Dallas Escort Mafia

[Alec Andrews]

So visited Dallas this past week for 2 days... I had been once before and it was kind to me back then. This time... not so much. I literally had an 80% Flake / No Show rate on Friday. Back to Back to Back to Back...

 

They all confirmed with me the night before.. and then confirmed with me the morning of... but when the appointed time came around... no show.. and radio silence. Ok.. so one flake is normal and expected.. but a bunch all on the same day. I was perturbed.

 

Today, I meet with a wonderful new client in Baltimore and told him my woes... poor poor Alec after all.. and he said... oh.. you don't know about the notorious Dallas Escort Mafia? I said no! Apparently, and only really in Dallas, the local escorts collude together to book appts. with the traveling escorts and then obviously no show.. in an effort to encourage them to not come back.

 

So two questions:

 

1. Has anyone else ever heard of this? Specifically in Dallas or are there other places?

 

2. Lets say that this is true... If I went back to Dallas and asked a client for a $50 show of good faith paypal deposit (which I hate doing and only ever make people do for plane tickets).. Would that turn you off as a potential real client? I suspect so.... so then what to do? Let the local escorts win and just not visit that market? Just suck it up and know that Dallas will have a high flake average?

 

Thoughts?

 

Cheers - Alec

[craigville beach]

I might suggest you just skip Dallas altogether. It sounds like on cash flow basis it was a bust for you. I'm not an escort but in my business if you are losing money going into a certain city, I'd go somewhere else. I see on you schedule that you went to Austin then Houston. Did those stops work out for you? I'm not trying to be a smart ass about it, I just don't know why you would want to go back there.

[+ Truereview]

Hmmm... Although I've never heard of the Dallas Escort Mafia, I can tell you there is loads of $ in Dallas, a very large bi, gay,and closeted community (tons of married guys who hire) and very few high caliber escorts - nothing even close to you. I lived in Dallas for 3 years and I usually served as the anchor client. My visitors would complain about the flake factor - I really didn't pay much attention bc frankly I enjoyed being a reliable client - to my benefit. I honestly never put one & two together until your post today. I'm starting to think it only takes a couple of guys to collude to make a visiting escort's trip a nightmare. My advice is to consider Dallas only if you have enough anchor clients whereby anyone else you see is simply gravy.

 

As far as the deposit, I think bc of your rep and brand, you could easily get away with asking for a deposit. I just think you should be upfront as to why you do it and let the client decide. Be ready to lose a few folks tho.

 

I wonder if @Kurtis Wolfe has any wisdom to dispense on Dallas since he may work the DFW-Central Tx-Houston triangle?

[AdamSmith]

Concur with Truereview's assessment of the local escort scene in Dallas. Thin to say the least.

[jawjateck]

I have visited Dallas many times over the years, but the market lacks quality for the most part, occasional Walter-esque-like exceptions noted. I've heard of this possible phenomenon, but never in Dallas. I find it hard to believe the current market participants could pull off that level of collusion.

 

Sorry dude. Sounds like you got screwed in the wrong way.

[jawjateck]

While I don't consent to deposits, I understand your need to consider a policy like this. All you can do is explain to potential clients the rationale. Some will balk. Some want you so bad they will give you the organ of your choice.

 

I would think just 2 visits to the city is not quite enough data to make a "never go there again" decision. You probably need a slightly larger sample size. I agree with TR about scheduling potential trips there based on anchor client availability.

[+ Truereview]

I might just take a trip to Dallas and make myself a sacrificial anchor.....

[jawjateck]

I might just take a trip to Dallas and make myself a sacrificial anchor.....

 

As GemBear's acting proxy, "attaboy!"

[sincitymix]

When it comes to Texas my experience is limited to Austin and the DFW area. Now I've never heard of nor ran into the "Dallas Escort Mafia" but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if such a thing exists. I may just be fortunate enough to not be on their "hit list".

 

The problem with DFW is that it is such a large area geographically that if you're doing an out-call, you may be driving for an hour or more just to reach a client. This is why the DFW area receives more criticism when I perform background checks, etc. because it can be a time & money waster if it turns out to be a fake booking.

 

So I'll reveal one check that I perform when doing my background check on clients. Run the number through http://www.freecarrierlookup.com/

 

It'll let you know what the carrier of the phone number is so you can get an idea if its a phone number attached to a physical phone or a virtual number attached to a Google Voice number or a burner number. In my experience, most clients will utilize a number attached to a physical phone and you will get a few every so often using Google Voice. If you notice a large number of bookings utilizing Google Voice or burner numbers, you may want to run additional verifications to determine if the booking is legitimate.

