Child's play

[Rick Munroe]

>I believe that your term of endearment was "cool bitch".

 

OK, so I'm a dumb whore with a bad memory. :*

[Guest newawlens]

I agree with some of what Rod said in the other thread on this issue. Hooking does not prepare young guys for the world of real jobs. Working at McDonald's they are more likely to learn things like working a regular schedule, getting along with a boss and coworkers day after day, dealing with taxes and insurance and so on. I guess I can understand young guys hooking to get money for school tuition, but otherwise it seems like an attempt to prolong childhood. That's one reason I am wary of the ones who are still doing it when they're pushing thirty.

 

I'm sure not all of the kids who do it are really harmed by it. Perhaps a good indicator is why they do it. If they really are doing it on the side and using the money to pay for school that's a positive sign. I have run into several who say that's why they're doing it but never seem to get around to going back to school, however. Hopefully when their 'twink appeal' fades they will realize it's time to get back to something real.

[Rod Hagen]

>I have always found it amusing that Rod offers "Student

>Discounts" yet freaks if an escort is legalage and looks too

>young. I truly believe this is more jealousy than concern.

 

 

I might be jealous that they are having sex and I, like an idiot, waited until I was 26 years old. That's for sure.

 

Kal, re-read the Sugar Daddy thread. Someone asked this same question. Basically I said that my giving the discount is profit oriented. MMK accused me of trying to act charitable. But he's fucking dumb, because the within the post he was responding to I actually said DIRECTLY that I don't do it out of charity. What a twit.

 

How do I rationalize it? When I fuck them it's a one or two time thing in the context of their very young life. And I do believe that it does help them get off their asses and go out and date and be gay, because I (for a fee of course) show them that gay sex is nothing to be afraid of, and is actually pretty goddamn fun. They can then move on and start being gay. But again, that's the effect. The reason I do it is to make money, right or wrong.

 

When a client hires someone the same age their perpetuating a vocation I don't believe is age-appropriate

 

>I love twinks and the younger looking that 18 - 20 y/o is

>the better.

 

Then go to Spain, as I've said here before. The legal age of consent there is 13. You, Marc Anthony, ADRIAN, could take an Atlantis cruise over to Ibiza and just fuck those pre-pubescents dry.

[Rod Hagen]

>>That is something the twink lovers do all the time and it

>>always sounds like hollow rationalization for the fact that

>>they like young ass.

>

>Yeah, but just because it's a hollow rationalization doesn't

>mean it's not true.

 

Phage's point is that hollow or true, the rationalization is evasive. The REAL reason is they like young ass (or cock). And because the flesh is weak, as Phage suggests, no amount of bitching from me is going to stop the process. Some men like fucking child-like males. But it sounds more magnaminous to talk about mentoring, and "Well the greeks did it" and such than admitting the OTHER simple truth (white smooth butts make them swoon).

 

Parallel: on this message center or in person as soon as I begin discussing all the good I think I've done by offering a college discount, the immediate sarcastic response is "Oh, so you do it out of the goodness of your heart?". The answer of course is "No, I saw an untapped market, I wanted more money, so tapped it." (My Heart is pretty black, we all know that.) Fortunately, escorts have the potential to do good things for others while simutaneously making a good profit. This is, however, NOT CHARITY.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>That's one reason I am wary of the ones who are

>still doing it when they're pushing thirty.

 

Judging by the large amounts of $$$ that are reportedly earned by some of the escorts named on this board - I'd say they are still doing it at age 30 because they are smart businessmen and will probably retire long before you or I.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest newawlens]

>Judging by the large amounts of $$$ that are reportedly

>earned by some of the escorts named on this board - I'd say

>they are still doing it at age 30 because they are smart

>businessmen and will probably retire long before you or I.

>

 

LOL! That's a good one!

[Rod Hagen]

>LOL! That's a good one!

 

Yeah, I agree. I saw 2, count them 2, clients this week. And one was a regular.

