Dave

Adventurous Old Guy, I'm really glad you can recognize this. so much of our work has roots of dealing with people who are not, essentially, trustworthy. I'm not saying all clients are not trustworthy... I'm saying the industry of escorting probably has a much higher percentage of people who frequently lie, than other industries. to hear that you realize how important trust-building is for working guys, shows how you respect us. the flip side, in case I'm not being clear, are clients who objectify us... and if they change their mind and cancel an appointment, they think "it's not a big deal" to the escort, "he can just get another client that night." it's rare when clients realize that we escorts are usually excited about the upcoming appointment, too.

Yeah. I carried my friend's body to the burning grounds in Bali, a few years ago. An hour or so before that, she was washed naked in front of hundreds, in a ritual carried out by a Balinese priest. He then decorated her body with flowers and small objects (like broken mirrors on her eyes), and sprinkled holy water on her. At that point her husband, her sister-in-law, myself, and two others bound her body in white fabric, then sarongs, and then a sort of human "basket" made of palms. We put her into a casket, also made of palm, and along with five other men, I carried her to the cremation site. On the way, at a road intersection, we had to turn around in circles, raucously, to confuse the gods... Eventually we got to the grounds, and some flammable liquid was doused on her. I held her five year old son while she burned, and - here's where it got rather surreal for me - several Balinese came up to him and said something that translated as, "Look, Surya.. there's Mama!" and "Bye, Mama!", as she became engulfed in flames. And, oh, you can't cry at funerals in Bali, lest the evil spirits see that. Same reason we twist and turn the corpse at intersections. For if the gods know there's a dead human - she's in a vulnerable position - and they may keep her soul from going on to a better resting place. This is where Hindu Karma meets Animism and life in Bali is both about the seen and the unseen. "Sekala/Niskala" Writing this out here... is a little cathartic. Of course, I still miss her terribly. But I think most posters here would say that about those for whom they've been pallbearers.

where have I heard those words before?

I've turned into THAT GUY. I always strive to have a "clean as a whistle" ass, after taking a crap. Just in case anyone's gonna whistle into it (or make out with it, or whatever those people do, who - what do they call it? "rum" or "Ram" or "rim"...?) anyways, y'all get the point: I never know when that moment's gonna be, and I've just found it easier to make sure it's always really good down there. so... especially, living here in bali... we have butt sprayers next to toilets, and I've realized: they're a heck of a lot more efficient than paper. plus, as seen in that spanish-lang video earlier, less trees get damaged! a while ago I heard about a way to keep clean - "the escort's way". naturally, I was interested to learn what that was, when I heard the term. basically: first a good spray of water. then: a soapy finger from my left hand, inserted, cleaning around the insides - but just around 2 inches is enough depth. then: washing of said finger, and then: repeat the fingering-yourself/washing-your-finger routine. the whole thing usually takes three times, for me - sometimes four. all in the amount of time it takes to read this info about toilet paper out loud: "Toilet paper wipes out 27,000 trees a day. Worldwide, the equivalent of almost 270,000 trees is either flushed or dumped in landfills every day and roughly 10 percent of that total is attributable to toilet paper, according to the latest issue of World Watch magazine. Hardwood trees like gum, maple and oak have shorter fibers that make a softer paper. Toilet paper is generally a combination of approximately 70% hardwood and 30% softwood. Other materials used in manufacture include water, chemicals for breaking down the trees into usable fiber, and bleaches. Toilet paper started being produced in a white color because homeowners could then color coordinate their toilet paper with their bathrooms. It turns out the dye in colored toilet paper had several negative consequences for both the users and producers. It made colored toilet paper too expensive to produce than its white counterpart." full disclosure: there is an additional bit of time I spend washing that finger afterwards. hmmm, maybe that should be a question here: how much time do y'all spend washing your hands after shitting? by the way, here in bali we have toilet paper that's sold without the cardboard roll inside. it still has that round space, but somehow they start it rolling on something else (maybe metal?) thereby eliminating the need for that thing. so to answer your question more directly: I don't wipe, I go in.

