Prep or Pep?

[Kuriousity]

I love how some say they are out of a subject to copy one line from this entire conversation and make a new topic in the forum!!!!

 

New topic?

[keithhardy]

New topic?

Yes about condoms breaking or not.....look in the lounge!

[Kuriousity]

I don't think people take PrEP for bareback entitlement........do you know how many condoms break, how many babies have been conceived from broken condoms, how many stds have been passed from broken condoms? I will however agree that if I was 75 I am not sure I would start PrEP either, but I do think its wrong for you to be so quick in judging those that do. I would bet my life on it that those that died of AIDS, would not agree with your respective on PrEP.

 

I was not downing PrEP...unless I misread something....

[Kuriousity]

Yes about condoms breaking or not.....look in the lounge!

Ah

[keithhardy]

I was not downing PrEP...unless I misread something....

sorry I didn't mean it towards you.....

[MikeyGMin]

I love how some say they are out of a subject to copy one line from this entire conversation and make a new topic in the forum!!!!

 

His mind is made up and he isn't open to an actual discussion. He's just waiting for someone to screw up, become positive while on PrEP so that he can crow that he was right all along. You are wasting your breath my man.

[Kuriousity]

His mind is made up and he isn't open to an actual discussion. He's just waiting for someone to screw up, become positive while on PrEP so that he can crow that he was right all along. You are wasting your breath my man.

 

Hmm...this must be someone I made disappear, since I cannot see what y'all are talking about. Do threads that are created by people you ignore not show up?

[keithhardy]

His mind is made up and he isn't open to an actual discussion. He's just waiting for someone to screw up, become positive while on PrEP so that he can crow that he was right all along. You are wasting your breath my man.

Thanks, I will take that advice!!!! It does annoy me a bit that he took my post and copied it and pasted to start a new thread.......that was one line of an entire conversation. And condoms break, I know first hand and have the proof to show it from when I was "straight" or at least pretended to be straight

[Kuriousity]

Thanks, I will take that advice!!!! It does annoy me a bit that he took my post and copied it and pasted to start a new thread.......that was one line of an entire conversation. And condoms break, I know first hand and have the proof to show it from when I was "straight"

 

I'm starting to wonder if I am the only GSG I know.....

[keithhardy]

I'm starting to wonder if I am the only GSG I know.....

No I am single.....You aren't the only one

[marylander1940]

I love how some say they are out of a subject to copy one line from this entire conversation and make a new topic in the forum!!!!

 

those are two subjects, as I said to you in the other thread I started based on your post, stop drinking coffee... and don't call me "some", just name me and quote me.

 

Please don't call me old and immature by PM, you're an escort, be nice and you'll get more clients.

[Kuriousity]

No I am single.....You aren't the only one

 

Well, you did mention "straight", so I guessed you had at least a drive-by encounter with vag. I have never been sexual with the opposite gender--that was what I understood defined "Gold Star Gay".

[MikeyGMin]

Hmm...this must be someone I made disappear, since I cannot see what y'all are talking about. Do threads that are created by people you ignore not show up?

 

Must be.

[Juan Vancouver]

are these drugs typically used only by those that prefer to only bareback and are active that way....and/or are they commonly used by sexually active people who usually use condoms but just want to be ultra-careful....or what??

 

Both. I know many people in either camp.

 

Taking Truvada doesn't equate with being a promiscuous barebacker. It just means an extra layer of protection. Some of the people who take it will bareback, some won't. All people who take it correctly will get extra protection.

 

Society would rather people using condoms and paying for those condoms themselves.

 

Actually that is not society. That is what the 1% in your country has trained you to believe through their crooked politicians and media.

 

Without the dangerous neoliberal demagogy most societies actually jump at the thought of taking care of one another, making sure every sick person is taken care of, every hungry person is fed and everyone has enough. Society at large KNOWS that I am alright only if you are.

 

I am not invested in you barebacking or not. That's your business altogether. I am just wanting to point out the fact that your assumptions about this subject are mostly wrong.

 

More high risk patients taking this drug religiously WILL dramatically cut down health expenses. That is why most countries who enjoy universal health care are jumping on the Truvada bandwagon.

 

You are entitled to have your emotional reaction to issues that are delicate, but you are not allowed to misrepresent facts to justify your emotions.

