411 Greg Smart in Las Vegas

[rossthebosssf]

I'm traveling to LV soon and checking out escorts. Peter Hung is on the list but I'm curious about Greg Smart. He received a negative review today, but not that concerned about it. Anyone have any personal experience? His pics and old videos on Rentmen make me go "schwing" so let me know.

 

I could only find two places where he advertises now:

 

http://www.naughty.com/Adult_Businesses/Escorts/Male/Las-Vegas-26/Greg-Smart-10686/

 

http://greg.callboylv.com

[snake28]

I spent a weekend with him. He looks like his pictures. He's a great top, and a very interesting guy. He's not very affectionate outside of the bedroom though. When I left, he said he was really happy when he saw me because I wasn't fat, so he may be developing some aversions to escorting. He has a day job so I suspect he may be winding down

[raife]

I was thinking about hiring Greg, but had some serious red flags, thanks to the reviewer for bringing to light Greg's aversion to overweight guys. His reply is vague and doesn't seem to refute that claim at all. Snake28's message pretty much clinches the deal. There are plenty of escorts out there who will generously connect with us despite our being somewhat physically "out of spec", I thank the community here and at MER for revealing these unprofessional guys, so we can add them to our "avoid at all costs" lists.

[Jaker27]

I thank the community here and at MER for revealing these unprofessional guys, so we can add them to our "avoid at all costs" lists.

He's not into chubby guys. So what. Kind of a strong response don't yah think.

[Bart]

I always find gentlemen's responses to negativity interesting and a key insight to the individual. Mr. Smart failed miserably in his response as he did not address any of the real issues presented.

1. He says the review is a hack because he does not drink yet the client's review did not say he did drink but that Mr. Smart relayed to the client he was out late the night before and dehydrated which is an indication of drinking but regardless Mr. Smart was not in the best shape mentally or physically for the job and should have asked to pass. He did not give a reason to the client for his being below par.

2. He kept his phone on and responded to several calls/text. Again not addressed and assume was the case, another indication he really did not want to be there.

3. Other reviews clearly state oral both ways. Mr. Smart does not address the issue again. Has he changed his options? If there were inaccuracies in the other reviews even though glowing he should have responded to those rather than mislead others.

This is one of those times where it may have been best not to respond.

[excelntsvc]

The memorable line was that "this guy is forgettable and I hope you'll forget him too" ... ahh, Mr. Smart, you sir are replaceable ... I'm heading to LV later this year ... guess which escort is at the top of the list of folks I wont be calling

[snake28]

After reading Greg's response, I thought I'd add a few comments. He does not drink, and during our weekend, he did oral on me two or three times. It was never for more then a minute or two. However, he was such an incredible top, I didn't mind too much. He was a good companion, and an excellent tour guide if you are interested in Vegas history, which I was. He really is hot, and takes excellent care of himself. I don't understand why he didn't clarify whether he no longer does oral. Last time I checked, his ad was down on M4MN, and he rarely updates his blog anymore.

[jawjateck]

Excellent analysis, Lord Bart! In my professional life, I have friends and confidantes who check in with me from time to time and upon whom I lean for counsel and insight in situations where I may have a potential blind spot. Escorts would do well to have another professional escort to serve such a function in their lives too; have someone who would check in from time to time, help bring to light blind spots and erosion of service or professionalism, and for goodness sake, someone to review online postings and recommend a wiser course of action. Case in point: Greg's trainwreck of a response to a negative review. In my 10 years of Hooville citizenship, it is amazing how many times this has happened where an escort could benefit from a peer check before exposing himself in this way and harming his biz. But alas, there is a benefit to us when someone provides such a clear self-revelation, even to his own hurt. <sigh>

 

Sorry for the morning rambings.....

[jgoo]

I certainly think Greg missed an opportunity to respond in a way that would have been more effective and direct to the points raised in the review. I think a better thought out response should give a sense, from his perspective, of what went wrong, why it went wrong and how it could have been handled better or avoided. Potential clients want to feel that the situation was unusual and not indicative of the type of service he desires to offer.

 

I do believe that the client needs to share some of the responsibility for the situation. One should always be clear before hand in the communications on expectations, especially if certain aspects of the encounter are very important to them, or as the client says a "deal breaker". In this situation, while most of his other reviews indicate oral, you can't take for granted that everything is accurate, that it is still the case (regardless of how recent the last review indicating he did it) or that even it may depend on whatever. I don't believe Greg's web site referenced in the reviews indicates that he does oral so it should have been something to specifically bring up ahead of time.