I made an inquiry in the European Escorts section of the forum... please look for it there (Zurich - Advice on Advertising) THANKS GUYS xxx, Dave

I'd clarify just a few things beforehand: - does he need some time to himself during the 24 hours? if so, how much... - if he gets phone calls, does he prefer to take them? does he always hold off from them? same clarification with texts, emails. for you, just knowing what his perspective is on this, would be helpful so expectations are in order. - food, gosh, yeah, I love what the earlier poster said in this thread... 3 meals a day. nothing drives me crazier (well there are some things, grin...) than when a client wants to forgo a meal. I put out a lot of physical energy, and I, for one, need fuel. it's fine if a client doesnt want to eat, but I do. my point here is just talk with him first to clarify his fuel needs, heh heh. and you might as well ask then if he has any dietary needs, too. remember to just enjoy the fact that you'll have extended time with that guy. seriously, I've been with a number of clients who seem to bring their bucket list along, and that takes the spontaneity out of the experience.

Hi guys. I'll be available in Zurich during the second half of October. But when I go to list myself as a traveling 'scort in Zurich on Rentmen, an ominous message pops up... something I've never seen before for other cities: "We would like to remind you that companionship services are subjected to a specific local legisation, that you are required to strictly follow and respect. According to reports form other escorts the swiss police is aresting escorts who do not have working permit for Swizerland." Can anyone shed some light on this? Especially grateful to replies from other escorts, but client insight definitely welcome too. xxx, Dave

wow that's super helpful, tassojunior. thanks so much! zurich seems great... think that's where I'll head

meaning... it's a good place for escorts to go? or there's a zillion of them already there - so it may be better for clients? forgive me - but I'd like to get clarification. specifically, why'd you say that, tassojunior?

wklucas, why you seem to be hating on me? I don't know you... you don't know me...

recently, someone wrote on the message forum the following about me: “...at what age or after which experience or after what achievement did this guy regard himself as "Legendary" ??....Did he declare that himself or did a client first refer to him as such......I know nothing about the guy.....just curious.” since he seems so curious, I’ll explain how the Legendary moniker came to be. I've been asked this by clients sometimes too, so I bet there are others out there who are wondering this as well. (put your head in my lap, son... this will take a few minutes, and we both should be, um, comfortable... heh heh). I was once told by a client after a particular experience that I was “amazing." I laughed and said thanks. he said something like, "no really, you are phenomenal. I'd heard about you before, but didn't think it'd be like this. you are really amazing - actually, you're legendary.” I didn't assume the moniker until about a year later. I was re-doing my website and was changing the URL, too. figuring branding might be good, I recalled that guy saying that, and so amongst other ideas, came up with "The Legendary Dave". I thought about what other people had said about me, and weighed what felt seemed right. "Amazing Dave" seemed ridiculous, and a little magician-like. other terms seemed over the top, but "Legendary" sounded good to me. looking it up to see if I was interpreting it in the correct way, I found this: (click here for) The Oxford Dictionary Definition of Legendary I liked the 2nd definition there: "Remarkable enough to be famous; very well known." especially the usage example, ‘her wisdom in matters of childbirth was legendary’ now, I don't do much with women and childbirth as an escort, but I have taught about sex in various countries all over the world (subjects are at that link) - and I suppose I'm sought after because I have the knowledge and am willing to share it. I have taught at sex centers and sex conferences, in universities, for private groups, and even for individuals. one of my most well-known classes was HOW TO WH0RE... which I no longer keep on the page, due to the turning tide of the internet after the rentboy bust three years ago, and continuing to this day with fosta-sesta. meanwhile, I have more reviews than any male escort I know - and no, I don't pay for them. also, I'm known for my work as an activist within the sex worker movement. I've received accolades from Daddy himself (DaddysReviews dot com) as well as the owner of Rentmen dot com. and I'm lucky to have many friends who are well known in the sex industry, from male and female porn stars to some of the most sought-after escorts in the world. what I've accomplished and contributed to the escort industry/adult industry has made me Legendary. somehow, I became "famous" and "very well known". after launching the website and using the moniker The Legendary Dave for a year or so, I got a lot of positive feedback, so I kept it. sure, once in a while there’s still someone who'll jump on the (admittedly) rather ballsy name. at this point though, I think it's a hell of a lot better than calling myself names like these: TheBestInTown, SexyBabe, HotGuy, BestInTheBiz, TheStud, AlexUrFantasy, KingSmigitto, DreamBoyy, Cool Guy. those are all actual working names that I've just pulled off an escort site - and although I'm sure some of these guys are amazing, none of those names would be names I'd personally be comfortable with. I sincerely hope that explains my own rationale behind the moniker. in the end, names of most escorts are made up. Rod Target is not likely to be Rod Target... his real name may be Marvin Norkowski. but he knows that won’t attract as much attention as the working name he’s taken. give him space, and let him give you (his) Rod. and just like shopping for other things, if you don't fancy his name, move on. you get that choice. as for not knowing anything about me... “I know nothing about the guy.....just curious.” what about going to DaddysReviews to see what’s there? also, I’d encourage you to visit my website. don’t worry, it’s not all one-sided. In addition to an in-depth description of myself, rates, and photos, there’s a good deal of info on sex in general, tips for contacting me, and a link to hiring and being with escorts, created by someone else. but since you weren’t asking me directly about me, perhaps the thing you might find most helpful are the reviews by others (there’s about 250 posted there, all under the “Why” tab). xxx, Dave