 

You don't need to justify anything. Emotions are all valid. I am sorry you went through such horrible times. I really cannot imagine how traumatic that must have been.

 

Big hug.

[marylander1940]

Both. I know many people in either camp.

 

Taking Truvada doesn't equate with being a promiscuous barebacker. It just means an extra layer of protection. Some of the people who take it will bareback, some won't. All people who take it correctly will get extra protection..

 

Do you actually believe guys go on PrEP just to keep using condoms?

 

Actually that is not society. That is what the 1% in your country has trained you to believe through their crooked politicians and media.

 

Without the dangerous neoliberal demagogy most societies actually jump at the thought of taking care of one another, making sure every sick person is taken care of, every hungry person is fed and everyone has enough. Society at large KNOWS that I am alright only if you are..

 

That's called the Conservative movement or Conservatism. You could say Neoliberalismo in Spanish, and everybody would know what you mean but in English Conservative is the right way to called what you're referring.

 

I think we should care for each other, I'm a liberal, but I'm not a socialist and I think people should be responsible and not pass the bills to the society. Why do we the taxpayers have to pay for scooters for overweight people? In many cases they could walk and change their habits.

 

 

 

I am not invested in you barebacking or not. That's your business altogether. I am just wanting to point out the fact that your assumptions about this subject are mostly wrong.

 

More high risk patients taking this drug religiously WILL dramatically cut down health expenses. That is why most countries who enjoy universal health care are jumping on the Truvada bandwagon.

 

You are entitled to have your emotional reaction to issues that are delicate, but you are not allowed to misrepresent facts to justify your emotions.

 

You don't need to justify anything. Emotions are all valid. I am sorry you went through such horrible times. I really cannot imagine how traumatic that must have been.

 

Big hug.

 

I really appreciate your last statements, they show what a caring person you're. It's a miracle I survived the AIDS epidemic in the early 80's, after that a condom was the only way to remain alive and healthy. Even though many times we disagree on here I respect the fact that you're knowledgeable, direct, honest and you don't use nasty PM to make up your point.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Society would rather people using condoms and paying for those condoms themselves.

 

Does PrEP if taken correctly protect against HPV, Zika mosquito virus, and other diseases

 

Condoms do not fully prevent the transmission of HPV. HPV can be transferred from skin-to-skin contact.

 

If you have ever performed oral sex without a condom you might just have the virus.

 

Over 75 percent of the sexually active adult population in the US already has HPV. Over 5 million are infected every year.

[Reluctant Daddy]

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

[Kuriousity]

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

 

Nah...fuck no.....this has been an educational thread, Leave it be & do not apologize.

 

If people want to cause some shit storms, click Ignore, and be on your merry way, Mavis....

[+ ArVaGuy]

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

 

Whoa there NYClocker. You have nothing to feel sorry about. You have not caused a shitstorm. You asked a good question that needs to be addressed in our community. There have been several informed replies with good advice.

 

That it may have taken a contentious turn has nothing to do with your post. In fact this is an indication of the vibrancy of this forum. Better for all points of view to be aired rather than an echo chamber.

 

This thread will have its normal lifecycle and then disappear as usual Then someone will ask the question again and the whole thing will start over.

 

You have to make your own decisions related to this issue. Don't let the comments here hinder your thinking.

 

Thank you for addressing this question. We need to address such topics with out fear of causing a ruckus.

[Juan Vancouver]

Do you actually believe guys go on PrEP just to keep using condoms?

 

Yes. Absolutely. There are tons of risk averse folks who are taking Truvada on top of Condoms. That doesn't change my safety practices with them anyway, but I do believe them. I also think some of those people might be lying.

 

I think we should care for each other, I'm a liberal, but I'm not a socialist and I think people should be responsible and not pass the bills to the society. Why do we the taxpayers have to pay for scooters for overweight people? In many cases they could walk and change their habits.

 

They way your social theory is flawed is that you don't realize that you are already paying for everything. Obese people in scooters are mainly prevalent in your country. Not because genetically the US is blessed with the obese gene, but because there is a huge amount of dispossessed people who have absolutely no other way to feed themselves than by stuffing themselves with high carb, high fat, low nutrition fast food diet. Because of the same reason (disparity and poverty) You ARE paying with your fear of being robbed. Crime, disease, families disintegrating, people not being educated, culture stagnating are only few of the many ways you are paying to sustain the socioeconomical system you are supporting.

