Comparing Escort Ads with Hook-up Ads

[jawjateck]

Several months ago I hired a nice young college boy, and he mentioned that a lot of guys market themselves on adam4adam either with an actual escort/companion ad or create a freebie and include enough suggestive words to let others know they are "available". So I created an account on a4a. I haven't met anyone from there, and have no interest, but I have saved alot of money just by browsing the listings.

 

I often see a guy's escorting ad on rentboy, rentmen, or m4rn, and think "he looks interesting", but then I happen to catch a glimpse of his hook-up ad where he declares his disgust for creepy old farts like me, and then I think "I'll pass on this one."

 

Can guys really be this dumb? Obvious answer....yes! So I have saved considerable cash. I know some escorts may have little personal desire for me, but if I don't know it, I don't care, but when the guy makes his contempt so obvious, I invest elsewhere.

 

Has anyone else compared a guy's escort/hook-up ads, and decided to pass on hiring based on the content of his hook-up ad?

[jjkrkwood]

This is not a direct answer to your question, but does shed some light on escort practive on A4A....

 

I am not the escort, just a single gay male in my 50's. Have had an A4A hookup ad running since I lost my longtime partner many years ago, and although I get many "views", i have never actually hooked with anyone from there.

 

BUT, I do constantly get hit on by escorts, who email me looking for "generous daddies" to indulge them. I guess they aint discgusted by my money, only by ME ? lol... I reply that although I am old (which is the reason they contacted me, thinking that OLD guys NEED to pay for sex)

I dont need to pay for sex yet. Actually, that is kinda the truth, I dont NEED to pay for it, but I DO when the mood strikes me, and it is strictly by MY choice....

[fedssocr1]

I don't think you can necessarily say that just because a guy doesn't want to date an old timer that he finds older guys "disgusting". Or that he wouldn't be into providing a service for a fee. I guess I have never really conflated paying a guy for sex with anything emotional. It's a transaction. Now, some guys are friendlier and better at setting a mood than others. But I think that comes down to superior acting skills if nothing else.

[jawjateck]

I'm not referring to a guy stating a dating or personal sexual preference; that's completely understandable; all of us have preferences. I have seen actual words and phrases in the ads that are beyond expressing mere preference, which reveal disdainful feelings toward older men. In and of itself, it's not insulting to me, because I don't know the guy(s) at all, but I'm certainly not going to hire him when I know he's basically "holding his nose" to get horizontal with me.

[gallahadesquire]

somewhat off topic: My latest encounters have been with someone, 24, who's MH profile says he likes slightlly unkempt, muscular men 30-40. Somehow, I think I might be *his* type. Interestingly, he's not my normal type, and he's the best sex I've had in ages. Who knew? (I'm sixty, look about late forties- early fifties).

[jjkrkwood]

somewhat off topic: My latest encounters have been with someone, 24, who's MH profile says he likes slightlly unkempt, muscular men 30-40. Somehow, I think I might be *his* type. Interestingly, he's not my normal type, and he's the best sex I've had in ages. Who knew? (I'm sixty, look about late forties- early fifties).

 

Well yes it is a bit off topic, but everything always boils down to CHEMISTRY and attraction, but I think the point here is that escorting is a business to make money like anything else, and isnt often considered to be discretionary on the part of the escort, meaning they have actting skills and are supposed to PRETEND to like you for a fee.... I think Jaws take on this situation is if the escort is verbal UPFRONT about his dislike of "mature" gents, he chooses to move on... Kudos to YOU for being a "mature gent", but still landing a "young buck"...