fair enough, latbear4blk. thanks for clarifying. and thanks for this newer fish gif; it's a lot nicer to see a fish being fed, than being pulled out of the water I still think this warrants a conversation. because the fact is escorts, crunched by both laws and social stigma, are unable to advertise their services in the same ways as other professions. our options are pretty limited. we can be on escort websites, or in-print (often in lgbt rags or the backs of porn mags), but those options have been diminishing over the last few years: think of the charges against rentboy in 2015, the demise of backpage and craigslist’s personals over these past 12 months, and the more recent enactment of fosta and sesta in the united states. so, how else can escorts advertise? one way is by hanging out on the street - which has its own set of complications. another is by acting as a hustler in a bar, which can also be quite problematic. but a forum, where escorts can discuss their services, and people can interact with the escorts? that seems like a great way for working guys to peddle themselves! alas, this message-forum has so much potential, but as we've all seen, forums allow some to spend their time writing negative non-face-to-face comments. like everything else on the internet, it runs the risk of people writing comments they would never actually say to a person’s face. in other words, it’s easy to be rude about a person’s forum post. it strikes me, though, as either being mean, or not doing the harder work to think things through. if you want to ask about my moniker, wklucas, that’s fine (and it’s been written about a few times before). I’ll post an explanation for you in another thread - maybe in the Lounge, I guess. but the other stuff you mention - worrying about the exact location on the forum for my upcoming travel, or saying I’m trolling - well, it makes it seem like you want to derail my post. and yes, I’ll admit it - that post was to sell my services. what is so wrong with an escort selling his services this way??? I’m getting the word out that I can be in those locations. The Lounge is listed as “a place to gather and exchange ideas” - but usually it's not ideas about escorts in particular. The Deli is “an area to discuss escorts” - doesn't seem like a place for an escort to post his travel options. Escort Travels is “an area for escorts to list their travel plans” - which is what I’m doing. emphasis on plans. I'm feeling a little like I'm on a college campus with a hypersensitive millenial up in arms over communication. the irony is, over the years reading this forum, I’ve read so many client posters who lament that escorts don’t chime in here and write. well, I can’t speak for everyone, but - this is one reason why I limit my own input here. I suspect you're a nice guy, wklucas... please, relax and let this be a place for everyone. I’m just trying to sell my time. sure, it’s a little different than the way others do things. I guess I’m not your typical escort - and perhaps that’s not what you’re seeking. no problem... live and let live, eh? peace, readers... hope I can continue to hear about people who want to set up an appointment in the vegas/phoenix/san diego region of the world.

oh, come on, guys. lay off. what is the bloody difference between me posting three locales for the dates when I'll be traveling, and asking people for their insight for those three locales? and yeah, sure, some people have contacted me about going to some of the locales. which, if you think about it, is the original point of the Escort Travels thread. peace, readers...