 

 

Dreamy Sigh! Isnt he so dreamy when he talks technical

[+ dutchmuch]

Sounds more like a cartel:

 

1. 
   Cartel
   In economics, a cartel is an agreement between competing firms to control prices or exclude entry of a new competitor in a market.
   

[+ Truereview]

When it comes to Texas my experience is limited to Austin and the DFW area. Now I've never heard of nor ran into the "Dallas Escort Mafia" but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if such a thing exists. I may just be fortunate enough to not be on their "hit list".

 

The problem with DFW is that it is such a large area geographically that if you're doing an out-call, you may be driving for an hour or more just to reach a client. This is why the DFW area receives more criticism when I perform background checks, etc. because it can be a time & money waster if it turns out to be a fake booking.

 

So I'll reveal one check that I perform when doing my background check on clients. Run the number through http://www.freecarrierlookup.com/

 

It'll let you know what the carrier of the phone number is so you can get an idea if its a phone number attached to a physical phone or a virtual number attached to a Google Voice number or a burner number. In my experience, most clients will utilize a number attached to a physical phone and you will get a few every so often using Google Voice. If you notice a large number of bookings utilizing Google Voice or burner numbers, you may want to run additional verifications to determine if the booking is legitimate.

Maybe I will anchor in Dallas to benefit humanity and then make a trip to KurtisMecca for my own benefit and sanity.

 

Thanks for chiming in, Kurtis!

[MichiganMan]

Back to back to back appointments, not exactly appealing to me, but what the hell do I know!

[MikeyGMin]

Back to back to back appointments, not exactly appealing to me, but what the hell do I know!

 

Back to back doesn't mean every hour on the hour. It's common for traveling escorts and something tells me that Alec knows his limits.

[+ azdr0710]

I think it was the other EOY candidates messin' with Alec

[loverboy95]

I haven't heard of such a thing, but I'm not surprised that it may exist. Now you will be more prepared next time!

[sincitymix]

wasn't there a thread in the archives about some escorts doing that to other escorts?

[+ Gar1eth]

About 12 to 15 years ago, Dallas had a reasonably good selection of escorts. Even back then a guy like you Alec was rare. But there were multiple porn stars-and many of them had good reputations like Chris Steele and Jim Slade. There were some nice non-porn star escorts too. After that time, there might still have been porn stars in the area but they didn't necessarily escort. Also the quality of the non porn escorts went down too. I've lived in the Dallas area before several times for a year or two at time. It seems whenever Dallas has had a resurgence of good escorts, it occurs either right before I move there or right after I've moved away.

 

Currently I've been away from the Dallas area for three years. The escort scene wasn't great when I left. And in general except for Walter-and maybe a few others who have surfaced since then, it's remained mediocre if you like athletic to muscular versatile or bottom guys.

 

That being said. I've never heard of escorts in Dallas doing that. I don't think any of the escorts I used to hire 3 to 9 years ago would have needed to do that. But I don't know about the current cadre of escorts.

 

As Kurtis Wolfe says-Dallas is really spread out. It's not probably as big as the LA area-but it's big especially if you include Ft. Worth. I don't know if that influenced any of your no shows, Alec.

 

I wonder if the time of year may have influenced it-with all the holidays and presents, could discretionary spending be decreased as well as a need for guys to stay closer with their families?

 

Gman

[+ Truereview]

I wonder if the time of year may have influenced it-with all the holidays and presents, could discretionary spending be decreased as well as a need for guys to stay closer with their families?

I would buy that except why would clients have a holiday change of heart like this:

 

They all confirmed with me the night before.. and then confirmed with me the morning of... but when the appointed time came around... no show.. and radio silence. Ok.. so one flake is normal and expected.. but a bunch all on the same day. I was perturbed.

[Mikegaite]

In Dallas, the only flakes I have had are snow flakes. Actually, I've had a few flakes in Dallas during my trips there, but no more than usual. I can PM you some info on potential flakes for your upcoming travel cities.

 

I've used deposits before in the rarest of circumstances; you can probably get away with it. If you like, I can start compiling a list of clients who subsequently post that they would never consider hiring an escort who has asked for a deposit :-).

[Zman]

Bummer to hear about this kind of thing. It's hard enough for good escorts and clients to find each other. Is it necessarily due to rivals escorts? There are others out there who love to screw with escorts (and clients). It could be something akin to internet trolling, etc.

