Is this real, seems too brutal

[steed8]

While I was turned on, the bruises were too extreme? Unless it was make up for the camera. But powerful and strong young man.

 

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph56dcafcb854ed

 

Definitely real, as has been clarified already by men more expert by far than me.

But, I'm sure that I've seen a considerably longer version of this scene elsewhere & recently so. But, I did a quick search just now & was unable to bring it up for you.

If the guy finds pain to be an aphrodisiac, then it works for him. I have fantasized about being tied up and used that way, but I don't know if I could actually cross that line. It would certainly have to be with a very experienced man who can sense limits and knows how far one could safely push past what the bottom thinks his limits are. The guy holding the whip or flogger (safer, I think) has to be extremely perceptive and capable of not getting lost in his own gratification from administering pain.

 

Well said there..

Plus, there's the matter of choosing the appropriate "tool" for what the sub & dom plan to approach in terms of interaction.

For example, here's a picture chart that can be helpful in terms of what generates the various types of responses in markings on the body as well as the time factor for which the markings remain.

 

http://ruffsstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/tumblr_nsjik93tqb1rdlsv8o1_500.png

[whipped guy]

Thanks @steed8 ! Great chart. Still it important to know that in addition to "sting" some floggers give more of a thud along with the sting. Such is the case with a bull hide flogger... see below in my signature... that gives a much heavier type blow that is accompanied by a bit less of a sting. The standard generic flogger is usually made from cow which gives a sort of basic sting. Personally I have come to like floggers constructed from a heavier belting leather. It makes it easier for the Dom, but he has to know that he needs to used it less forcefully to use it responsibly.

 

The first escort that I hired had a collection of various floggers constructed from diffetent types of hide... as part of his training he learned how to use each one for different effects. Deer is soft. Elk a bit more intense and gives a mild sting. Bull and buffalo are thicker and higher in intensity with a nice combo of thud and sting with the buffalo bring thicker and having more thud. Braided floggers can be off the charts intense as can be the latigo leather variety which is a stiff tanned cow hide.

 

I was once worked over with a cane by a guy who did not know what he was doing... a very bad experience. Years later I attended a demo and saw how to do it properly. Single tails are only for the most advanced. Also the stiffness of paddles determines their intensity as does the material... wood is worse than leather as an example. Of course the thickness of the strands of a flogger also determine the amount of sting... there is really a lot to it... one just does not fling the thing and hope for the best.

[LivingnLA]

I haven't done any of this in many years, but back in the day, I was old school: my hand, my belt, or my paddle. Being the Disciplinarian in my frat was sometimes very fun!

[steed8]

I haven't done any of this in many years, but back in the day, I was old school: my hand, my belt, or my paddle. Being the Disciplinarian in my frat was sometimes very fun!

 

Oh, you lucky man! Bet your memories rear up regularly & still give you pleasure, eh?

Many a porn flick has been centered on a similarly styled theme.

[LivingnLA]

Oh, you lucky man! Bet your memories rear up regularly & still give you pleasure, eh?

Many a porn flick has been centered on a similarly styled theme.

 

Haha! Yes. Just because of this thread, I went into our storage and checked on the boxes of gear I still have from this time in my 20s. I'd forgotten some of the leather restraints I'd bought, but holding the wood paddles felt like slipping on familiar old gloves.

[BaronArtz]

Fuller version of the original video.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph577d233986fc0

 

I liked it ... but it would have been better if nudity was involved. Why did the sub keep his jeans on? THAT was astonishing to me.

[uwsman2]

Probably kept his jeans on because he limits what can be shown of him on camera... no ass or cockshots, because he is willing to show his face and is not an escort, most likely.

[LivingnLA]

I liked it ... but it would have been better if nudity was involved. Why did the sub keep his jeans on? THAT was astonishing to me.

 

Keeping underwear and or jeans/shorts on is pretty common in a nonsexual Discipline session. It helps the sub and Dom focus on the Discipline. BDSM can be completely nonsexual in intent and activity. As I said previously, I was the Disciplinarian for my frat and some friends. It was a fun exploratory time for me in college, but it was rare for a spanking session to be anything other than holding them accountable for whatever they did wrong.