well, I'm not saying they embarrass me - I might get embarrassed about my own actions sometimes, but not those of others. the discomfort I'm writing about is a sort of empathy; I know that they are uncomfortable and I start to feel it too. I've been in a variety of situations with that, but - perhaps no surprise - the most frequent is when the escort and I share a client. and no, it's not a personal thing where I'm feeling ignored, heh heh. I think in some escort situations, clients feel they can say things that in other situations would be inappropriate - and that's probably how it starts. hey, it'd be great if anyone who considers themselves MGL would chime in on this discussion... I feel like I'm talking about a group of people without their input, and we all know the perspective of the person / group / type discussed is the most valuable voice in the discussion...

hi Forum Readers, I'll be in the USA on the above dates. Taking appointments in Los Angeles and Palm Springs (the weeks before Sept 1st), and Toronto (the weeks after Sept 5th). But - I'm unsure where to go during those first five days of September. Can you help? Proximity in the SoCal region leads me to consider Vegas or Phoenix or San Diego. If someone wants me in any of those locales, PM me please, ASAP - that will help my decision. Alternatively, somewhere else, let me know. And if you wanna spend multiple days together anywhere, please contact me, as well Other escorts, your input would be appreciated, too! Thanks, Dave

many people in the world are attractive. and there's a much smaller percentage of ppl who are, what I'll call, "Model Good Looking" - those who turn heads every time they walk into a restaurant, as an example. in my experience with MGL ppl - from having had one boyfriend that I'll consider "MGL", and one girlfriend too, to being close with several MGL male and female colleagues in the adult industry, to having some male and female MGL clients, to having a few good and long-term MGL friends - I've learned these things: - they're sometimes quite frustrated with how good looking they are, because there's more than a few people who just won't stop commenting on their looks, instead of moving on to some other aspects, like their personality or intelligence. - almost all of them have more insecurities, or are lacking in some particular departments of confidence, than the average person. I'm not saying that a fair number of average-looking people don't also suffer from insecurities... just that with the MGLs, this is more likely to be the case. - although they get a lot of attention in one way, they do not get approached by others as a love interest - or at least, that's what they perceive. their explanation (and I've heard this from more than a few)... they think that people assume they're out of the MGL's league... or that the MGL, being so incredibly good looking, must undoubtedly already be in a relationship. in my own experience, the only times it's odd is when we (me and the MGL) are around others, and that other person is going on ad nauseam about the MGL's looks, and the MGL feels awkward. the conversation gets weird because that other person's focus is based on superficialities (looks, I mean). I think I'm just of average attractiveness, but at times I've even felt a bit of the MGL's level of discomfort. over time, as I've learned all this, I've found the MGL's experience to be a really interesting one. on another note, I feel quite lucky to have these relationships - love or friendship or client - where confidence like that has been shared with me.

thanks, all, for your insight. and thank you njr47, for that sweet comment!

thanks for your perspective, Ben!

thanks, marylander1940. curious... can you tell me why you mentioned those places? any additional insight would be great.

Anne Frank, a nun, and a hooker are up in an attic... sorry. tasteless. but since I did play Otto Frank in The Diary of Anne Frank a few years ago, and had audiences streaming tears at the end of the play... perhaps inserting a little humor here is ok? I mean, I just learned my daughter's been writing smut. I could use a little comic relief... sorry. tasteless, again.

I LOVE YOU, TRISTAN BALDWIN! honestly, you are a shining star in this industry. between your work/life balance, publicly discussing your weak points as well as your strengths, not taking shit from people when it's flung your way, having a sense of humor - and a brain, and just being an all-around-nice guy... dude, I really do wish more 'scorts were like you. and you, Big-n-Tall: good fukkin' job for keeping an eagle eye out, on youngboldone! you wrote, "Aren’t you the guy who made a post trying to pit @Dave and @tristanbaldwin against each other and not only caught flack from a lot of people on the board... even prompted both escorts to respond? TB went as far as to dispute your scheduling claims." just finished my ny to chicago overland tour, and arrived back in bali last night. I had a great time with the ladies and gents who hired me along the way (some of you are readers here!). seriously, every single appointment was great... and that doesn't always happen for escorts within a 4 week period. anyway... rock on, TB and BnT - just wanted to commend you both! xxx, Dave

