411 on Dakota, Annapolis, are these picts real?

[jjkrkwood]

I sympathize with much of what you've written, but have to draw the line here. No one can make others open their hearts and minds, and let go of their prejudices, which almost all of us have in some shape or form. But I categorically reject the false equivalency between the experience of being the subject of discriminatory practices, and that of being subject to the backlash against such practices. The "real injustice" is not that members of this community have taken these two escorts (including the guy in the other thread) to task for their racially discriminatory business practices.

 

I suppose it's better that Dakota, unlike that POS referenced in the other thread, informs prospective clients in advance that he refuses black clients, so as to avoid an awkward encounter down the road. But that's where white privilege comes into play. It may be awkward for the white escort, but it's far more than awkward for the client of color. As someone who has personally experienced racial discrimination, I can tell you that it's deeply offensive, hurtful, anger-inducing, and does violence to one's spirit. That's not to say that you want to give power to others so that they can hurt you. But there are certain things, given this particular cultural and historical backdrop, that resonate much more deeply, so "just let it fucking go" doesn't even begin to address that. It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that.

 

I don't believe Dakota has ever explained his reasons on this thread, despite chiming in with some cute comments here and there, including a since-deleted joke about black guys being super hung (kind of inappropriate to invoke racial stereotypes here given the overall subject matter, but hey...). No one but Dakota himself knows the true motivation behind his actions.* He may not perceive himself to be racist, and might just not be sexually attracted to black guys, while having no other issues with blacks or any other groups of people. So it may be as simple as his belief or assumption that he could not perform with a black man. Or he may actually have full-blown racist attitudes against black people, and therefore want nothing to do with them in any capacity, including escort work. Or maybe it's somewhere between those extremes. Only Dakota can say what his real reasons are, assuming he's even given it that much thought. I get the sense from his comments that this is not a big deal to him, and if so, then it's unlikely this has been a subject of deep introspection. In any event, I think it's unfortunate that anyone has racial prejudices on any level, including the selection of their sexual and romantic partners. But life isn't perfect, and neither are we. I wish the best to Dakota and everyone else who's participated in these two threads.

 

*The other escort seemed to have a particular prejudice against American blacks, since he was willing to make an exception with the client who started that thread because he had a British accent. That suggests that it wasn't about sexual attraction, per se, but racial prejudice, particularly as animated by American-style racist attitudes against black Americans.

 

YES Strafe, this is a very complicated issue and affects people deeply, but I will bet my life that many of those yapping about racism here with this escort thread are staunch supporters of Donald Trump who arrogantly makes his racist comments to widespread approval. You cannot CHOOSE the times and circumstances for Racism. You either are or you aint....

 

As for this comment: It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that. It IS very much the same thing and just as hurtful to those people that are Fat, fem or Old. Diminishing the feelings of these people is a bit insensitive of you.

[jjkrkwood]

 

 

 

No fags allowed?

YES, this exists. I agree, but what's the point. Gay people have been discriminated against Forever...

 

 

 

An escort is not attracted to 95% of the guys who hired him because they're old (like me) or overweight (like many of yinz). The main part of the business is having the stomach of having sex with guys who are not appealing. But if your stomach is not that strong, that's just a silly notion...

 

Calling someone who's a business man and a service provider who openly advertises in this ad "no blacks" a racist is a long shot? C'mon!

 

 

I never implied the escort WASN'T racist. All I asked is WHY that is any of MY business ?. It isnt.... If an escort chooses to exclude ME for any reason, all I can do about it is move on and select a different escort who has no problem with me. I think that's a more mature approach than whining about it. The escort here is voluntarily letting you know where he stands, so for those thinking that "outting" him with labels is helping others is just "a bit late to the party".. And all they are really doing is grandstanding their own political correctness.

And since this is the internet, what people say here is not always how they Really feel. Many respond in a way that makes them more "acceptable" to their peers here which facilitates their time on the board... I clearly dont care about having an easy time here. God knows. But at least I am staying true to my beliefs..

[marylander1940]

I never implied the escort WASN'T racist. All I asked is WHY that is any of MY business ?. It isnt.... If an escort chooses to exclude ME for any reason, all I can do about it is move on and select a different escort who has no problem with me. I think that's a more mature approach than whining about it. The escort here is voluntarily letting you know where he stands, so for those thinking that "outting" him with labels is helping others is just "a bit late to the party".. And all they are really doing is grandstanding their own political correctness.

And since this is the internet, what people say here is not always how they Really feel. Many respond in a way that makes them more "acceptable" to their peers here which facilitates their time on the board... I clearly dont care about having an easy time here. God knows. But at least I am staying true to my beliefs..