[whipped guy]

Keeping underwear and or jeans/shorts on is pretty common in a nonsexual Discipline session. It helps the sub and Dom focus on the Discipline. BDSM can be completely nonsexual in intent and activity. As I said previously, I was the Disciplinarian for my frat and some friends. It was a fun exploratory time for me in college, but it was rare for a spanking session to be anything other than holding them accountable for whatever they did wrong.

If one looks st BDSM videos from years ago it was basically a non sexual thing in the sense that there was no fucking, no emphasis on blowjobs etc. Yet it was still as hot a sexual experience as was possible! The main source of BDSM vids way back when were the now classic Daddy Zeus tapes where only the infamous gloved hand of the master was shown. As such there was no way that there could be any "sexual content", at least not in the traditional sense. Even in vids where the Dom was totally present the sub was put through his paces by the Dom and that's basically where they got their gratification. Very often the vids ended with the battered sub lying limply on the floor after being beaten up by his master. With time the top would cum on his sub and then the sub as his reward would get to jerkoff as well..

 

Eventually the sub was required to service his master as part of the scene. Then getting fucked was introduced. With the advent of Kink vids such as Bound Gods etc. The traditional sexually content was increased exponentially with coerced blowjobs and fucking being part of the discipline and punishment. Blowjobs became more of a brutal forced face fucking where the Dom was not satisfied unless the sub literally choked on his dick. Also, regarding fucking, the rougher the fuck fest the better.

 

Well, nothing is absolute, but in general that's how things evolved. At least that was my experience. In fact when I first started to go to clubs that catered to BDSM activities any sort of sexual activity was prohibited. It was pure B D S & M period! That is no longer the case. I actually miss those days as you knew that you were going to get to play with like-minded individuals.

 

Case in point, and I think that I told this story here previously. I told one guy at such a gathering that I really wanted to beat him. He got excited then dragged me to the darkest corner of the venue where being visually challenged I could not see what I would be doing. Not a good thing, but I figured that's where he wanted to do it. When I took out my accouterments he got totally flustered. He thought I had said that I wanted to eat him... he was not into pain... so a total miscue!

[LivingnLA]

If one looks st BDSM videos from years ago it was basically a non sexual thing in the sense that there was no fucking, no emphasis on blowjobs etc. Yet it was still as hot a sexual experience as was possible! The main source of BDSM vids way back when were the now classic Daddy Zeus tapes where only the infamous gloved hand of the master was shown. As such there was no way that there could be any "sexual content", at least not in the traditional sense. Even in vids where the Dom was totally present the sub was put through his paces by the Dom and that's basically where they got their gratification. Very often the vids ended with the battered sub lying limply on the floor after being beaten up by his master. With time the top would cum on his sub and then the sub as his reward would get to jerkoff as well..

 

Eventually the sub was required to service his master as part of the scene. Then getting fucked was introduced. With the advent of Kink vids such as Bound Gods etc. The traditional sexually content was increased exponentially with coerced blowjobs and fucking being part of the discipline and punishment. Blowjobs became more of a brutal forced face fucking where the Dom was not satisfied unless the sub literally choked on his dick. Also, regarding fucking, the rougher the fuck fest the better.

 

Well, nothing is absolute, but in general that's how things evolved. At least that was my experience. In fact when I first started to go to clubs that catered to BDSM activities any sort of sexual activity was prohibited. It was pure B D S & M period! That is no longer the case. I actually miss those days as you knew that you were going to get to play with like-minded individuals.

 

Case in point, and I think that I told this story here previously. I told one guy at such a gathering that I really wanted to beat him. He got excited then dragged me to the darkest corner of the venue where being visually challenged I could not see what I would be doing. Not a good thing, but I figured that's where he wanted to do it. When I took out my accouterments he got totally flustered. He thought I had said that I wanted to eat him... he was not into pain... so a total miscue!

 

I'm happy to mix sex with BDSM, even in the "derogatory/humiliation" way so many sometimes seem to want, but I've learned my limits and for me, it's easier to stay focused and aware in a heavy BDSM without the distraction of sex. Sometimes I felt like it compromised my ability to read my sub and gauge when we went too far or did too much.