 

In countries where everyone is taking care of you don't see the streets covered in obese and sick people riding scooters. In countries where everyone is taking care of you don't see people afraid for their safety, you don't see gated communities. We are all paying for the society we have. Paying with money is the cheapest possible currency and gives the highest benefits.

 

It's a miracle I survived the AIDS epidemic in the early 80's, after that a condom was the only way to remain alive and healthy.

 

We are so happy that you made it! Thank god for condoms and now, thank god for all the other scientific advancements that are allowing us to deal with the disease in different ways. May many, many people dodge that bullet as well as you did.

 

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

 

This is the very purpose of this place. Not fighting but sounding out sometimes conflicting ideas. This is the only way we can learn.

 

More questions, please!

 

And no, you definitely should not do PEP every time after sex as a routine method for prophylaxis. PEP is not only truvada but a combination of medications and many -if not most people- experience a lot of strong side effects. They often describe their PEP month as a terrible, terrible month of diarrhoea, nausea, cramping and aches.

 

Don't take my word. I am just a ho. Ask a professional. Totally ignore our personal opinions. Good luck!

[marylander1940]

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

 

Please this is not thing...

Condoms do not fully prevent the transmission of HPV. HPV can be transferred from skin-to-skin contact.

 

If you have ever performed oral sex without a condom you might just have the virus.

 

Over 75 percent of the sexually active adult population in the US already has HPV. Over 5 million are infected every year.

 

I'm shocked, I didn't know HPV was so widespread.

[amused1]

As someone who has experienced condom breakage, I applaud properly used back up protection against HIV.

 

I too lost many, many friends and acquaintances to the plague. The worst being 4 friends passing on the same day. My partner found me sobbing on the floor of our apartment. We spent the next few days cleaning and packing their belongings for family members to pick up. Some of the families had abandoned their gay children but wanted their possessions.

 

I'm not thrilled by the rise of risky behavior but, anything that saves others from the kind of experiences I lived through is OK in my book.

[keithhardy]

those are two subjects, as I said to you in the other thread I started based on your post, stop drinking coffee... and don't call me "some", just name me and quote me.

 

Please don't call me old and immature by PM, you're an escort, be nice and you'll get more clients.

1 I am nice, ask anyone who knows me including the many clients who have hired me.

2 You know nothing about my business so don't assume.

3 Just because I am an escort does not mean I can't have an opinion.

4 and because you are a client does not mean escorts have to agree

 

And yes I called you immature, NEVER old, because when people don't agree with you, you run away and start a new thread to try to validate you opinion, only providing ONE small line of an entire conversation, on top of that come one here and post about what I sent you privately. I am no longer replying to anything you post, I will take the advice of multiple people in this forum and just give up and not waste my time anymore. And for the record you are arguing with me and I agreed if I was your age I would not go on PrEP either..........

[keithhardy]

Sorry I caused such a S#$@storm with this post guys. Could an admin delete it please?

 

I didn't intend to have it break into a fight.

Seriously don't be sorry, nothing to be sorry about.

[+ WhamIAm]

I know Truvada, PrEP et al are common nowadays and sorry for this very naive question, but this thread got me wondering.....

 

are these drugs typically used only by those that prefer to only bareback and are active that way....and/or are they commonly used by sexually active people who usually use condoms but just want to be ultra-careful....or what??.....

 

thanks for some clarification....

 

Truvada was approved for use and is intended to be used in conjunction with other safer sex practices (i.e., condoms). The clinical trials for Truvada were conducted with (and the drug is only supposed to be prescribed with) required counseling on safer sex practices. I take it, and still require my partners to use condoms.

 

I don't think people take PrEP for bareback entitlement

 

Respectfully beg to differ. I do a lot of HIV counseling with teens and twenty-somethings. At least from my anecdotal experience, the overall perception of the big blue pill is that it is a fail-safe alternative to condoms.

 

I have never been sexual with the opposite gender--that was what I understood defined "Gold Star Gay".

 

You are not alone. Vaginas = icky.