Shia LaBeouf: I was raped...

[marylander1940]

"One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for ten minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me. ...There were hundreds of people in line when she walked out with disheveled hair and smudged lipstick. It was no good, not just for me but her man as well. On top of that my girl (actress Mia Goth) was in line to see me, because it was Valentine's Day and I was living in the gallery for the duration of the event -- we were separated for five days, no communication. So it really hurt her as well, as I guess the news of it traveled through the line. When she came in she asked for an explanation, and I couldn't speak, so we both sat with this unexplained trauma silently. It was painful."

 

More follows...

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/11/28/shia-labeouf-i-was-raped/19608751/

 

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[bigvalboy]

I'm sorry, I can't take this seriously. Speechless.

[Guest]

Well, even if things were as he said they were, it doesn't sound as if his clothes were even off, so I think the term "battery" would be more appropriate than "rape." I'm not quite sure I even understand the situation, but it sounds as if he was simply sitting in a chair and voluntarily allowing people to do what they wanted--a whole line of people, in fact. For something consensual, I would have liked to have heard some word from the alleged victim indicating lack of consent, with "stop" or "no" preferably being one of those words. At a minimum, there should have been some defensive body motions. I have a hard time believing that anything non-consensual could have taken place given the crowds present. Shia is a mentally disturbed individual, and this just sounds like a cry for attention, sympathy, and publicity.

[Gramos]

He was playing a total role game, and some woman guessed (apparently correctly) that he would sit silent, event if she molested him. It was a fetish scene.

 

Pretty sure than if someone he found offensive tried it, he would have defended himself. Maybe not. Maybe that was the scene.

 

I do believe a woman can sexually assault a man, but in this scenario it is hard to take this established pathological liar seriously.

[+ poolboy48220]

Agreed, it's hard to take this guy seriously any more.

[bostonman]

Agreed, it's hard to take this guy seriously any more.

 

Yeah. So, explain this to me. People were waiting in line outside the room to get a chance to spend an unspecified amount of time with this idiot, unsupervised? There was a whip in the room, and yet (assuming the room was not soundproof) no one was concerned after hearing 10 minutes of whipping? And he said nothing the whole time? And continued not to object when she "raped" him (whatever it was that she did that translates to rape)? None of this makes any sense to begin with, let alone the rape allegation.

 

Surely there had to be some checks and balances in place, so that if things became harmful or abusive he could stop the "game," or at least alert someone. If not, he was knowingly setting himself up for a situation exactly like this, or much worse. (Someone could have killed him, for instance.) I just don't believe it.

 

He's an attention getter, nothing more.

[adriano46]

Agreed, it's hard to take this guy seriously any more.

 

+1 (although I never took him seriously even before he was a nut job).

[jgoo]

Shia LaBeouf art show collaborators speak out about his alleged rape http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/30/shia-labeouf-collaborators-turner-ronkko-speak-alleged-rape-iamsorry-art-show

 

Two artists who collaborated with the actor Shia LaBeouf on an art project called #IAMSORRY have spoken out about his alleged rape during the performance earlier this year.

 

In an interview with Dazed magazine, LaBeouf wrote that a woman had raped him during one performance of the piece at a Los Angeles art gallery in February.

 

“One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

 

His collaborators, British artist Luke Turner and Finnish artist Nastja Säde Rönkkö, said they had intervened as soon as they became aware of the incident and “put a stop to it”.

 

Both artists posted the same statements on Twitter on Sunday, which they described as “important clarifications” about the art project.

 

“Nowhere did we state that people could do whatever they wanted to Shia during #IAMSORRY.

 

“As soon as we were aware of the incident starting to occur, we put a stop to it and ensured that the woman left.”

[bostonman]

Shia LaBeouf art show collaborators speak out about his alleged rape http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/30/shia-labeouf-collaborators-turner-ronkko-speak-alleged-rape-iamsorry-art-show

 

Two artists who collaborated with the actor Shia LaBeouf on an art project called #IAMSORRY have spoken out about his alleged rape during the performance earlier this year.