[whipped guy]

I'm happy to mix sex with BDSM, even in the "derogatory/humiliation" way so many sometimes seem to want, but I've learned my limits and for me, it's easier to stay focused and aware in a heavy BDSM without the distraction of sex. Sometimes I felt like it compromised my ability to read my sub and gauge when we went too far or did too much.

LOL! The distraction of sex! On more than one occasion when Flogging a guy in a "heavy BDSM" situation at a club I was totally distracted by what was going on just a few feet away. Once there were three guys going at it on a massage table to my left and another time a couple of guys to my right. Now that was in addition to the porn that they had playing on the TV monitor in front of me! Yes, one needs to stay totally focused...

 

I very rarely get fucked... not really my thing. So when I hire escorts for BDSM I don't even think of going there. There was only once when we combined the two on the spur of the moment. He was a favorite guy, and it just seemed right at the time, and just because. Other than that I have only gone there when the escort did not have the skills to do a decent BDSM scene and I felt that we needed to do something to fill up the time. Plus, since it's something I really don't enjoy it was like a different form of S&M. Furthermore the guys involved were hot as hell even though they really were not into S&M. That's what happened when guys used to check all the boxes on the old Rentboy. The first time it happened the guy told me that he had equipment so I did not bring mine. When I got there all that he had was a slap paddle in the night table drawer next to his bed... so lesson learned to always bring toys!

Edited January 2, 2017 by whipped guy

[LivingnLA]

LOL! The distraction of sex! On more than one occasion when Flogging a guy in a "heavy BDSM" situation at a club I was totally distracted by what was going on just a few feet away. Once there were three guys going at it on a massage table to my left and another time a couple of guys to my right. Now that was in addition to the porn that they had playing on the TV monitor in front of me! Yes, one needs to stay totally focused...

 

I very rarely get fucked... not really my thing. So when I hire escorts for BDSM I don't even think of going there. There was only once when we combined the two on the spur of the moment. He was a favorite guy, and it just seemed right at the time, and just because. Other than that I have only gone there when the escort did not have the skills to do a decent BDSM scene and I felt that we needed to do something to fill up the time. Plus, since it's something I really don't enjoy it was like a different form of S&M. Furthermore the guys involved were hot as hell even though they really were not into S&M. That's what happened when guys used to check all the boxes on the old Rentboy. The first time it happened the guy told me that he had equipment so I did not bring mine. When I got there all that he had was a slap paddle in the night table drawer next to his bed... so lesson learned to always bring toys!

 

Yes, it can be a distraction for me, but I'm working on it. For example, around 6 years ago, I ran into a guy who was very curious about sucking cock. I thought he was attractive and I'm a guy who enjoys being someone's first. It plays into some of my kinks. Training him required me to stay very focused and aware of his reactions because he loved to be choked and full of my cock but had an easy gag reflex that rapidly led to vomiting. I had to become very good at reading him responses and keeping him right on the edge. It was fun and definitely helped me improve my ability to remain focused on my sub even while I was taking pleasure.

[BaronArtz]

Thanks, Whipped and LivingnLA! I had no idea of the evolution in BDSM - assumed it was always a prelude to sexual activity. Of course I know definitions of 'sexual activity' don't mean much. You guys are a real asset to this forum.

[whipped guy]

Yes, it can be a distraction for me, but I'm working on it. For example, around 6 years ago, I ran into a guy who was very curious about sucking cock. I thought he was attractive and I'm a guy who enjoys being someone's first. It plays into some of my kinks. Training him required me to stay very focused and aware of his reactions because he loved to be choked and full of my cock but had an easy gag reflex that rapidly led to vomiting. I had to become very good at reading him responses and keeping him right on the edge. It was fun and definitely helped me improve my ability to remain focused on my sub even while I was taking pleasure.

Sounded hot until you mentioned the vomiting part! In any event!!! With such a reflex I would definitely be on my toes and be "very focused and aware of his reactions"!!!! Well at least it helped you train your skills at reading the sub which is definitely an essential ability for such scenes! As I always say, "Turn something bad into something good"! Or at least something tolerable!

[LivingnLA]

Sounded hot until you mentioned the vomiting part! In any event!!! With such a reflex I would definitely be on my toes and be "very focused and aware of his reactions"!!!! Well at least it helped you train your skills at reading the sub which is definitely an essential ability for such scenes! As I always say, "Turn something bad into something good"! Or at least something tolerable!