[TruHart1]

Hmmm... Although I've never heard of the Dallas Escort Mafia, I can tell you there is loads of $ in Dallas, a very large bi, gay,and closeted community (tons of married guys who hire) and very few high caliber escorts - nothing even close to you. I lived in Dallas for 3 years and I usually served as the anchor client. My visitors would complain about the flake factor - I really didn't pay much attention bc frankly I enjoyed being a reliable client - to my benefit. I honestly never put one & two together until your post today. I'm starting to think it only takes a couple of guys to collude to make a visiting escort's trip a nightmare. My advice is to consider Dallas only if you have enough anchor clients whereby anyone else you see is simply gravy.

 

As far as the deposit, I think bc of your rep and brand, you could easily get away with asking for a deposit. I just think you should be upfront as to why you do it and let the client decide. Be ready to lose a few folks tho.

 

I wonder if @Kurtis Wolfe has any wisdom to dispense on Dallas since he may work the DFW-Central Tx-Houston triangle?

Concur with Truereview's assessment of the local escort scene in Dallas. Thin to say the least.

I travel to Dallas as a client on quite a regular basis. I do beg to differ that the escort choice is thin though, simply because I have three absolute favorites I always try to see when I am in the Big D: Logan Brock, Luca, and Walter, all of whom shall be named in my "honorable mention" list this year!!! You, Alec, are in the same class for me as these three men, i.e., one of the very best of the best!

 

I've never heard of this Dallas Escort Mafia myself either, but a $50 deposit (with a brief explanation of your reasons) for an escort as excellent as yourself should do no more than ferret out those who actually have no serious intention of seeing you!

 

Best of luck Alec, if you choose to return to that market. Should you decide not to, the "escort mafia," whatever they may or not be, has succeeded and it is certainly all the potential clients of Dallas's loss!

 

TruHart1

[Juan Vancouver]

Alec,

 

So sorry to read you went through that. Sadly I am not surprised at all. I had a very similar experience in Chicago. It became clear the same people were booking appointments and not showing up. There was a clear pattern, the same style in communication, similar requests. Enquire, call to confirm, confirm an hour before, then radio silence. It was systematic and deliberate.

 

I know how this could seriously damage your bottom line, and can only say I am sorry you experienced this.

 

In my case I don't know whether it was other escorts or a layman. I am not one to take necessary risks. Whether it was the perceived competition or an unhinged guy with a vendetta, I will simply skip Chicago. Pity, because it's a city I truly love.

 

Hope you keep making more people smile and giving the profession a good name.

[JDXXX]

Hi Alec,

 

Sorry to chime in so late into the thread as I just walked in door of my hotel room here in Orlando, FL from seeing a client, but wanted to give my two cents into the unfortunate situation you had during your dramatic visit in Dallas, TX recently.

 

First of all, baby - My deepest apologies hearing of the horrifying news regarding these despicable group of escorts who seem to take pleasure in not only giving working guys in our line of work a bad name by terrorizing Class-Act escorts such as yourself, but also making false inquires playing off as a client in order to lure visiting and innocent escorts into they're game is just plain disgusting to me.

 

I can relate to your situation(along with other A-listed escorts, such as Juan, Kurtis, Mike Gaite Killian, and a few other escorts I may have forgot to mention), Alec as the same problematic occurrences happened to me during my third visit in Dallas back in 2013 as I could never figure out why I was having so many people call in to inquire about scheduling a concrete appointment and cancel/vanish clear out of sight at the very last minute, and in some cases - not show up for the appointment altogether. What a shitty thing to do to someone right?

 

I remember in one instance back last year, one of the clients who booked an appointment with me 2 weeks prior to my arrival in Dallas canceled at the last minute. This client happen to have an appointment with me an hour after his photo shoot, but Lord and behold, he canceled 15 minutes before the scheduled appointment stating he was too "sore" after getting topped for 8 hours the night before to follow through with the appointment at the moment. This sort of madness was continuously happening for 3 days straight out of my 7 day duration in Dallas to a point I was ready to throw in the towel and leave early - unfortunately, I did terminate my stay in Dallas due to the inconsistency dealing more with a pool of flakes then stable appointments, and went on to NYC instead to try and recover all the monies I lost from my failed trip in Dallas which financially was a disaster.

 

Luckily, I broke even in NYC, and recovered the funds I lost during that horrific stay in Dallas successfully.

 

My first visit in Dallas I was on fire with back-to-back clients left and right, but going towards the second, and third visits weren't as promising or successful as the first.