 

I almost never take reviews and/or ads at face value and will typically email the escort to say what I enjoy and that if they have any issues with anything I enjoy to let me know in advance so we can avoid any awkwardness during the meeting. That has worked for me so far. If they were to say at the meeting they don't do what I had said I enjoy and they did not object in advance, I would have no problem ending the meeting and would not offer any compensation for their time.

[Leathermike69]

If Fun1wpb wants oral service, he need only come to Seattle and I'll take care of him...not only will he get oral service, he'll get COMPLETE oral service!!!

[+ overeasy]

Bart - thanks for the concise observations....What we have here is a non-rebuttal response from Mr. Smart....too bad.

[Guest IndyMedic2006]

I would have to agree that he looked good in his pics, but after reading the review and a lack of response makes me place Mr. Smart on the not so smart list

[Guest countryboywny]

I'm 55 years old, overweight and well, I'm no one's idea of "hot". I wish escorts who don't get into it with guys like me would put a "Hot Guys Only" banner on their ads.

[rossthebosssf]

Thanks guys for the posts. After I saw the déclassé response that was posted today by Greg, I lost any and all interest.

[Jaker27]

By all accounts greg seems to satisfy most of his clients. The question is why was this situation so different. I've had people lie about allot of things including their weight. He had a choice at that moment to either end it there or just go ahead and do what he was comfortable doing with this particular client. Client decides that's a deal breaker for him and gives him $100 for his trouble. I don't know why this is even being talked about.

 

If your looking for someone that has no problem with is then look for people like leathermike that's out and out stated they have no problem with it. Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight.

 

PS. I loved the haunted house with all the lights while playing thriller. Would've been great to see that in person.

http://callboylv.com/escort/

[orbital sander]

By all accounts greg seems to satisfy most of his clients. The question is why was this situation so different. I've had people lie about allot of things including their weight. He had a choice at that moment to either end it there or just go ahead and do what he was comfortable doing with this particular client. Client decides that's a deal breaker for him and gives him $100 for his trouble. I don't know why this is even being talked about.

 

Btw. Rarely do allot of the escorts get "into" it with someone that's overweight. Their either a good actor (most) or a chubby chaser (least). All you have to do is look no further then the mirror and ask yourself is this something I myself could could get "into".

 

Two quick questions:

 

So you are able to speak for "allot" of escorts?

 

As far as you not knowing why this is even being talked about, what should be discussed on a M4M Message Forum?

[bostonman]

Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight.

 

I can't speak for escorts specifically. But as far as your use of the word "anyone," that's one hell of a statement to make. PLENTY of people find overweight people attractive. (And considering, especially in the U.S., how many overweight people there are, that's an extra good thing, lol.) If YOU don't, that's your prerogative. But don't assume everyone feels that way. I'm not saying being overweight is automatically a wonderful thing - but there are indeed many people who find big bellies and/or big bodies quite sexy. (And in the gay world, it's often part of the "bear" image - hell - we even came up with our own category for bigger guys, lol.)

 

In terms of the Greg Smart issue (hmm - wasn't that Pamela's dead husband? Oh, I know - both "Greg" and "Smart" are fairly common names, lol) - what offends me, as it seems to offend most of us, is that his response is sketchy and evasive, not really addressing the points the client made - not that Mr. Smart may or may not be into fat guys.

[JT Brooklyn]

Working Guys are PAID to do a JOB! Most Pro's donot consider Weight an Issue and will Work with it along with other reason's why their "Services" are in Demand!

 

As far as needing the $100 for a Manscape..I do find that Hilarious and very Gay!

[josephga]

I can't speak for escorts specifically. But as far as your use of the word "anyone," that's one hell of a statement to make. PLENTY of people find overweight people attractive. (And considering, especially in the U.S., how many overweight people there are, that's an extra good thing, lol.) If YOU don't, that's your prerogative. But don't assume everyone feels that way. I'm not saying being overweight is automatically a wonderful thing - but there are indeed many people who find big bellies and/or big bodies quite sexy. (And in the gay world, it's often part of the "bear" image - hell - we even came up with our own category for bigger guys, lol.)

 

In terms of the Greg Smart issue (hmm - wasn't that Pamela's dead husband? Oh, I know - both "Greg" and "Smart" are fairly common names, lol) - what offends me, as it seems to offend most of us, is that his response is sketchy and evasive, not really addressing the points the client made - not that Mr. Smart may or may not be into fat guys.