[josephga]

I use to have a personally ad on manhunt and ended up having to take it down. never in my personal profile did i ever mention massage but allot of people would recognize me from the massage site ads. Allot of guys would message me wanting discounts or free massages, or offering sex for the massage. biggest issue was people didn't know how to separate my business ads on massage sites from my personal ads. In my massage business I take all clients regardless of age, weight, race or whatever. But a personal life comes with personal preferences and some people don't know how to separate that. I ended up having to delete the personal ads

[Diverdan]

When I see ads or descriptions that deride the old, the out of shape, gray hair, etc. and anything that has to do with those or other seemingly less than perfect characteristics, I always wonder what life will be like for those guys when they hit 40, 50, 60 or perhaps they will even last until they are 70 or 80. I hope they remember what they were like when they decided that only certain categories of people were acceptable and desirable. I have friends that are of all ages, shapes, etc., and I have "friends with benefits" in similar categories. We do all have personal preferences that often change throughout life, and from my perspective that is no one else's business. But, I have also witnessed some very cruel behavior on the part of guys both the young and old that tells me they are most unhappy with their lives and have no ability to see beyond some surface characteristics, what ever they are. If I found an ad that differed significantly from what the escort had posted about himself, I too would stay away.

[+ Ace]

I have had both a "PRO" ad on A4A, as well as continue to have a regular ad where I elude to the fact that I am an escort..(The last line reads in CAPS: MATURE & GENEROUS GENTLEMEN TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE). Oddly enough, when I had an escort ad, my hits & interest were pretty low, (as well as receiving nasty emails & LOTS of time wasters)...Since changing over, I get more guys that understand the ad & less BS. (As my recent road mate Chris Neal said: "Your profile REEKS of hooker!...lo.

It's a pretty good tool for me when traveling, but to add to the thread, I would never use verbiage that would offend ANYONE, let alone a potential client....just not my style.

Here's the link:

http://www.adam4adam.com/?p=Acerkstar

[jjkrkwood]

I have gotten messages from guys on sites like A4A and NipplePlay etc that simply said I should be in a senior citizens home instead of online prowling for guys.....Makes me chuckle when I consider where and from whom these messages are coming from.

[josephga]

I have gotten messages from guys on sites like A4A and NipplePlay etc that simply said I should be in a senior citizens home instead of online prowling for guys.....Makes me chuckle when I consider where and from whom these messages are coming from.

 

I don't get why people have to go out of their way to message someone and say that too you or anyone. People can explain their preferences in a more tasteful way. interested in 21 to 32 sounds much better than no old trolls but gets the point across that they only want younger for hookups. white & Latino A+ sounds better than no blacks or Asians. height and weight proportional instead of saying no fat guys. attracted to masculine guys instead of no fems or queens.

[Mark450]

I was not aware that there may be a connection between the two sites but now I am afraid to go look at a4a for fear of what I might find out about some of my play partners.

[jjkrkwood]

I don't get why people have to go out of their way to message someone and say that too you or anyone. People can explain their preferences in a more tasteful way. interested in 21 to 32 sounds much better than no old trolls but gets the point across that they only want younger for hookups. white & Latino A+ sounds better than no blacks or Asians. height and weight proportional instead of saying no fat guys. attracted to masculine guys instead of no fems or queens.

 

If people were polite and respectful Joseph, we wouldnt have anything to talk about ! ;-)0

[Strafe13]

A bit off-topic, but then back on!

 

I don't get why people have to go out of their way to message someone and say that too you or anyone. People can explain their preferences in a more tasteful way. interested in 21 to 32 sounds much better than no old trolls but gets the point across that they only want younger for hookups. white & Latino A+ sounds better than no blacks or Asians. height and weight proportional instead of saying no fat guys. attracted to masculine guys instead of no fems or queens.

 

I'm of mixed ancestry and people often ask me whether I'm black, Latino/Hispanic, Arab/Middle Eastern, Indian... I've gotten it all. Due to my mixed heritage I have brown skin, with wavy/curly hair, and I have a lot of body hair (didn't really start to grow in until my early 20s), so my appearance can fit multiple categories. Plus I've been a large guy virtually my whole life. In my book, I think "bear" is an apt description and I've often used it in online descriptions, so people know they're getting a whole lotta hirsute man if they contact me :-).