 

In an interview with Dazed magazine, LaBeouf wrote that a woman had raped him during one performance of the piece at a Los Angeles art gallery in February.

 

“One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

 

His collaborators, British artist Luke Turner and Finnish artist Nastja Säde Rönkkö, said they had intervened as soon as they became aware of the incident and “put a stop to it”.

 

Both artists posted the same statements on Twitter on Sunday, which they described as “important clarifications” about the art project.

 

“Nowhere did we state that people could do whatever they wanted to Shia during #IAMSORRY.

 

“As soon as we were aware of the incident starting to occur, we put a stop to it and ensured that the woman left.”

 

Sorry...it still doesn't make ANY sense - in fact, now, IMO, it makes even less sense than it did before. TEN minutes of WHIPPING went by, PLUS LaBeouf being stripped, before anything was "noticed" or stopped? And LaBoeuf himself was powerless to stop it? Come on...

[+ quoththeraven]

Sorry...it still doesn't make ANY sense - in fact, now, IMO, it makes even less sense than it did before. TEN minutes of WHIPPING went by, PLUS LaBeouf being stripped, before anything was "noticed" or stopped? And LaBoeuf himself was powerless to stop it? Come on...

 

But that ignores the conditions under which performance art occurs. The whole point, as I understand it (I can read much faster than I can listen to or watch a vid, and LaBoeuf gets on my nerves, so I haven't watched the video in the original post), was for LaBeouf to experience what the viewer/co-participant did in response to his performed "apology."

 

To this point, here's a link to a Guardian opinion piece about how someone doesn't have to likable to be a victim of sexual violence:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/02/shia-labeouf-sexual-violence-male-victims?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

Also, it's entirely possible that LaBeouf's perception of how much time elapsed is wrong.

 

Like many of your, my initial reaction was skepticism because LaBeouf's general credibility is so questionable, but that's changed because of his collaborators' confirmation. Though that doesn't mean LaBeouf couldn't be wrong about the details; for example, with what exactly was she whipping him? Most likely it wasn't an actual whip. A shoestring, maybe, or something else she might have on her, like a belt?

 

Also, it is possible (though less likely and more logistically difficult) for women to rape men. I haven't been able to find it again, but there's a whole recent subreddit detailing the experiences of men who've had sex they didn't consent to, including a goodly number who were raped by women. Some of them were raped by girlfriends they'd said no to before falling asleep together who then took advantage of morning/overnight wood or a blow job to use them, essentially, as human dildos, meaning that the act started while the guy was asleep.

[bostonman]

But that ignores the conditions under which performance art occurs.

WHAT conditions? What, is there something akin to the Actor's Equity rule book as to how performance art works? (Yeah, right.) And if so, I absolutely refuse to believe that a performer's safety is not addressed.

 

Also, it's entirely possible that LaBeouf's perception of how much time elapsed is wrong.

That could very well be.

 

Also, it is possible (though less likely and more logistically difficult) for women to rape men.

I don't think that was ever in doubt. Men can be raped by women, or by other men. The doubt here is how, under the circumstance of "performance art," how such a thing could have even been close to occurring.

[Guest]

Also, it is possible (though less likely and more logistically difficult) for women to rape men. I haven't been able to find it again, but there's a whole recent subreddit detailing the experiences of men who've had sex they didn't consent to, including a goodly number who were raped by women. Some of them were raped by girlfriends they'd said no to before falling asleep together who then took advantage of morning/overnight wood or a blow job to use them, essentially, as human dildos, meaning that the act started while the guy was asleep.

 

I'm sorry, but that's rather ridiculous. I man would have to be comatose not to wake up when a woman was "raping" him in that manner. Yes, it's possible for a man to drug a woman, and if the woman is unconscious and unarousable (i.e. comatose), then a man can easily rape a woman. But a comatose man is not going to have morning wood or any other type of wood. And I don't care how deep a sleeper a man is, he will wake up if a woman is having her way with him.

[armadillo]

Perhaps Rolling Stone could do a story on Shia's rape.