 

We're on the same page on that phrase.

 

I think we agree he shows too much attitude for this kind of business, will other groups be blacklisted in the future from hiring him.

 

Let's just move on, Annapolis ain't Detroit or Harlem, that phrase might give him a surge of calls in one of the few heavily republican cities in the East Coast.

 

YES Strafe, this is a very complicated issue and affects people deeply, but I will bet my life that many of those yapping about racism here with this escort thread are staunch supporters of Donald Trump who arrogantly makes his racist comments to widespread approval. You cannot CHOOSE the times and circumstances for Racism. You either are or you aint....

 

As for this comment: It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that. It IS very much the same thing and just as hurtful to those people that are Fat, fem or Old. Diminishing the feelings of these people is a bit insensitive of you.

 

That's a personal preference for consensual sex, very different.

Edited April 2, 2016 by marylander1940

[jjkrkwood]

We're on the same page on that phrase.

 

I think we agree he shows too much attitude for this kind of business, will other groups be blacklisted in the future from hiring him.

 

Let's just move on, Annapolis ain't Detroit or Harlem, that phrase might give him a surge of calls in one of the few heavily republican cities in the East Coast.

 

 

 

That's a personal preference for consensual sex, very different.

 

Yes Very different, but whether its a personal preference or a racial one, its still the subjects CHOICE, and his reasons for making those choices are irrelevant. They are HIS choices to make. The fact the WE disapprove is not his problem, its ours.... And the word "consensual" is just that. Not Mandatory. So we are basically condeming a man for making a consensual choice simply because the element of Race, which bothers US, comes into play ?

[Will Do]

So no one has responded to the elephant in the room. Next time I see a client asking for a twink, a Black guy, an Asian, a hairy guy or one of the many other wants they have I'll be sure to post that they're racist and should hang their heads in shame - cause guess what - all of these are attributes that a person can't change. I've known enough escorts who have been hurt badly by clients calling them fat, ugly and other mean spirited names. Most of the times their opinion wasn't even asked for, it's more like a person posting if anyone knows anything about a specific escort and having to endure a bunch of posts about why that escort is too inked, old, young, whatever. By the way Dakota, welcome to the board. You've certainly entered with a bang.

 

THANK-YOU Newly. Hit that damn nail!

 

You've just said exactly what's been needing to be said.

 

I, for one, appreciate this.

[Will Do]

We're on the same page on that phrase.

 

I think we agree he shows too much attitude for this kind of business, will other groups be blacklisted in the future from hiring him.

 

Let's just move on, Annapolis ain't Detroit or Harlem, that phrase might give him a surge of calls in one of the few heavily republican cities in the East Coast.

 

 

Let me just remind you I suggested that Let's just move on yesterday.

 

This dead horse is a damn bloody mess of pulp.

[Strafe13]

YES Strafe, this is a very complicated issue and affects people deeply, but I will bet my life that many of those yapping about racism here with this escort thread are staunch supporters of Donald Trump who arrogantly makes his racist comments to widespread approval. You cannot CHOOSE the times and circumstances for Racism. You either are or you aint....

 

As for this comment: It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that. It IS very much the same thing and just as hurtful to those people that are Fat, fem or Old. Diminishing the feelings of these people is a bit insensitive of you.

 

Now this is venturing into the realm of absurdity. I find it difficult to believe that most of the people on this thread "yapping about racism here" (and I interpret that as your characterization of those who think excluding entire racial groups is abhorrent) would be supporting the most blatantly racist political campaign we've seen in decades. I get that you're invested in articulating the contrarian/non-PC position, but resorting to such hyperbole only does you a disservice.

 

And with all due respect, when it comes to the portion of my post that you quoted in red font, I don't think you know what you're talking about. I recall from our past disagreement on this topic that you don't identify as a person of color, so I suspect that you have no personal experience as a victim of racism, although I think you previously analogized it to anti-semitism (but my memory could be off on that last part). I'm both a person of color and have been overweight my whole life. I've experienced all manner of discrimination on both of those grounds, and the impact is much deeper when I'm mistreated because of my race, due to the immense historical and cultural baggage attached to that subject. In our society, race means something with respect to identity (at least to those for whom race has historically been a marker of inferiority, and the means through which individual and institutional/structural mistreatment has been applied) that is entirely different from other characteristics. I never said that being mistreated for other reasons does not hurt. But it is markedly different. If you disagree, then that's your prerogative, but on certain subjects, where personal experience and wisdom really matters, not all opinions are equal.

