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[imrthr]

 

Early next year I hope to be in Habana, Cuba. While there I plan to meet some of its hot, big dicked men. I plan to bring along condoms and lube and am at a loss in terms which are the ones preferred by men here! I plan to take Trojans XL, but what others are out there which you prefer that I take and leave? ...would appreciate hearing from you in this regard!

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With all due respect, I don’t think you need to be concerned with condoms and lube while in Cuba. As an American citizen, you need to be concerned with being caught illegally in Cuba.

 

American citizens are not legally authorized to visit Cuba EXCEPT for being part of a licensed SUPERVISED tour.

 

“Many Americans do travel illegally to Cuba. The Cuban government welcomes Americans to visit with a passport, and Cuban customs and immigration officials know not to stamp the passports of Americans entering the country. The most common way that Americans circumvent the Cuba travel ban is to fly to a third country that has regularly scheduled flights to Cuba, such as Canada, Mexico.”

 

“Several companies located in Canada and elsewhere operate specifically to help Americans who want to travel independently to Cuba to book hotels and make other travel arrangements."

 

“If you are caught traveling illegally to Cuba, you could face hefty fines and an uncomfortable experience clearing U.S. customs.

 

Credit and debit cards issued by U.S. banks will not work in Cuba. That requires U.S. visitors to carry cash or travelers’ checks with them, which can be risky.

 

Therefore, even though Canadian and other countries companies assist Americans to illegally visit Cuba, it just isn’t worth the consequences, if caught.

[+ Axiom2001]

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With all due respect, I don’t think you need to be concerned with condoms and lube while in Cuba. As an American citizen, you need to be concerned with being caught illegally in Cuba.

 

American citizens are not legally authorized to visit Cuba EXCEPT for being part of a licensed SUPERVISED tour.

 

“Many Americans do travel illegally to Cuba. The Cuban government welcomes Americans to visit with a passport, and Cuban customs and immigration officials know not to stamp the passports of Americans entering the country. The most common way that Americans circumvent the Cuba travel ban is to fly to a third country that has regularly scheduled flights to Cuba, such as Canada, Mexico.”

 

“Several companies located in Canada and elsewhere operate specifically to help Americans who want to travel independently to Cuba to book hotels and make other travel arrangements."

 

“If you are caught traveling illegally to Cuba, you could face hefty fines and an uncomfortable experience clearing U.S. customs.

 

Credit and debit cards issued by U.S. banks will not work in Cuba. That requires U.S. visitors to carry cash or travelers’ checks with them, which can be risky.

 

Therefore, even though Canadian and other countries companies assist Americans to illegally visit Cuba, it just isn’t worth the consequences, if caught.

 

 

Your concern is unwarranted because I am going [for the second time] legally! I'm quite cognizant of the restricted travel to the largest island nation in the Caribbean of US citizens. ...will be part of a recognized "People-to-People Program!"

 

Wish you would not have hijacked with your presumptions, but I hold NO animosity toward you!

[imrthr]

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Your concern is unwarranted because I am going [for the second time] legally! I'm quite cognizant of the restricted travel to the largest island nation in the Caribbean of US citizens. ...will be part of a recognized "People-to-People Program!"

 

Wish you would not have hijacked with your presumptions,

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With all due respect, my posted information was not to “hijack” the thread, as you stated.

 

This forum is primarily to assist each other with helpful information. However, you posted information to this forum that was false and misleading. If Americans followed your advice of traveling to Cuba, unsupervised, via a booking through Canada, they could get into serious trouble with the federal government, if caught.

 

Contrary to what you posted, Americans CANNOT freely go to Cuba as a tourist. Americans can visit Cuba provided the American is a part of a licensed and SUPERVISED tour group. The supervision would not provide for visiting with escorts, as you implied.

 

See this inset from U.S. news quoting U.S. laws - http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/07/02/how-americans-can-vacation-in-cuba :

 

“In contrast the meaningful contact trips are legal ways for Americans to travel to Cuba and even get a direct flight from the U.S. to Havana. The catch with these trips is that Americans have to keep a schedule assigned by the group they travel with, they have a tour guide follow them on the entire trip, and people can’t simply break the agenda to visit Cuba’s Varadero Beach, says Chris Sabatini, senior director of policy for Council of the Americas.”

 

“Many Americans do travel illegally to Cuba.” See this article:

 

http://gocaribbean.about.com/od/cuba/a/How-To-Travel-To-Cuba-If-You-Are-An-American.htm

 

I would think the last thing you would do is admit, on a public bulletin board, that you plan to violate (and previously violated) laws with respect to the prohibition of Americans visiting Cuba, unsupervised, as a tourist.

