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Even better! I’m fairly new to bottoming so that’s perfect! 

NATHAN, I believe is who you are seeking 

I can confirm as well that no matter how big you are, Nathan and Oliver can handle it comfortably,no need to worry about their massage.

I can confirm as well that no matter how big you are, Nathan and Oliver can handle it comfortably,no need to worry about their massage.

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.

My partner also had  Nathan and he's bigger than I am and had a great experience. 

Thank you! That’s two for Nathan so I think I’m going with him. 

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.

I'm a bigger guy 240 pounds and have had great masssages from Nathan and Andre. Nathan had firmer pressure. Oliver was also good. Hope this helps. 

I’m thinking of booking with Nathan, Andre, or Patrick. Would love to know about your experiences with them. 

Alex is another therapist I’ve been thinking about trying at least once. I’m kind of surprised he’s been working there for a while but doesn’t get mentioned much. And for this week, I’m thinking maybe Andy, Billy, or one of those three.
 

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I get the pricing point,it is on the lower side but comparing it directly to RM isn’t really fair. Most RM therapists work independently, have private rooms, and can offer more flexibility, which is why their rates are higher.
TWS is a spa, so their pricing has to stay in line with other spas (and it’s still cheaper than many). Plus, their clientele is broader,last time I was there, I saw an older couple and a few women waiting too.
That said, I do agree they could raise prices a bit so therapists can earn more and things feel more balanced.

Thanks for saying this @Tactile Daddy. 
I always take into account the time and effort that is put into a massage, with or without any extras. As a matter of fact I never go expecting extras, I just go with the expectation of having a solid massage and whatever happens beyond that happens.
Instead of trying to figure out an amount to tip, I always come prepared to give $100/60 min, $150/90 min, and $200/120 min no matter what. I think this is reasonable for the service they're delivering, and it's still less than what alot of independent MT's ask for on MassuerFinder or RentMassuer. I've never had a complaint or received any attitude about my tip, if anything they express alot of gratitude and I tend to get excellent services whenever I see them again. 

Tipping $20–$30 for a 2hr. massage is already low. Some therapists here have even received just $15 for 2hr.One client comes in monthly and rotates between therapists.
Not sure if the spa can refuse clients like this, but I feel bad for them.

Tipping $20–$30 for a 2hr. massage is already low. Some therapists here have even received just $15 for 2hr.One client comes in monthly and rotates between therapists.
Not sure if the spa can refuse clients like this, but I feel bad for them.

Tipping $20–$30 for a 2hr. massage is already low. Some therapists here have even received just $15 for 2hr.One client comes in monthly and rotates between therapists.
Not sure if the spa can refuse clients like this, but I feel bad for them.

I have been to TWS multiple times and have experience with many of their therapists.
while I agree with much of your response, your statement, “especially if there are extras involved, you should tip them even more.” The tips you recommended based on time of appointment don’t reflect an appropriate tip for basic service with no extras, at least based on the starting price. A 50% tip is not the usual amount for most other massage places. 
 
The issue lies in the starting price. The owner or therapists set their starting price very low compared to normal RM rates, and they are taking a risk setting that price so low, that they’re likely going to get customers who see a deal and want to jump on it or attract patrons who normally can’t afford a massage that we all enjoy. That’s a risk that they are taking and they should understand that and be okay with it. If they are not, and they get offended when tips are on the low end, they should increase their prices where they won’t be offended if they get a smaller tip. 
 
With that said, I’ve also had many massages with providers on RM, and understand the value that I get when going to TWS. 
I’ve had 2 90-min massages with therapist where no extras were involved, and I tipped $50. 
 
I’ve had many more “special” 90-Min massages with therapists and I tipped $100 or more. Especially since the therapists at TWS actually give a better therapeutic massages than most on RM or MF. While many aren’t formally trained, they do learn quickly and get markedly better with time. Even at a $200 all-in price point, I think most of can agree that is a steal. 
 
I’ll be heading over there tomorrow and am looking forward to another great massage. 

I’ve been following this group for a while and finally wanted to share my thoughts. I’ve been to this place, tried most of the therapists, and also met some from RM I usually tip around $60–$100 for 60 mins depending on the service i get.
I was honestly surprised to see some negative comments trying to ruin therapists’ reputations just because expectations weren’t met or someone had a bad experience. If you’re going to share that, you should also mention how long your session was, what you expected (normal massage or extra), and how much you tipped.
I really feel bad for the therapists. They get criticized publicly but don’t get a chance to defend themselves. If you’re unsure about tipping, just check RM and you will get the idea how much should you tip them
I spoke with  a therapist, and he was very open about his experience. After hearing stuffs. It honestly made me feel bad. He said he often gets tips like $20–$30 even with extra service. He was not happy BUT still has to smile and stay professional. If he asks for more, he risks getting accused online of upselling. If he shows he’s unhappy, people review him as rude or arrogant.
All I want to say is just put yourself in their position. Would you be happy doing that work for that amount of money?

I think an appropriate tip should be as follows:
60 min 35+
90 min 50+
120 min 70+
If you tip any less than this I think it’s quite unacceptable. Being a massage therapist is a very physically demanding job they deserve to receive a fair and appropriate tip. Especially if there are extras involved, you should tip them even more. I’ve heard that some people leave really poor tips, which is not okay. Don’t forget, this is Los Angeles not Bangkok  the cost of living is very different.

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.

Billy advertises a base rate of $130 for a 2 hour session. I think we can all agree that this is an exceptional and low rate even for a one hour massage from most providers on Rent Masseur. 
The "rudeness and storming off" is subjective. But it's not like the providers here don't know that they are priced well below their competitive set in Los Angeles. It behooves the the client to be mindful of that, especially with longer sessions and and "extra service." I don't agree with the behavior that the client says occurred, but a fair amount of grace should be given to Billy, was the client aggressive? Wanted more service than Billy was willing to provide?  Let's be honest that was a poor tip, regardless. This is Los Angeles, not Bangkok 

I’d like to share a quick thought. Recently, I tried sessions with two new therapists, and it gave me some perspective.
It turns out that the spa owners and staff do read the posts in this forum. When it comes to massage quality or communication with clients, they genuinely appreciate feedback and are willing to improve. However, there have been some negative comments that aren’t entirely accurate, and unfortunately, they don’t have a way to publicly respond or clarify those points.
Some of the therapists have also expressed that they would prefer discussions here to focus on the massage itself, rather than other topics. They’ve mentioned feeling uncomfortable and even a bit unsafe,knowing that this is a public forum that anyone, including outside parties or authorities, can access.
For anything beyond general massage experiences, it might be more appropriate to discuss privately via DM. There have also been situations where clients come in expecting specific things because they read about it here, and then try to direct the therapist to do exactly that. It’s important to remember that every therapist has their own boundaries and professional choices, and it’s completely their right to decide what they are or aren’t comfortable offering.
Let’s be respectful of that and avoid putting pressure on them.