Homophobia on M4M

[Guest Chazzz69]

This entire thread reminds me of a scene from The Women. (MGM 1939)

 

Chazzz69

"I have had two years to grow claws, mother, Jungle Red!!"

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

worthy of a supermarket tabloid.

 

If you think ANY part of this board is different from the tabs - you are living in La La Land.

 

>And yes, to an extent, homophobic, trying to enforce the rules of a >society which was set up in part to keep us down and in our place.

 

Since when was making a personal observation the equivilant of "trying to enforce rules..........."

 

You take yourself MUCH to seriously, sir!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>As a masseur, let me assure you that if one continually

>thinks that someone or something is a pain in the back, one

>will wind up with a pain in his neck. Did the person really

>mean that what was provoking him was actually a pain in his

>back? Probably not. But, because he kept thinking in that

>metaphor, it caused his reality to change to match it.

 

Congratulations - you have just posted the biggest piece of crap drivel I have ever seen on this board - even exceeding some of my own!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>>we all know he

>>didn't mean it.

>

>Don't speak for the rest of us. You don't know what we all

>know.

>

>>Can you honestly say you have never threatened to kill or

>>harm someone who was pissing you off at the moment?

 

Fuck off Donnie! You know bloody well what I was saying.

 

Would all of you who actually think that FFF meant what he was saying literly rather than figurativly please confirm by replying to this post? Donnie seems to need some proof!

 

>Interesting choice of words. Why was FFF so pissed off at

>Tony for being effeminate that he wanted to kill him?

 

Maybe his stilletos were higher than his? And what's so interesting about my choice of words? What hidden inner anger are you about to uncover here, shrink?

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest newawlens]

Will, thanks for creating a thread far more interesting than the usual crap that gets posted here. I say that even though I don't agree with a single word in your post.

 

I hire hookers every once in a while and come here because I'm mildly curious about the experiences of other johns. To say that this site is a vital resource for gay men doesn't make much sense to me because in my experience most gay men don't hire hookers. Certainly all the gay men I know think prostitution and those involved in it are sleazy and should be avoided.

 

I don't go out of my way to insult any particular poster the way several of the people who've posted in this thread do. I also don't buy the 'abuse excuse' that you put in your post. If gay men are vicious to other gay men it's because of the abuse they've taken from the straight world? Bullshit. If particular gay men are vicious it's because they're vicious people, period. It doesn't surprise me to find plenty of visitors here who are jerks. This board is about hookers and one of the main reasons people hire hookers is because they can't get along with other people and can't have real relationships.

 

I also don't buy this idea that gay men who don't like the flamboyant or effeminate types are homophobic. I've heard the same thing said about 'assimilated' Jews who find Hasidim hard to take and about African Americans who don't like rap and the other 'gangsta' affectations. People who want extreme behavior to be accepted have this tendency to use that behavior as the definition of an entire community and to say that anyone who doesn't like that behavior hates the entire community. Bullshit again. No one awarded you the exclusive right to define being gay and to label anyone who doesn't like your definition a homophobe, so kindly stop doing that.

[Guest jeffOH]

This thread got me thinking about the abuse I endured from grade school through high school. In grade school I was constantly called sissy, then queer in middle school and faggot in high school. I never really tried to fit in with the other guys. I kind of just did my own thing.During recess you'd find me with a gang of girls jumping rope or playing hopscotch. The boys were always too rough for me.

 

I remember the pain all too clearly. I didn't understand at the time why they were so mean to me, but now I do.

 

Strange how things work out. Now, according to some of my reviews, I'm quite masculine. I've had several clients ask me if I was really gay. Most people I meet assume I am straight. Recently though, some neighborhood boys(ages 6-11) had stopped by my business and one of them said to me, "my friend thinks you're gay". I started to laugh.

I said, "why does he think that?", "because you were standing like this(hand on hip)and you always wear those jeans(my Diesel rock-star jeans). He didn't know how to respond when I said, "maybe I am gay, do you have a problem with that?"

 

I'm not sexually attracted to gay men who have feminine mannerisms. I get off on hyper-masculine men who seem totally unaware of their good looks and their masculinity. There appear to be alot of gay men who got their How to be a Big Flaming Homo handbook in the mail and memorized every word. In other words, their mannerisms seem affected.

