah's great track "Name Callin'" from the Set It Off soundtrack, I'd like to have "handled this like ladies," but you of course didn't deign to respond to the PM I sent you after some of your remarks in a thread about "my boy" Ryan Steel.

Geez, and all I wanted to do when I started this thread was maybe hire this guy - and for that I am called a wacko by the guy who calls this "ex" escort, "babe"
 
So, if he doesn't escort anymore and he is your "babe," are we to assume that we should be buying house warming gifts??
 
Also, I for one, never talked about him in any way other than desiresome. However, I do not want my Easter bunny in a pot of boiling water so I will therefore declare all interest in him null and void!!

Geez, and all I wanted to do when I started this thread was maybe hire this guy - and for that I am called a wacko by the guy who calls this "ex" escort, "babe"
 
So, if he doesn't escort anymore and he is your "babe," are we to assume that we should be buying house warming gifts??
 
Also, I for one, never talked about him in any way other than desiresome. However, I do not want my Easter bunny in a pot of boiling water so I will therefore declare all interest in him null and void!!

I don't consider it a review, I consider a response to my questions!!
 
When people ask for 411 on a person, I don't think they are looking for their hair color and zodiac sign, I hope they are asking for their experience with them and other information that helps someone like me determine whether or not to pursue this someone as a hire.
 
It was much appreciated!

I don't consider it a review, I consider a response to my questions!!
 
When people ask for 411 on a person, I don't think they are looking for their hair color and zodiac sign, I hope they are asking for their experience with them and other information that helps someone like me determine whether or not to pursue this someone as a hire.
 
It was much appreciated!

Talking about most of them lol
I actually like the guy

No, I don't think anyone has truly terrible to him, directly, as a provider. Agreed we might be terrible to this seeming conflagration with the Seaworld. (a cluster before with others)
 
@NJmusclelover , you might want to blame the indicated ire on the sugar-daddy....

BINGO!!!
 
Oftentimes, an overly enthusiastic client can tarnish the reputation of an escort/model by their absurd behavior. See above posts, as well other threads, for examples.

Or grows weary of Seaworld...........
 
I made it small so I won't get hollered at

LOL I kinda thought that last post prior to yours, NJMuscle, was more critical of a/the fickle client than NT/GC.

Did you make him an offer he couldn't refuse???

Did you make him an offer he couldn't refuse???

But he's still quite a topic for conversation

Reese is amazing. Huge and a great guy and no clock watcher there.
I have no doubt Game changer is fantastic. 2 amazing choices.
You might add Jed to this list. Just had a great weekend with him. Jed and Reese 5 star. Good luck

@BigRic
Thanks. I read between the lines! Your opinion matters. Really like what you have to say when you contribute! I notice you are coming to (or contemplating) Philly. I will have to keep an eye open on that and might just hit you up!!

avidar I have no knowledge of. reese I have never met in person, but he is a friend of gamechanger and ryan. gamechanger and ryan I can't recommend to you enough, both are heavenly. all these guys have real muscle, while colton is a very different story, his body is filled with implants to appear bigger.

I enjoy these Gamechanger threads because they invariably scale new heights of absurdity.

I appreciate the information. Glad he was good, but may not be the experience I am looking for at $400

I appreciate the information. Glad he was good, but may not be the experience I am looking for at $400

I don't consider it a review, I consider a response to my questions!!
 
When people ask for 411 on a person, I don't think they are looking for their hair color and zodiac sign, I hope they are asking for their experience with them and other information that helps someone like me determine whether or not to pursue this someone as a hire.
 
It was much appreciated!

I don't consider it a review, I consider a response to my questions!!
 
When people ask for 411 on a person, I don't think they are looking for their hair color and zodiac sign, I hope they are asking for their experience with them and other information that helps someone like me determine whether or not to pursue this someone as a hire.
 
It was much appreciated!

I don't think anyone is bad mouthing. That was certainly not my intention in this thread. Sorry you take it that way. Don't know why the pictures or where they are or what they are supposed to mean. I truly hope that Gamechanger is not the one you are referring to as babe. That would take all the attractiveness away from him. I truly hope it is your child to whom you refer.