 

Respectfully,

Edited April 2, 2016 by Strafe13

[jjkrkwood]

I'm MOVIN ON......

 

http://www.websophist.com/Hitchhiker_HunkSignTransparencyDCO.jpg

 

http://bestgaybloggers.com/photolibrary/gaylove/done/Are-you-a-naked-hitchhiker.jpg

[Will Do]

Hey Guys! Broadway show tunes and some hoofing are always spirit-lifting!

 

Head on over to Comedy & Tragedy for Respite from The Deli - Some Tap Dancing!

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/respite-from-the-deli-some-tap-dancing.113153/

Edited April 2, 2016 by Will Do

[Will Do]

I'm MOVIN ON......

 

http://www.websophist.com/Hitchhiker_HunkSignTransparencyDCO.jpg

 

http://bestgaybloggers.com/photolibrary/gaylove/done/Are-you-a-naked-hitchhiker.jpg

 

I wanna go with.

[marylander1940]

Let me just remind you I suggested that Let's just move on yesterday.

 

This dead horse is a damn bloody mess of pulp.

 

[Kenny]

So no one has responded to the elephant in the room. Next time I see a client asking for a twink, a Black guy, an Asian, a hairy guy or one of the many other wants they have I'll be sure to post that they're racist and should hang their heads in shame - cause guess what - all of these are attributes that a person can't change. I've known enough escorts who have been hurt badly by clients calling them fat, ugly and other mean spirited names. Most of the times their opinion wasn't even asked for, it's more like a person posting if anyone knows anything about a specific escort and having to endure a bunch of posts about why that escort is too inked, old, young, whatever. By the way Dakota, welcome to the board. You've certainly entered with a bang.

You have no idea what racism is, do you. None. Zero. Zip. The elephant in your room is just an illusion, only seen by you.

[Kenny]

I sympathize with much of what you've written, but have to draw the line here. No one can make others open their hearts and minds, and let go of their prejudices, which almost all of us have in some shape or form. But I categorically reject the false equivalency between the experience of being the subject of discriminatory practices, and that of being subject to the backlash against such practices. The "real injustice" is not that members of this community have taken these two escorts (including the guy in the other thread) to task for their racially discriminatory business practices.

 

I suppose it's better that Dakota, unlike that POS referenced in the other thread, informs prospective clients in advance that he refuses black clients, so as to avoid an awkward encounter down the road. But that's where white privilege comes into play. It may be awkward for the white escort, but it's far more than awkward for the client of color. As someone who has personally experienced racial discrimination, I can tell you that it's deeply offensive, hurtful, anger-inducing, and does violence to one's spirit. That's not to say that you want to give power to others so that they can hurt you. But there are certain things, given this particular cultural and historical backdrop, that resonate much more deeply, so "just let it fucking go" doesn't even begin to address that. It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that.

 

I don't believe Dakota has ever explained his reasons on this thread, despite chiming in with some cute comments here and there, including a since-deleted joke about black guys being super hung (kind of inappropriate to invoke racial stereotypes here given the overall subject matter, but hey...). No one but Dakota himself knows the true motivation behind his actions.* He may not perceive himself to be racist, and might just not be sexually attracted to black guys, while having no other issues with blacks or any other groups of people. So it may be as simple as his belief or assumption that he could not perform with a black man. Or he may actually have full-blown racist attitudes against black people, and therefore want nothing to do with them in any capacity, including escort work. Or maybe it's somewhere between those extremes. Only Dakota can say what his real reasons are, assuming he's even given it that much thought. I get the sense from his comments that this is not a big deal to him, and if so, then it's unlikely this has been a subject of deep introspection. In any event, I think it's unfortunate that anyone has racial prejudices on any level, including the selection of their sexual and romantic partners. But life isn't perfect, and neither are we. I wish the best to Dakota and everyone else who's participated in these two threads.

 

*The other escort seemed to have a particular prejudice against American blacks, since he was willing to make an exception with the client who started that thread because he had a British accent. That suggests that it wasn't about sexual attraction, per se, but racial prejudice, particularly as animated by American-style racist attitudes against black Americans.

A-men. Well said.

[+ Travis69]

Does any one think he is putting himself in danger by posting this kind of ad?

[JDXXX]

A-men. Well said.

 

+1.

I'm with you, and Strafe all the way.

[JDXXX]

Does any one think he is putting himself in danger by posting this kind of ad?

 

I don't think danger harm wise, but he could get(if not already) a bad reputation for being a racist based on his refusal to service Black men in his Rentmen.com ad.