 

If you really believe that contradicting false advice (that could land other innocent Americans in jail) is “hijacking” then I suggest you reassess your beliefs.

 

This message forum is very popular with a certain sector of society. We are here to accurately exchange ideas and suggestions and sometimes help each other.

 

I am confident that the forum owners would not want to have information posted to the forum that could get readers into serious trouble, if followed.

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[+ Axiom2001]

With all due respect, my posted information was not to “hijack” the thread, as you stated.

 

This forum is primarily to assist each other with helpful information. However, you posted information to this forum that was false and misleading. If Americans followed your advice of traveling to Cuba, unsupervised, via a booking through Canada, they could get into serious trouble with the federal government, if caught.

 

Contrary to what you posted, Americans CANNOT freely go to Cuba as a tourist. Americans can visit Cuba provided the American is a part of a licensed and SUPERVISED tour group. The supervision would not provide for visiting with escorts, as you implied.

 

See this inset from U.S. news quoting U.S. laws - http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/07/02/how-americans-can-vacation-in-cuba :

 

“In contrast the meaningful contact trips are legal ways for Americans to travel to Cuba and even get a direct flight from the U.S. to Havana. The catch with these trips is that Americans have to keep a schedule assigned by the group they travel with, they have a tour guide follow them on the entire trip, and people can’t simply break the agenda to visit Cuba’s Varadero Beach, says Chris Sabatini, senior director of policy for Council of the Americas.”

 

“Many Americans do travel illegally to Cuba.” See this article:

 

http://gocaribbean.about.com/od/cuba/a/How-To-Travel-To-Cuba-If-You-Are-An-American.htm

 

I would think the last thing you would do is admit, on a public bulletin board, that you plan to violate (and previously violated) laws with respect to the prohibition of Americans visiting Cuba, unsupervised, as a tourist.

 

If you really believe that contradicting false advice (that could land other innocent Americans in jail) is “hijacking” then I suggest you reassess your beliefs.

 

This message forum is very popular with a certain sector of society. We are here to accurately exchange ideas and suggestions and sometimes help each other.

 

I am confident that the forum owners would not want to have information posted to the forum that could get readers into serious trouble, if followed.

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Why in the hell don't you WRITE A SEPARATE POST about Cuban travel and stay off of my post regarding "lube and condoms!" This would be most appreciated!

[imrthr]

 

Why in the hell don't you WRITE A SEPARATE POST about Cuban travel and stay off of my post regarding "lube and condoms!"

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If you had limited your thread to discussing “lube and condoms” I would not have brought up unlawful travel to Cuba. It was you who brought up the subject of Cuba.

 

You persist in encouraging Americans to break the law with respect to visiting Cuba, unsupervised. Not just in this thread but in other threads and in other forums. You should be careful about self incrimination as you do not know who reads these forums.

 

Instead of restricting the subject matter of your thread to “lube and condoms” you went on to state -

 

“Early next year I hope to be in Habana, Cuba. While there I plan to meet some of its hot, big dicked men. I plan to bring along condoms and lube and am at a loss in terms which are the ones preferred by men - - .”

 

Your “hot, big dicked men” remark changed the subject of your thread to your boasting about violating federal laws relative to Americans visiting Cuba unsupervised.

 

I furnished citations confirming that Americans cannot legally travel to Cuba unless the American is part of a “LICENSED AND SUPERVISED TOUR.” All tour participants are closely supervisor and cannot take time away from the tour. However, you stated that you plan to have visits with “hot, big dick men.” Don’t you understand? If you enter Cuba legally, you will be supervised at all times. There will be no time to meet some of Cuba’s “hot, big dicked men.” However, you already admitted that you previously went (unsupervised) to Cuba by way of a third country (Canada) which is forbidden for U.S. citizens.

 

I did not make a separate thread because this is the thread where you boasted about breaking the law and implying to other readers that they, also, could visit Cuba and find “hot, big dick men.”

 

I called you out on this subject last year when you made your thread about Americans visiting Cuba, via Canada. But, here you go again with the same nonsense.

 

I like this forum and most of the posters here. I would not like to learn that one or more of the members here acted on your erroneous advice and got into serious trouble with the United States government for unlawfully visiting Cuba without being part of a supervised and licensed tour.

 

There are countless posts to this forum. Logically, the moderators or owners don’t have time to scrutinize, for accuracy or consequences, every post made to this forum.