 

Many years ago I had a white guy on a site e-mail me out of the blue to complain that he didn't think I should have used the term "bear" to describe myself because I wasn't white. That's the 1st and only time I've ever even heard of the term being limited to Caucasians. I just couldn't believe someone would contact me just to tell me he thought I was basically engaging in false advertising. When I replied, challenging his claiming of what I thought was a race-neutral term, and asking why it would even matter to him, he had the nerve to respond with something along the lines of "not interested". He literally took time out of his life to e-mail a stranger just to be cruel. Amazing how brave people are when hiding behind the internet.

 

Getting back to the OP's theme, I don't think I'd actively search for any escort's non-pro (i.e., personal) ads on any dating or hook-up site, or even craigslist. But if I happened to come across an ad that I recognized to be from a pro and it said some nasty stuff like we've been discussing, I would certainly never engage his services, no matter how good of an actor he is or could be with me.

[Steven_Draker]

he declares his disgust for creepy old farts like me

 

I found it unfortunate and sad that you consider yourself a "creepy old fart".

 

The Revolution starts at home.

[Steven_Draker]

I don't have a hook-up ad, never been to Manhunt and only recently created an Adam4Adam professional ad and soon after someone started stalking me there. He was swearing that one day he saw my profile where I wasn't listed as an escort and he got a fixation with it. Fortunately, the "block" feature comes handy in these cases. There are some weird people hanging on that site or else those with too much time on their hands.

 

Recently a friend scolded me that I can't trying to hook up with other guys using my escort profile and that I needed to create a "regular" profile. I need to reconsider.

[orbital sander]

I'm not referring to a guy stating a dating or personal sexual preference; that's completely understandable; all of us have preferences. I have seen actual words and phrases in the ads that are beyond expressing mere preference, which reveal disdainful feelings toward older men. In and of itself, it's not insulting to me, because I don't know the guy(s) at all, but I'm certainly not going to hire him when I know he's basically "holding his nose" to get horizontal with me.

 

I have seen this too.

You would think that people would think before they list themselves online. I remember several escorts that did "My Space" adds in the areas they lived in, but their personal pages included ages, e-mails, real names, birth dates, etc etc. seemed a little crazy to me.

[best hotel]

Ace.....just visiting your ad made my heart pound...you are a very sexy man...

[jawjateck]

I have seen this too.

 

As an example....the first time I noticed this was with an escort who passed through Atlanta several months ago, and had his m4rn ad active looking for clients during his visit. I was interested, but then I noticed his hook-up ad had words something like: "No old guys need to bother. You are wasting my time." Needless to say, I was not inspired to hire him.

 

We have discussed quite regularly how poor many escorts' marketing skills are.....

[jawjateck]

Ace.....just visiting your ad made my heart pound...you are a very sexy man...

 

Agree! Ace is a special man!

[Guest countryboywny]

As an example....the first time I noticed this was with an escort who passed through Atlanta several months ago, and had his m4rn ad active looking for clients during his visit. I was interested, but then I noticed his hook-up ad had words something like: "No old guys need to bother. You are wasting my time." Needless to say, I was not inspired to hire him.

 

We have discussed quite regularly how poor many escorts' marketing skills are.....

 

I have seen unkind remarks about old, fat guys from an escort slip out on this very forum. Needless to say, I'd never hire anyone who shows blatant disgust for my "type"... no matter how hot!

[+ Ace]

Wow! Thanks guys...nice way to start my day here in 107 degree heat!

[Michael Wayne]

I investigated adam 4 adam and what I found was that the site is all about illegal drugs and is full of dealers and abusers. A total turn off 4 me (if that is your scene-no judgement from me) I personally choose to not run hook up ads at all. I am so busy escorting that there is no time anyway. It confuses the market. I would rather meet a date in a bar or at a social function anyway. As far as comments about older guys: I feel just the opposite! Older guys give better head! older guys appreciate me more! older guys actually have some life experience to talk about! I like older guys. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1