 

Alec, it's a relief to hear you, Juan, Kurtis Killian, Mike, and a few other escorts in the industry, suffering through the same problems in DFW I was experiencing as I now know I wasn't alone with the problems I was facing there. Speaking from experience, such unfortunate circumstances in Dallas happened to me on previous visits more then once.

 

However, I didn't let these imposters(Escort Mafia) get the best of me by stopping me going back for future visits. If I refrained from returning back to Dallas, it would let them win of what these individuals were trying to accomplish.

 

Sometimes baby you have to roll with the punches in order to get back positive results in the end, and that means for you to keep shining, and not let them win by showing how this may have affected you by possibly throwing in the towel. I believe these Dallas escort mafia team are targeting escorts from out of town due to fear. They're reacting out of fear of you or any out-of-town escort being tough competition - especially stellar - class act escort like yourself to come on they're turf - Hell yeah - they're gonna be out to hunt for those who are a threat to them hurting they're business.

 

You can't let them get the best of you, baby as you need to be of an example and show them what your made of. Go back to Dallas, fight with you're shield of armor - your sword of courage and strength, and show these guys you're no push over to they're manipulative games and wicked strategies in discouraging you to succeed in they're hometown as you have a right to work there as much as they do - if not more seeing how your better quality of a human being they are.

 

Even out-smart these bastards with your brilliance and charm if you have to.... meaning if you need to generate a deposit in order to see if some of these clients are serious, and legit to not lose further business when you visit Dallas from now on - so be it. Trust me, baby - if these so-called clients who contact you want you bad enough - they'll fork over the deposit your requesting which isn't asking too much considering the circumstances. If these guys are hesitate and iffy about such a request, and give you a hard time even after the fact you have gave an explanation as to why you require a deposit - that's a "red flag" meaning....BINGO - they're out to get you, and you cant let that happen - no siree.

 

Another suggestion I would like to share with you is to consider not going back to Dallas until you either:

 

(A). You have a set guaranteed amount of appointments scheduled, and booked in advance with only "anchor" clients where a deposit is not required. That's the way I handle "iffy" situations and have been for 2 years. I only go to Dallas if I have a great deal of my "anchor" clients available and in town to see me during my planned visit, and I don't book the trip - UNLESS - I know I have a good amount of my guys in town, and available to book. If 50% of my client's are in town, and 50% are not - I don't go. Bottom line. It's safe to wait until the majority of them are there and available at the time your looking to visit. If 70% of the clients are available, and 30% are not - then on the way we go. Haha.

 

(B). Those who are not "Anchor" clients - do a $50.00-$100.00 deposit - especially if the tone of the call when they inquire or book an appointment sounds very off or iffy. I wouldn't chance it as if the nature of the call sounds off then it could be a potential set-up from this Escort Mafia - You just never know as it's wiser(In my opinion) to play it safe, and follow your gut instinct(when it comes to complicated situations like this)--always.

 

Alec - You're one hell of an A-listed escort with stellar qualities to bring to the table ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE you go as it shows in your personality, wit, chart-topping stunning looks, and charm as a class-act professional. These off-the-wall losers who targeted you during your visit, bro are reeking with jealousy of you and anyone of your high status and caliber getting in they're way of success. Don't give them the time of day, man. You keep touring there with a game plan, and don't bite into they're bait as your THE BEST at what you do, and on the top of your game.

 

Keep smiling, and doing many good works as I'm so sorry, baby you had to endure this awful experience during your stay in DFW, and will say it sadden me along with everyone else here on the forum to read of the disappointment and humiliation you've experience letting us know what happened to you.

 

Keep in mind, Alec we all here are in your corner as we're all glad you took the time out of your evening to forewarn and share this news with us that we as clients and escorts need to know, and be notified of for future reference in what to look out for.

 

Thank you, Alec for alerting us of this escort mafia group. It's clear now who's most likely been causing problems for escorts to succeed peacefully there in Dallas. I think they're are a great deal of people outside of this "Mafia" group who flake as well on escorts all the time, but we all can feel better to know in the back of our minds, there could be this destructive group of escorts who is targeting other escorts from out of town. I think this is a good wake-up call for us escorts to have a game plan to be on alert while visiting/working in Dallas.

 

Hugs, and be of good cheer....:cool:

 

[MiamiLooker]

I think it was the other EOY candidates messin' with Alec

Would this surprise anyone? Winning is everything.

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[killianjamesnyc]

Oh Dallas! Whenever I think of Dallas I think of the definition of insanity. Doing the same action on repeat and expecting a different result everytime. Twice was enough to know that it'd be insane to make another investment by going there on my own dime. Dallas hell no, Houston HELL YES I can never get me enough Houston.