 

That's when it really annoys me. I just want to smack them around and tell them that it's OK to just be yourself. We all didn't come out of the womb, limp-wristed, lisping and skipping(which, by the way, took me along time to learn). It's cool if that's how they've always been, but I've seen how differently some gay men act when they're in a predominantly gay scene versus a straight one. I cringe when I'm somewhere and overhear conversations between gay men loaded with "gay-speak" and "girl" this and "sister" that. I've been working hard correcting one of my masculine-looking friends who has picked up some of those annoying affectations.

 

But, I don't believe it's right for someone who hasn't had any direct experience with an escort to post something regarding his alleged mannerisms. It would have been more appropriate for someone who had hired him to mention such a thing in a review.

 

JEFF

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[Bilbo]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>>If I am clear on this, FFF heard the escort talking while he

>>was off duty and then told us all about it. This doesn't

>>constitute reportage on what the guy is like while he is on

>>duty.

>

>Well, DUH! You have a keen grasp of the obvious. I'm sure

>everyone was really confused on that point. Thanks for

>clearing it up.

 

All righty then, please explain how it is anyone's business what he is like when he is not on duty.

 

 

>

>>A lot of people are well rounded enough that they are

>>butch at times and femme at times.

>

>This statement is so loaded I don't have the energy to take

>it on.

 

Only because you seem to be afraid of your own femme side.

 

>

>

>>What FFF did was

>>criticize the man when he was just being one side of himself

>>that he probably doesn't show clients.

>

>Isn't it interesting that if someone says another person is

>a queen, some people immediately think that's an insult?

>Maybe it says more about the listener than the person making

>the comment. (And don't even think about using the joke to

>confirm your point, because, it was a JOKE.)

 

Of course you don't want me to point at the joke. That would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

 

>

>

>>He was balancing his

>>psyche.

>

>How is it that you have insight into a total stranger's

>PSYCHE?

>

 

Because this is a common practice in leather circles. My guess is just as good as yours. I assume that both of our guesses are based on experience. Just different experiences. <Well, duh, I suppose.>

 

 

>In case you missed the review of Tony, I was anecdotally

>CONFIRMING what reviewers (PLURAL) has already said about

>him. My Tony siting occurred WEEKS ago.

 

So, why did you feel you needed to share it, so long after the event, especially since it wasn't offering any new information?

 

 

>

>

>>Yellow Journalism, it seems

>>to me, worthy of a supermarket tabloid.

>

>Oooooooooo, YELLOW JOURNALISM! Ouch! One little problem, you

>obviously don't know what you're talking about. It sounds

>really cool to throw out terms like "Yellow Journalism", but

>if you knew what it really WAS, you would know it doesn't

>apply here. I was reporting a FACT and not my INTERPRETATION

>of an event.

 

Oh, sorry. What do you call a "newspaper" printing nude pictures of a celebrity taken with a high powered lense. This strikes me the same as that, what ever it's called.

 

Tony/Miami, although looking like a tough guy,

>is in fact a big queen. Does that mean he can't "butch it

>up"? Sure, however, when he's being himself (like STANDING

>AT A STREET CORNER!), he's more Dina Merrill than Vin

>Deisel.

 

And this affects his job performance how?

 

 

>

>BWONK! BWONK! BWONK! VICTIM ALERT!

>VICTIM ALERT! BWONK! BWONK! BWONK![/font color=red]

 

Which victim? Me or you?

 

 

>

>'nuff said on that.

>

>I just looked at my watch and I think it's about time for

>HooBoy to close down this thread.

 

Just in case I don't take your hints to shut my mouth. Don't point at this. Don't speculate on other people's psyches. Don't sound like a victim. Don't sound like you mind back seatdrivers.

 

 

Sincerely, I shall belong to a hell of a lot of people before I am ever yours,

 

Bilbo

[Bilbo]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

Too seriously? I take comedy as a very serious thing. Myself? Hey, I just posted a smiley at the end of my last note on this thread! Here's one for you :*

[Bilbo]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

Oh, you have 15 years of experience as a masseur?

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>I don't go out of my way to insult any particular poster the

>way several of the people who've posted in this thread do.

