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Well i guess I have to chime in too. He is certainly someone I would like to touched and be touched by. So many from Eastern bloc countries, I guess I've seen too many movies about Russian mobsters or something, but when I see a hunk like that and they are from those countries, I get nervous. I have always been more attracted to the mid west corn fed all american look, and often these guys are the closest to that fantasy that I can find in NYC these days. If anyone takes the plunge, I'd be happy to hear about it too, privately or publicly.

Just for clarification..... The massage isn't sensual or interactive, but it has HE. Is he at least friendly? Is there any mutual touch? PM if you'd prefer.

Wow. Love this forum. I just saw his ad and came here to ask if anyone had experienced him. Hope someone will respond with info. Like I said, I love this forum.

Wow. Love the vid. Looks like the ideal massage to me......

The Ryan I knew, lived way uptown in NYC. Way uptown. Could be the same guy? Anyone been to his apartment?

I'm most curious about Ryan. A few years ago I used to see a masseur named Ryan. He was very very discreet, only could contact him by email as I recall, but was nice, gave a pretty good massage, and supplied a HE. I was kind of a regular for a while but then with work etc I kind of lost touch with him. I believe at the time I had found him through infrequent ads on CL. Over time he passed out of my awareness. Then one day I was looking at CL and there was an ad for a masseur with no name attached, but two of the pictures I recognized from Ryan's old ads. I responded to his ad asking if he was the same person I had seen years ago giving just enough info so that he knew who I was. He never responded. However, when I learned that you could google pictures I found that some of the other pictures in the ad were of models etc. So then I doubted that the person advertising was the Ryan I knew. Now these same pictures are appearing in his rentmen ad. The picture with the t shirt and the one of him standing under the trees were the ones he used on CL when I met him. But a couple of the other pics appeared in the newer posting which I googled and found not to be him. Overall a bit confusing. I tried googling his pics on the rentmen sight, but right-clicking doesn't bring up google option...so I don't know how to vet the pics this masseur is using.

Such a confusing amount of answers it seems. Is it possible that now there is some sensuality in his message?

I would be interested to hear more, I guess. But the location is a turn off for me...too far to travel and won't pay the travel fee.

Well, in reading their massage types offered, lomi lomi is listed, which if I understand correctly involves using the whole body to massage an individual. I've noticed a number of m4m advertise lomi lomi but don't seem to know what it is. And I too do hope that someone will take one for the team and report back.

This may be more about legit massage - where no advertising or discussion of "mutual touch"has been discussed - but I thought I'd add to the general direction of the conversation:

 

My standard MO is the be laying face down, have my hands on the side of the table, cupping around the edge. This just feels most natural for me - very gently gripping around the table's edge. Otherwise my hands feel almost unconformable open palms flat down, or palms flat up.

 

I must admit i do this for every massage pretty much, even at full on legit spa/hotel/resort places. And even if my hands are under a drape. You can kinda deduce where the masseur is most of the time, and I may ever so gently adjust my hands here and there if i feel it may position them a bit closer to the masseur's crotch. Then it's up to the masseur to drop some hints. Sometimes it's only 10 minutes in and I'm feeling a throbbing bulge directly on my hand. .OK.. .that's a VERY clear message. I've had massages where it never went any further than that. I feel his cock- through his pants, .,rub it, massage it... but he goes no further.. still i like that connection and intimacy (especially as part of a good massage in the first place - it's a small but very nice extra) I;d actually rather be rubbing his dick here and there while he gives a good massage, and have nothing else. than the sitaution where there is NO intimate touch for 55 minutes, then a very perfunctory hand job at the end. .that feels so disconnected and un-nurturing.

 

Often the crotch-brush-against-the-hand is the first signal form the masseur to hte client that "yes, we can a do a bit more " and most of the time it proceeds to at least a happy ending for me. If the masseur grabs my ass or dick, or whips his dick out, then I feel comfortable reciprocating, and of course backing off if he indicates it's off limits.

 

It's a bit of a dance. .especially at legit places.. he's kinda cautious about crossing a line, and I'm making sure I'm not being a hands perv of a client. But it's a dance I love and I admit, even someitmes contacting a guy on massagem4m or masseurfinder, I WONT have an explicit converstaion because I want to enjoy the testing of boundaries.

 

 

 

Every now and them a masseur will deftly take my hand and place it next to my body, AWAY from the edge of the table. I may gradually work my hand out to the side again, and if he puts it back next to my body a second time. I interpret that as OK.. message received. Nothing extra at all.. and that's OK

 

Again, this is for legit places. If a masseur ADVERTISES mutual touch, then i feel you should be comfortable gently and respectfully initiating contact and seeing if it's permitted (some mutual touch MUST be permitted) or if he terminates the contact.

 

I'd be interested in others' input here.

This is one of the best descriptions of procedure for a possible but unknown erotic massage I've ever read. Could be a handbook on how to proceed as far as I'm concerned.

I understand the frustration with the not knowing unless you have lots of money to spend and find the unknown "will he or won't he" erotic. However, aside from all the speculation, is it me or is 150 a pretty high price for therapeutic even if he is on top of you?

Love that " Cam Cannot" I admit to a certain disappointment. The ad led me to think we were on the verge of a discovery. Great thing about this forum.

Penis size not important to me, but don't like to be hustled. Sorry it's seems negative toward him. He sure looks good. But I'm convinced to pass.

Ah the strains of our puritan past that still run deep in our society. It's this ambivalence about sex in our culture which makes communication so difficult in all interpersonal interactions. Would that we could all state our desires openly and without consequence as long as no one is harmed psychologically or physically. Would that there were no guilt or possible punishment in asking for pleasure. It's the dance around what one is really looking for with a massage that makes this exchange so fraught with tension but so rewarding when your uniquely individual needs or desires are met. I think this topic always merits and is rewarded with interesting views and ideas. Thanks.

Bothered?...Why? It has happened to me (and not once!) that a scheduled sensual (or even just therapeutic) massage turned into a sexual experience. I never forced the masseur(s) to have an erection, suck my dick, finger me, kiss me, rim me, put their cock in my mouth and/or fuck me. I don't get yr point.

I agree. I always start out with the idea of an erotic massage. It's something particular that I like. An the anticipation of what might happen is part of the process at least for me. And it can be quite exciting and rewarding when it does happen unexpectedly. Like xaf, I'm afraid I don't get your point, gwm, and your judgment seems a bit harsh.