 

I'm surprise Rentmen.com would allow someone to state such discrimination on there site in the first place.

[bigvalboy]

THIS...One more time

I never implied the escort WASN'T racist. All I asked is WHY that is any of MY business ?. It isnt.... If an escort chooses to exclude ME for any reason, all I can do about it is move on and select a different escort who has no problem with me. I think that's a more mature approach than whining about it. The escort here is voluntarily letting you know where he stands, so for those thinking that "outting" him with labels is helping others is just "a bit late to the party".. And all they are really doing is grandstanding their own political correctness.

 

NOW THIS...One more time

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9uj9oTOMw1qjp4z6o1_500.gif

 

Nighty night all....

[jjkrkwood]

 

NOW THIS...One more time

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9uj9oTOMw1qjp4z6o1_500.gif

 

Nighty night all....

 

AMEN Sistah !

 

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[Will Do]

Thank God this thread has slid to the 2nd page in The Deli postings!!

 

I thought we'd never see the end of this one.

 

Well, dammit, fuck me, look what I've done now!!

[marylander1940]

Thank God this thread has slid to the 2nd page in The Deli postings!!

 

I thought we'd never see the end of this one.

 

Well, dammit, fuck me, look what I've done now!!

 

You've done nothing but promoting him...

 

Whatever happened with this escort? Only 2 guys in Annapolis now... every time I go there I get horny

 

 

http://www.newnownext.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/navy-3.jpg

 

[niceandthick]

No black guys please.

 

~ Boomer ~

 

So I came to the message board to give praise to @Dakota. I saw him this weekend and had a very pleasant experience. Before creating a new post, I decided to do a search to see if their were other posts on him. Boy was I surprised to see this thread.

 

Why? Because I am a Black male, over 50 years old, and 300lbs+. I am a Black version of Client B in the quoted post below. By reading this thread, it seems that I would have been rejected as a client by Dakota. I was not. I was welcomed with open arms. In fact, I extended my session from 60mins to 90mins. I don't know if Dakota has had a change of heart because of this thread or if there was some other opinion alerting event in his life, but I am grateful for it.

 

For full disclosure, I hired @Dakota for a massage session. Although it was very erotic and interactive, it was not an escort session.

 

 

 

... When your Rentmen profile is read you come across as sexually open and willing to adapt to various situations. ...however your outright refusal to see black clients does not make you look good (in my opinion).

 

Yes, but maybe he should say why he won't take "black" money in exchange for sex.

 

If I was an escort I wouldn't discriminate at all but I'd rather being hired by client A instead of client B.

 

To each his own.

 

Client A

 

http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/BlackManSmiling_Compressed.jpg

 

client B

 

http://previews.123rf.com/images/gelpi/gelpi1206/gelpi120600108/14113409-Fat-man-running-isolated-on-white-background-Stock-Photo.jpg

 

why does he have to

 

BTW nobody has ever looked like client B that contacted me. Also why does he gotta be overweight lol

 

You've done nothing but promoting him...

 

Whatever happened with this escort? Only 2 guys in Annapolis now... every time I go there I get horny

 

 

 

 

He is Annapolis. That is where I went to see him for incall.

[marylander1940]

So I came to the message board to give praise to @Dakota. I saw him this weekend and had a very pleasant experience. Before creating a new post, I decided to do a search to see if their were other posts on him. Boy was I surprised to see this thread.

 

Why? Because I am a Black male, over 50 years old, and 300lbs+. I am a Black version of Client B in the quoted post below. By reading this thread, it seems that I would have been rejected as a client by Dakota. I was not. I was welcomed with open arms. In fact, I extended my session from 60mins to 90mins. I don't know if Dakota has had a change of heart because of this thread or if there was some other opinion alerting event in his life, but I am grateful for it.

 

For full disclosure, I hired @Dakota for a massage session. Although it was very erotic and interactive, it was not an escort session.

 

He is Annapolis. That is where I went to see him for incall.

 

I'm pleasantly surprised you had such a good experience with him!

[Good Grief]

I'm pleasantly surprised you had such a good experience with him!

 

Oh, shut yinz and your other parts up.

[mark simms]

Has anyone seen or heard from Dakota recently? I saw him about a month ago and had one of the best massage experiences of my life. And was supposed to meet up again with him, but he is not answering calls texts pr anything else.. has anyone else tried to contact him?

 

https://www.masseurfinder.com/mobile/listings/view/dakotaguy/

[weldon79]

I met him last year and we had a few amazing hours together and I'm black so ....hope he's ok.