 

Nonetheless, I believe the owners of this site would not knowingly condone members encouraging other members to violate federal laws as you have done in your posts relative to visiting Cuba to find “hot, big dick men.”

 

Opening another thread would not stop the harm you have already done with your prior posts in connection with Americans visiting Cuba (via Canada) unsupervised. I previously furnished citations to the law and to articles about visiting Cuba, but you continue, notwithstanding.

 

If you or anyone still has doubts, look above at post # 14 wherein there are citations concerning Americans traveling to Cuba.

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[LookingAround]

This is absurd. Americans can lawfully visit Cuba, as has been noted above, as part of a group. "Supervised" does not mean surveilled 1:1 24/7. I have been to Cuba and I was free to go out on my own, easily, and at will. No one indicated they wanted or were assigned to supervise me. Your definition of this is not shared apparently by any authorities in the US or Cuba. Stop trying to scare people with your legalistic Halloweenesque rants.

[imrthr]

 

This is absurd. Americans can lawfully visit Cuba, as has been noted above, as part of a group. "Supervised" does not mean surveilled 1:1 24/7. I have been to Cuba and I was free to go out on my own, easily, and at will. No one indicated they wanted or were assigned to supervise me. Your definition of this is not shared apparently by any authorities in the US or Cuba. Stop trying to scare people with your legalistic Halloweenesque rants.

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What is absurd is your lack of knowledge and your failure to read the citations provided above in post # 14.

 

Had you read those citations or had you done research before you made your foolish post, you would realize that you are not correct.

 

I furnished citations for what I wrote. Can you furnish anything other than your scepticism or your opinion based on a tour you claim to have taken that supposedly allowed you to tour Cuba unsupervised? I think not.

 

You said you went to Cuba and “was free to go out on my own, easily and at will.” Legally licensed Cuban tours do not permit American participants to freely mingle on their own.

 

Can you explain why no U.S. travel agency or airline will book an American for tourism in Cuba, except via a supervised and licensed tour?

 

Can you explain why the American originator of this post boasts that he is traveling to Cuba via Canada rather than traveling to Cuba using an American travel agency? The answer is quite simple, it is not legally allowed to do so.

 

If, as you claim, you were free to tour Cuba (as an American) unsupervised, you had to have entered Cuba via a third country or you must be exempt as “family” of Cuban residents.

 

Americans entering Cuba via a third country are subject to fines and penalties and under some circumstances, criminal penalties.

 

There are companies in Canada and Mexico that assist Americans to visit Cuba illegally. These companies use marketing techniques claiming to be “licensed” tours. However, those “licensed” tours are not licensed by the U.S. Government. Using such a company is discussed in one of the citations that you apparently failed to read in post number 14, above.

 

It is easy for you to hide behind an Internet screen and post false and inaccurate information without furnishing a citation. Let us see you furnish a verifiable citation telling us that Americans can freely visit Cuba such as you claim. Simple - you can’t.

 

In the meantime, I urge readers of this forum to reject inaccurate posts made in this forum falsely alleging that Americans can legally travel to Cuba for unsupervised tourism.

 

Let’s see those authoritative citations confirming what you wrote!

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[+ Axiom2001]

Well, men, the trip has been paid for in full; it's "LEGAL" for those few who are concerned, and I thank "ALL" for their recommendations in conjunction with my very initial request. Have purchased two bottles of the Hybrid lube. ...will make my condom purchases in January of 2015. Have already been in contact with a few escorts who 'LEGALLY' advertise on http://www.gayromeo.com and a gay guide [Yunior] who has his information which can be obtained via http://www.google.com and whose services I'll use for a night time "GAY HABANA TOUR." He doesn't intervene in my obtaining some of the hot local males, so I'll use the contact info. I received at another Forum here!

 

Again, muchas gracias/thank you/merci/danke for your recs!!!!!!!

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I'm glad you raised the question. The topic of lube happens to be pertinent to me right now. I too have a trip to Cuba planned and have learned from a recent experience in Spain that it can be tough to find the ideal lube at the local farmacia. Based on the advice from Jax92, I'll probably bring along a small bottle/tube of hybrid lube -- just as long as it fits into the quart size plastic baggy along with my other liquids, gels, creams and pastes. We'll see if a get a knowing wink from one of the TSA employees. (...and thank-you in advance to imrthr for the advice on legal travel to Cuba. No need to repeat it for me.)

 

Well, I'm set, thanks to the recommendations made to my question: I am taking two bottles of SPUNK hybrid personal lube with me. Don't expect to use both bottles during a week's stay, so I'll donate it to that hot guy who left me breathless as well as basking in many "afterglows!"