Please, see my thread in The Lounge titled "Insight please? Where to tour as an American escort in Europe?" I'm guessing that there are people reading this section that don't go into The Lounge, who might have some insight and be willing to share... Thanks, Dave

Hi Forum, I’ll be going to Spain for two weeks this October with a client, and plan to stay on for another two weeks or so, escorting with either shorter jobs (by the hour, day, or overnight) or with longer stretches with one person (a week or two weeks, perhaps traveling around as a companion, in the traditional sense of the word). My challenge is that although I’ve been in Europe before with clients for a week or two or three, I don’t know much about touring there, as an escort. Can anyone shed some light on good places that a white American escort might go, to maximize hiring opportunities? For example, are guys like me rarely sought in Italy, but more likely hired in France? Any insight - from working guys or clients - would be really appreciated. And to anyone who’s wanted to spend some time in Europe traveling with an American man, please don’t hesitate to contact me. Thanks in advance! xxx, Dave

hahaha! best advice I've heard in a while. nynakedtop, I'm sorry that happened to you.

gosh - what a strange feeling I have. I went to pay for my m4rn ad today - something I've actually grappled with doing more than a few times over the years. and realized - it's gone. I kind of feel like the house fell on the wicked witch of the west. man, those people running it were really difficult to deal with! as an escort, dealing with them ranged from poor communication, to heaps of attitude, to their refusing to publish ads - as well as refusing to tell us why (that was shit they pulled 6 and 8 years ago). their advertising prices were too high, and they refused to let us share parts about ourselves that would make it easy for the end user (people interested in hiring) to make decisions. at various times over the years, we couldn't list our rates, our interests (I mean even words like "vanilla" were banned), our naked photos, our contact details, and of course, our websites. to add to all that, if an escort ceased advertising with them, they would not remove his ad. instead, the guy's ad stayed up... people would reach out to contact him with the "contact me" button, but m4rn held the messages, until that escort paid up again! result was that good people who reached out to an escort (many no doubt already having a high emotional challenge in doing so, for various reasons) got no reply from said escort. it would have seemed that the escort was blowing the potential client off! this fukkin' killed me. obviously not all clients are so fragile in their shopping, but I've had a fair number of men and women with low self esteem. when they contacted me, they were ready for me to tell them I didn't want to see them. I'm proud to say I never actually felt like that at the outset, with anyone... but I know this shit can be hard for some. my point is that what men4rentnow did was a true disservice to the industry. now, how does an escort advertise himself, when there's only a few platforms that are truly well known? y'all can see where I'm going with this... to me, advertising on m4rn didn't really seem like a choice. we chose to suck it up (no pun there) and deal with a bunch of dickheads who (rumor had it) were straight, and judging frrom their behavior, excessively money-focused. ultimately, I'm glad they're gone. I'm not glad about how another golden age of freer sexual pursuits seems to be historically marked - much like the demise of 42nd street... or the closing chapter on gay cruising in the 1970s... or the end of a certain kind of porn lifestyle in the 1980s. or the key parties of the 1950s... wait, did those things ever really exist? anyway. Mocha, I like your take on this... it's rather evolutionary, which isn't really an angle I'd have pegged you for in the past. well, one thing is true - all things do change. short term, I'm challenged a bit, because I was planning on using the wicked witch to advertise my upcoming USA tour. I doubt it'll hurt me much, but I feel for my brothers who relied on m4rn for a signifcant portion of their income. god, when will this industry get decriminalized??? it would help workers and hirers alike in so many ways... and financially, it would help the nation, too. but there's just too much "morality" still in play. as I write this, the sun's going down over the rice field, and I'm tapping this out on my laptop on my hanging bamboo-and-glass table. many of you know I travel all over the world for clients... but did you know you can also come see me here in bali? let's spend some time together, and let me show you this amazing island... and some other things, too [ATTACH=full]15588[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]15589[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]15590[/ATTACH]