 

Every time I hear the name Greg Smart that's what I think of, the time the school teacher Pamela smart had her student lover kill her husband Greg

[Guest countryboywny]

 

As far as needing the $100 for a Manscape..I do find that Hilarious and very Gay!

 

I didn't think of it that way.. it IS very funny!

[Jaker27]

Ok I can see there being a larger issue here and this is what the forum is all about. Sorry.

 

Damnit bostonman you beat me to the punchline. I already had this written out. LOL ……...In LA we have a place called silverlake where over weight people aren't just tolerated but sought out. Of coarse their called bears. It also depends on what kind of escort your searching for. If it's a slim, twink looking guy I think finding one that's got any kind of interest would be like finding a 4 leaf clover. However, yes their obviously out there. However, you need to find someone with a little "maturity" or as brooklyn guy says…a pro.

 

I do stand behind my statement that most people aren't into overweight though. All you have to do is search on manhunt and that probably would be the most common thing said. There their honest. Escorts can't afford to be honest though. If he says I'm not into fat guys. Well, first there goes a large chunk of business. Then it makes him look picky which is what's being discussed here. It's a touchy subject for sure.

 

The best you can do is practice proper communication. You ask and he says he's 260. Well, then you say sorry no-can-do.

 

PS. Is manscaping less gay then say getting a wax?

[leigh.bess.toad]

I'm 55 years old, overweight and well, I'm no one's idea of "hot".

 

I guess I'll just have to check that claim out for myself. How's Friday?

[raife]

By all accounts greg seems to satisfy most of his clients. The question is why was this situation so different. I've had people lie about allot of things including their weight. He had a choice at that moment to either end it there or just go ahead and do what he was comfortable doing with this particular client. Client decides that's a deal breaker for him and gives him $100 for his trouble. I don't know why this is even being talked about.

 

If your looking for someone that has no problem with is then look for people like leathermike that's out and out stated they have no problem with it. Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight.

 

Total and utter bullshit, I'm overweight - honest and upfront about it in my communications, and don't usually have any problems at all... most escorts are pretty accommodating and realize that when clients are willing to pay for sex, they are probably not going to be in the 6-10 range on the hot-o-meter. But thanks for letting us all know how you feel about overweight clients.

 

BTW this is being talked about because it's relevant for quite a lot of guys doing the hiring around here, you should make it clear you take hot clients only in your ad, save us both a lot of grief and wasted time.

[Jaker27]

Total and utter bullshit, I'm overweight - honest and upfront about it in my communications, and don't usually have any problems at all... most escorts are pretty accommodating and realize that when clients are willing to pay for sex, they are probably not going to be in the 6-10 range on the hot-o-meter. But thanks for letting us all know how you feel about overweight clients.

 

BTW this is being talked about because it's relevant for quite a lot of guys doing the hiring around here, you should make it clear you take hot clients only in your ad, save us both a lot of grief and wasted time.

 

Yikes. I just read again my own statement. "Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight." I wish to take out the "anyone" part. That was a typo error and please accept my apologies. Of coarse there's some escorts and whatever else that can get into overweight people.

 

You also just made the point of my next comment though. You did exactly what your suppose to do and yes in that case you won't have any problem at all.

 

If you want to make a point don't exagerate. No one was saying anything at all about "hot clients only". I don't think any escort would or should expect that. However, I was talking about them being "into" it and not about how accomodating they could be. Being fat absolutely has to be communicated. I'm not sure in the case of the reviewer that it was. I think he just assumed too much based on the guys past reviews. As I said allot of people and even professionals can't get down with someone overweight. Doesn't make them bad or too picky. Just the way it is.

[Guest IndyMedic2006]

If you want to make a point don't exagerate. No one was saying anything at all about "hot clients only". I don't think any escort would or should expect that. However, I was talking about them being "into" it and not about how accomodating they could be. Being fat absolutely has to be communicated. I'm not sure in the case of the reviewer that it was. I think he just assumed too much based on the guys past reviews. As I said allot of people and even professionals can't get down with someone overweight. Doesn't make them bad or too picky. Just the way it is.

 

So what your saying is if your fat you can expect the escort not to be into, only there for the cash, and they are only tolerating you? As if some of us arent self-conscious enough, now we have to be worried about even being rejected by a professional? Maybe you were lucky enough to have been born with a high metabolism or not ever undergone chemo-therapy or never had a thyroid issue. So on the converse of that, if a client is exceptionally thin does he need to make that eminantly clear?