[Guy Fawkes]

Final Warning: Daddy Did This Instead of Grinching them....

[LookingAround]

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What is absurd is your lack of knowledge and your failure to read the citations provided above in post # 14.

 

Had you read those citations or had you done research before you made your foolish post, you would realize that you are not correct.

 

I furnished citations for what I wrote. Can you furnish anything other than your scepticism or your opinion based on a tour you claim to have taken that supposedly allowed you to tour Cuba unsupervised? I think not.

 

You said you went to Cuba and “was free to go out on my own, easily and at will.” Legally licensed Cuban tours do not permit American participants to freely mingle on their own.

 

Can you explain why no U.S. travel agency or airline will book an American for tourism in Cuba, except via a supervised and licensed tour?

 

Can you explain why the American originator of this post boasts that he is traveling to Cuba via Canada rather than traveling to Cuba using an American travel agency? The answer is quite simple, it is not legally allowed to do so.

 

If, as you claim, you were free to tour Cuba (as an American) unsupervised, you had to have entered Cuba via a third country or you must be exempt as “family” of Cuban residents.

 

Americans entering Cuba via a third country are subject to fines and penalties and under some circumstances, criminal penalties.

 

There are companies in Canada and Mexico that assist Americans to visit Cuba illegally. These companies use marketing techniques claiming to be “licensed” tours. However, those “licensed” tours are not licensed by the U.S. Government. Using such a company is discussed in one of the citations that you apparently failed to read in post number 14, above.

 

It is easy for you to hide behind an Internet screen and post false and inaccurate information without furnishing a citation. Let us see you furnish a verifiable citation telling us that Americans can freely visit Cuba such as you claim. Simple - you can’t.

 

In the meantime, I urge readers of this forum to reject inaccurate posts made in this forum falsely alleging that Americans can legally travel to Cuba for unsupervised tourism.

 

Let’s see those authoritative citations confirming what you wrote!

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You seem to know more about my trip than I did and I'm the one who went!

 

I did not visit Cuba via a third country. I flew on a (then) Continental Airlines charter flight from Florida, cleared by the US Customs and Border Protection. This was a legal trip.

 

You're very misinformed but VERY (wrongly) opinionated.

[imrthr]

 

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You seem to know more about my trip than I did and I'm the one who went!

 

I did not visit Cuba via a third country. I flew on a (then) Continental Airlines charter flight from Florida, cleared by the US Customs and Border Protection. This was a legal trip.

 

You're very misinformed but VERY (wrongly) opinionated.

 

 

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Thank you for your response to my post.

 

In your response, you wrote that I “seem to know more about” your trip then you do. Since I don’t know you, that cannot be correct.

 

This newly created thread has been edited and omits citations that were in my original posts. I can understand your confusion and how you might think that I was referring to all tourism to Cuba.

 

Posts that encourage other forum members to intentionally violate federal laws and visit Cuba without a valid license can have serious consequences. That is the issue of my challenges you only partially saw.

 

You wrote that your trip was lawful and, since I know nothing of you, I assume that your trip was lawful. Not all tourism to Cuba is unlawful.

 

My previous posts concerned Americans who visit Cuba without going there with a required and valid LICENSE.

 

These are supervised trips and are authorized only through People-to-People licenses, granted by The U.S. Treasury Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC).

 

According to the U.S. Treasury Department, less than ten tour operators have been granted a People-to-People license.

 

Please go to the below web link and also to the pull down menus in the link to determine the difference between a lawful licensed visit to Cuba (like you said you had) compared to the type of trips (unsupervised tourism including visiting with escorts) advocated by the posters whose posts I challenged.

 

http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/cuba.html

 

I hope this clears up your misunderstanding.

[Guy Fawkes]

Oh my! The Grinch has arrived...

 

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[Guy Fawkes]

Traveling to Cuba Legally...

 

[imgalign=right]http://www.legalcubatravel.com/CGI/images/130OFAC_summary.gif[/imgalign]

For those that would like the Department of Treasury take on this issue they have a PDF for your reading pleasure: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/cuba.pdf

 

The last time I checked (about a decade ago) I qualified in four different areas to legally visit Cuba. It would appear that since 2011 it's been made even easier:

 

"The General License is a simple do-it-yourself process. You do not submit an application or request approval from Washington. You produce a couple documents which together serve as your license to travel to Cuba legally. It's that easy. It is fast and free. -

http://www.legalcubatravel.com

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(We now return you to your program in progress)