 

Although I must say that during the internet upswing I was pulling in 10k/month or more just in Escorting, and I had a full time job then. That was fun. My days of clover are over, I suppose. Smart guys like Ted Mathews and Talvin have their asses covered pretty well, however. More power to 'em I say. Me? I pissed it all away and had a real fun time doing it.

[ad rian]

>When a client hires someone the same age their perpetuating

>a vocation I don't believe is age-appropriate

 

Can you please explain why you think that in specific terms the vocation is not age appropriate?

 

>You, Marc Anthony, ADRIAN, could

>take an Atlantis cruise over to Ibiza and just fuck those

>pre-pubescents dry.

 

I am happy enough with the 18 year old limit. That's why I encourage you to try to explain why you think 18 is inappropriate, and perhaps to specifically address some of the points made in the initial point here.

[Guest wolfman]

I have always been cautious about hiring an escort under 25 until this past year. I've found some of them very unsure of themselves and others very mature for their age. About 50-50.

 

About a year ago I met a young man (19) through a mutual friend and he was very upfront about being gay and later about doing some escorting. He is extremely intelligent, very cute, a body to kill for, and has goals set for his future. He is also going to college full time at a very high end college and his present GPA is 3.8.

 

When I first inquired about hiring him, he was very eager and our time together was and still is wonderful. After a few months (I see him 1-2 times a month, for the last year)we were talking about his goals and his present life. He let me know that he escorts because 1) he likes sex and does not have the time to go through the bar/party scene. 2) he prefers older men (I'm 42) because, as he says, we are not always thinking with our smaller head and the conversation is better. 3) the income helps pay his tuition.

 

His clientele is small because of his limited time. He will sometimes call me when he has a free night, just to get together for a beer or to watch a game. He has never charged me for this time, even if we get sexual (I've tried to pay him and he refuses). He only accepts payment if I have arranged time with him.

 

Over the past year I have gotten him interested in the stock market and he has taken some of my advice (I still am doing ok in this market!)and is slowly putting a portfolio together for long term investments. I very seldom offer market advice as I am not a professional, but he has the brains to make his own decisions and not blame others if things go sour.

 

All in all, I feel very lucky to know him. The whole age thing is just a number, what really matters is the maturity that comes with the number.

 

Wolfman

[Rod Hagen]

>All in all, I feel very lucky to know him. The whole age

>thing is just a number, what really matters is the maturity

>that comes with the number.

 

If we take this case by case (like you and Devon have done) of course it's "just a number" the good examples are going to outweigh the bad. No fucking shit.

 

1. People develop throughout their whole lives.

 

2. GENERALLY speaking the younger you are the less "developed" you are because you've probably done less living (of course their are exceptions to this "Keeper Twink" all of Marc Anthony's 3.8 GPA'ers, etc.. But generally this is Linear. THINK LINEAR.

 

3. As an adult (let's pretend that's 18) I think we would all agree that typically I SAID TYPICALLY-ie if the first time you started your own business you were 54 and up until then you lived with your parents, guess what you are an exception, so we don't need to hear it; just as the 19 year old who finished highschool at 15 and has done jello-shots all over the world is an exception- the first few years are when much of the most important shit happens. Development continues, but slows down as we get older. It never peters out, however (like "Puppetry of The Penis" did-that show SUCKED).

 

4. Forget about all these straight A students unless you honestly believe they are the standard and not the exception (they aren't). Escorting is teaching them irrational lessons about the natural accumulation of wealth at a very impressionable age. The majority are not learning "helpful" lessons. How can any of you argue otherwise?

 

I know how: becaue what Marc Anthony, Devon, Ad Rian et al have done is pointed to their chosen few as if they were representative of young escorts at large. Page and I maintain that they aren't. One camp is probably wrong (it's not me).

[ad rian]

>Escorting is teaching them irrational

>lessons about the natural accumulation of wealth at a very

>impressionable age. The majority are not learning "helpful"

>lessons. How can any of you argue otherwise?

 

Can you please explain this? What is an "irrational" lesson about the natural accumulation of wealth? What is "natural accumulation of law"?

