preppystudent

Pictures either aren't real or are really outdated.  Nice guy but no real skills and I just wasn't into it at all.  Won't repeat.

I've never taken the position that people should be ridiculed for taking whatever precautions the personally would prefer - as long as those people aren't advocating policies that dictate the precautions everyone else should take.  Certainly there is *some* Covid risk involved for fully vaccinated people, but that risk is exceedingly low, so one person's personal decision to be extremely careful is all well and good as long as they aren't taking the position that everyone should follow their example.  ETA: If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying you fall into the "everyone else must do as I say" category - if others were following your lead, I wouldn't have any issue with that whatsoever.

If you actually do some analysis of the data you will find that these huge numbers of people who "died from Covid-19" are part of the usual death rate statistics for the US.   There never was any massive increase in deaths as your ever-over-reaching Government wants you to believe. The uptick in death rate due to Covid leaves us with the same total death rate as 1984 in the US. A year that had no pandemic and the numbers are still UNDER every year prior to 1984. So as they say: "don't believe everything you hear".  Heart disease is still the #1 killer in the US. Not Covid 19

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

I've never taken the position that people should be ridiculed for taking whatever precautions the personally would prefer - as long as those people aren't advocating policies that dictate the precautions everyone else should take.  Certainly there is *some* Covid risk involved for fully vaccinated people, but that risk is exceedingly low, so one person's personal decision to be extremely careful is all well and good as long as they aren't taking the position that everyone should follow their example.  ETA: If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying you fall into the "everyone else must do as I say" category - if others were following your lead, I wouldn't have any issue with that whatsoever.

I've never taken the position that people should be ridiculed for taking whatever precautions the personally would prefer - as long as those people aren't advocating policies that dictate the precautions everyone else should take.  Certainly there is *some* Covid risk involved for fully vaccinated people, but that risk is exceedingly low, so one person's personal decision to be extremely careful is all well and good as long as they aren't taking the position that everyone should follow their example.  ETA: If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying you fall into the "everyone else must do as I say" category - if others were following your lead, I wouldn't have any issue with that whatsoever.

I've never taken the position that people should be ridiculed for taking whatever precautions the personally would prefer - as long as those people aren't advocating policies that dictate the precautions everyone else should take.  Certainly there is *some* Covid risk involved for fully vaccinated people, but that risk is exceedingly low, so one person's personal decision to be extremely careful is all well and good as long as they aren't taking the position that everyone should follow their example.  ETA: If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying you fall into the "everyone else must do as I say" category - if others were following your lead, I wouldn't have any issue with that whatsoever.

I've never taken the position that people should be ridiculed for taking whatever precautions the personally would prefer - as long as those people aren't advocating policies that dictate the precautions everyone else should take.  Certainly there is *some* Covid risk involved for fully vaccinated people, but that risk is exceedingly low, so one person's personal decision to be extremely careful is all well and good as long as they aren't taking the position that everyone should follow their example.  ETA: If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying you fall into the "everyone else must do as I say" category - if others were following your lead, I wouldn't have any issue with that whatsoever.

Sometimes I worry that we as a society have lost all ability to reason but the response to my post (and lack of support for the science-denying and logic-free post above mine) has been encouraging. 

If you are vaccinated, who cares if other people are vaccinated or not??  The chance of you being vaccinated, getting Covid, AND having significant illness as a result is essentially zero - you are more likely to die in a car crash driving to the massage.  And the chance of you being vaccinated, getting Covid AND passing Covid on to someone who isn't vaccinated (for a reason other than just their personal choice) is also basically zero.  This is all a risk allocation issue - you can't completely eliminate all risk in life.

Sometimes I worry that we as a society have lost all ability to reason but the response to my post (and lack of support for the science-denying and logic-free post above mine) has been encouraging. 

I actually think the reason is quite "explicable"........ but I'll leave that to everyone's interpretation.

"the county's COVID-19 death rate among the fully vaccinated is 0.00036%., said Los Angeles County Department of Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer. The numbers show that coronavirus vaccines are proving to be extremely effective, she said." 
This from Los Angeles.. Gives further proof that dying from covid after vaccination is an infinitesimally small chance. 
Providing further comfort is this quote from Rochelle Walensky of the CDC,
" The emerging data confirms what many of us thought would be the case—that not only do the vaccines stop symptomatic COVID, but they also make it highly unlikely that someone can even be infected at all." 
In additional good news, the 8 members of the New York Yankees that tested positive after vaccination apparently have zero symptoms. 
I think it's safe to say that the" Follow the Science " crowd for some inexplicable reason is going against their better judgment. 
 
https://patch.com/california/los-angeles/933-vaccinated-angelenos-test-positive-covid-19-12-died

Sometimes I worry that we as a society have lost all ability to reason but the response to my post (and lack of support for the science-denying and logic-free post above mine) has been encouraging. 

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

If you are vaccinated, who cares if other people are vaccinated or not??  The chance of you being vaccinated, getting Covid, AND having significant illness as a result is essentially zero - you are more likely to die in a car crash driving to the massage.  And the chance of you being vaccinated, getting Covid AND passing Covid on to someone who isn't vaccinated (for a reason other than just their personal choice) is also basically zero.  This is all a risk allocation issue - you can't completely eliminate all risk in life.

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Well since you feel the need to be condescending, and clearly don't understand the many logical fallacies of your post, I'll try to spell it out for you.  When I said the chance of contracting covid AND having significant illness, I emphasized the "AND" by capitalizing it precisely for people like you.  If you wish to avoid all risk of contracting Covid, please, by all means, don't ever leave your house, but if you want to enjoy your life and eliminate the risk of experiencing significant illness resulting from a Covid infection, then get vaccinated and live your life.  Up to you.  I
And as you note, there were 38,000 car crash deaths last year - would you be so kind as to inform me how many fully VACCINATED people have died from Covid in the US this year?  Is there even 1 documented case of that?  That is the accurate comparison - not comparing car crash deaths to total Covid deaths by all people, whether vaccinated or not.  Of course they are different - that's the point of a comparison.  You don't "compare" two things that are identical.  My point is that while we do practice risk reduction and common sense when it comes to driving cars (see, eg, seat belts, speed limits, etc.), we don't try to eliminate all risk or even adopt measures that would still allow us to drive cars and would result in fewer deaths (eg, 30 mph speed limits everywhere), because that wouldn't be practical.  So I'd suggest you practice some common sense before lecturing me on the topic...  I'm not going to tell you not to wear a mask, but please don't pretend your decision to keep wearing one is rooted in reality.
And I'll have you know I was a finance major and graduated from one of the top 3 law schools in the country. So I'd be happy to do a side-by-side comparison of our education...

Covid-phobia is a really thing. Sadly, it is rooted only on anxiety, and not necessarily on reality.