>I also don't buy the 'abuse excuse' that you put in your

>post. If gay men are vicious to other gay men it's because

>of the abuse they've taken from the straight world?

>Bullshit. If particular gay men are vicious it's because

>they're vicious people, period. It doesn't surprise me to

>find plenty of visitors here who are jerks. This board is

>about hookers and one of the main reasons people hire

>hookers is because they can't get along with other people

>and can't have real relationships.

 

RUN FOR THE EXITS!!!!! THERE'S GONNA BE A FIGHT!!!!!!!AAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

>I also don't buy this idea that gay men who don't like the

>flamboyant or effeminate types are homophobic. I've heard

>the same thing said about 'assimilated' Jews who find

>Hasidim hard to take and about African Americans who don't

>like rap and the other 'gangsta' affectations. People who

>want extreme behavior to be accepted have this tendency to

>use that behavior as the definition of an entire community

>and to say that anyone who doesn't like that behavior hates

>the entire community. Bullshit again. No one awarded you

>the exclusive right to define being gay and to label anyone

>who doesn't like your definition a homophobe, so kindly stop

>doing that.

 

I think I've found the man to have babies with. Where have you been all my life???

 

Romantically yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>But, I don't believe it's right for someone who hasn't had

>any direct experience with an escort to post something

>regarding his alleged mannerisms. It would have been more

>appropriate for someone who had hired him to mention such a

>thing in a review.

 

I was pretty much with you up to here (the room was spinning the whole time). You must have missed that the point of my initial thread was that I was confirming what TWO OTHER reviewers had already said about Tony. (Yikes, that's an awkward sentence!) My observation was from weeks ago and I had not felt any need to share my observation until I had read his review that morning.

 

Clarifyingly yours,

 

FFF

[Guest jeffOH]

>I was pretty much with you up to here (the room was spinning

>the whole time). You must have missed that the point of my

>initial thread was that I was confirming what TWO OTHER

>reviewers had already said about Tony.

 

Yes, I read all of Tony's reviews under Miami and New York. I believe there is only ONE reviewer(a 1st timer)who mentions anything about feminine qualities in his review. Traveller acknowledges the "lisp"(he felt it was a Spanish/Castillian? thing) in his post to that thread, but apparently didn't feel it necessary to mention it in his actual review of Tony.

 

I just feel that certain things regarding escorts should be left to the clients who have hired them. If you had hired him and then mentioned the handbags and Bergdorf Goodman in your review, I'd be fine with that.

 

JEFF

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[Guest Hungman9]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>Rick "I'm A Dumb Whore" Munroe now admits I didn't ACTUALLY

>say that fem guys should be killed, so, to try to "get" me,

>he twists his position and now says I "pretty much

>said" it.

 

I just read this whole thread and the one in the Deli. Rick said that your post was gay-bashing. I don't see his position ever wavering. I see no twisting of words, other than what you're doing to him now.

 

>it's the action of a coward

>who is defenseless in his own position.

 

I think cowardice is an escort hiding behind the cloak of anonymity and the fake name "Fin Fang Foom" while he attacks the competition.

[BobbyB]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

�¼Ä�2ck and horror, while my ankles were up around my ears, when big butch Tony opened his mouth and out came Richard Simmons."

 

...was so fucking funny I actually fell out of my chair and hurt myself. I'm always a sucker for a good visual. :-)

 

- BobbyB

[BobbyB]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

"hey guys i have to say it again.you really have to like this guy's style....i sure as hell don't agree with a lot he says ...........but damn he says it well."

 

I agree, Taylor. In fact, he makes some valid points. Sadly, though, the thing that hurts the arguments on both sides of this & all serious topics is the rancor with which it is usually slung. Pity. Remove that and we could have some real good dialog on this site. That said, however, FFF's description of the Miami escort...

 

"...However, imagine my shock and horror, while my ankles were up around my ears, when big butch Tony opened his mouth and out came Richard Simmons."

 

...was so fucking funny I actually fell out of my chair and hurt myself. I'm always a sucker for a good visual. :-)

 

- BobbyB

(Sorry about posting this twice, but it looks like the first attempt got damaged in transit. Technology!)