 

When we parted ways he was an excellent cocksucker, at least for me, but the last I heard, he still had a gag reflex that triggered a violent response.

Edited January 2, 2017 by LivingnLA

[handiacefailure]

I could handle an ass paddling/strapping that intense with no problem but know I'm in the minority. I saw a guy get caned once at a party at IML in Chicago and the top refused to go on even though the sub wanted him to because his butt was starting to bleed. I've never been to Inferno or the CHC but am told some really intense stuff goes on there.

[escortrod]

I could handle an ass paddling/strapping that intense with no problem but know I'm in the minority. I saw a guy get caned once at a party at IML in Chicago and the top refused to go on even though the sub wanted him to because his butt was starting to bleed. I've never been to Inferno or the CHC but am told some really intense stuff goes on there.

I've had clients who I have caned until they started to bleed, who wanted to continue. Unfortunately that's where I draw the line, in case of legal liability for any damage that may be caused. It's something I'd suggest any escorts who are into BDSM give due consideration.

[LivingnLA]

I've had clients who I have caned until they started to bleed, who wanted to continue. Unfortunately that's where I draw the line, in case of legal liability for any damage that may be caused. It's something I'd suggest any escorts who are into BDSM give due consideration.

 

Caning is tricky as it is, to continue after bleeding begins to introduce other issues. Only the most experienced Dominants should go there. Lady Hugs wrote a good caning overview that's worth reading if you're into caning a sub or slave. Personally, were I to wish to make a caning session even more painful, I would do some "figging," from English-style canning, during the session to intensify the pain. Lady Hugs' overview discusses it near the end.

 

Also, I refer you to Peter Masters' very informative and useful BDSM site for more info.

 

https://www.peter-masters.com/wiki/index.php/BDSM_health,_safety,_and_risks

Edited January 10, 2017 by LivingnLA

[uwsman2]

I keep coming back to this brutal scene... catnip for a masochist like me!

[whipped guy]

I keep coming back to this brutal scene... catnip for a masochist like me!

As do I! Obviously!

[whipped guy]

I'm too much of a romantic. I would rather make out, cuddle, rub on each other, call me vanilla but hey who doesn't love just the regular old sucking cock and getting fucked. There is however this regular I've been seeing for a while and lately he's been doing stuff such as spanking my ass, putting 3 fingers in my hole and some clamps on my nipples. So don't laugh this was my first time with a clamp on my nipple, it was okay at first but after 2-3 minutes i had to take it off. Then after the session I flipped the roles and put the clamp on him ...he couldn't take it for more than a few seconds lol and I spanked him a little too, he couldn't take it longer than I could haha. I guess some people have tolerance more than others for pain.

Sounds as though the two of you need some nipple conditioning!!!! I was there once... Check the following thread to help get your nips acclimated to clamps and other nip play. As with everything else there is a right and wrong way! For beginners one needs to condition and get the nips prepared for the clamps... also one should begin with adjustable clamps... Of course when the clamps are removed that is when they often hurt the most. So a guy tries nip clamps for the first time and they hurt like hell. He then yells, "Get these f^<king things off my nips!" They are removed quickly and in an improper manner. That induces even more pain! That discourages the newbie even more from progressing to the next level. That is unfortunately how most guys first experience nip play and it is often ther last experience as well. That is a shame as they are missing out on what can potentially be a whole new erotic vista for them!

 

https://m4m-forum.org/threads/serious-nipple-play.100121/

 

Bottom line: one needs to go slowly at first. Plus practice makes perfect, and if nips are your thing you just might be on your way to becoming a serious nipple pig!

[whipped guy]

Also, since I have been asked... and especially since it fits in with the theme of this thread... my current avatar (at least as seen on 02/05/2017) is real!

[uwsman2]

Finding a skillful dom with a flogger and a soundproof place to use it... Recommendations in NYC?

[Mount N Do]

Damn I'm so green and naive to all this. Did I say unworthy? I'm seeing a younger escort that was talking to me about "pig play". Yep, I had no idea what he was talking about.

/showed myself out

[whipped guy]

Another lucky boy who has been put through the paces...