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>4. Forget about all these straight A students unless you

>honestly believe they are the standard and not the exception

>(they aren't). Escorting is teaching them irrational

>lessons about the natural accumulation of wealth at a very

>impressionable age. The majority are not learning "helpful"

>lessons. How can any of you argue otherwise?

 

Interesting that you should choose the word "standard" because as it happens I think the escorts that have been cited do set a high standard, and that's the way it should be. There are other examples of escorts who are doing good things with the money they make from escorting, like Adrian Adonis of Orlando and Rodrigo of Boston (both of whom I'm met and talked with at length about their escorting). Adrian A. co-owns a house and Rodrigo is subsidizing school and his musical endeavors. Without getting Pollyanna-ish, I think we should talk up the good examples rather than dismiss them with a wave of the hand. People have complained, with some validity, about the micro-celebrity of escorts that has been partially created and fueled by this site. But one of its positive side effects is that new and young escorts have "role models" after a sort. They can read books. They can meet, contact and get advice from other escorts. Wherever the average is, I think it's rising and has the potential to rise higher.

 

At any rate, how can you possibly know what the majority of young escorts are like and what they are learning? Are you basing this on anything but patronizing stereotypes (and the accompanying low expectations) about what young people are like?

 

As for "irrational lessons about the natural accumulation of wealth" -- would the sex industry be one of the ONLY industries actually making a profit off the Internet if there weren't a natural link between sex and the accumulation of wealth? What seems irrational to me is to take an athlete and tell him not to play ball until he's thirty-five so that he doesn't learn irrational lessons about the accumulation of wealth by getting paid for his skills and physical prowess when he's twenty.

 

>I know how: becaue what Marc Anthony, Devon, Ad Rian et al

>have done is pointed to their chosen few as if they were

>representative of young escorts at large.

 

I don't think for a minute the keepertwink or any of the other examples I cited are "representative" of young escorts at large. I do think they are representative of the potential escorting holds for young men who are willing to focus, to work hard, to treat their clients well and benefit from their experience, and to learn how to make wise financial choices. Yes, the potential is also there to blow the money on drugs, cars, and shopping trips, but I think people with bad relationships to money have bad relationships to money no matter what their income is or how they earned it. If they do learn unrealistic lessons, they will inevitably be disabused of them. Believe me, there are plenty of snot-nosed 23-year-old dot-commers who blew their ludricously inflated salaries during our most recent gilded era; they're going through the same reality check.

[Rick Munroe]

>You, Marc Anthony, ADRIAN, could

>take an Atlantis cruise over to Ibiza and just fuck those

>pre-pubescents dry.

 

Ouch! No lube? Or are they naturally moist at that age?

[eastbayguy]

>4. Forget about all these straight A students unless you

>honestly believe they are the standard and not the exception

>(they aren't). Escorting is teaching them irrational

>lessons about the natural accumulation of wealth at a very

>impressionable age. The majority are not learning "helpful"

>lessons. How can any of you argue otherwise?

 

Is this unnatural accumulation of wealth any different than the lessons learned by the .com kids? Probably not. Most of the .com kids did not have college degees, much formal education or any real business sense or saavy. I've had two rather funny experiences where I've had a former employee of a .com who used to be a customer turn up as my waiter in San Francisco restaurants lately.

 

Throughout the ages, youth have been shown many, many ways to earn money at above average and unsustainable rates. Escorting and the .com boom are two extreme examples. Ask my dad about some examples during WWII. Remember the California Gold Rush?

 

One of the very popular escorts early in the life of this site was a guy from a large, midwestern city. After hearing the buzz about this person for so long, I ended up spending an evening with the guy. We had a great time. After the 2nd drink, our conversation turned to $$$s and he flatly stated that he knew he had a very limited window of time in which to earn big money escorting. He described to me a very sensible and conservative plan for managing his money. I hope his plan wasn't just bullshit, and that he actually did what he said he was doing. If so, he probably did accomplish his goals. Given that I had a grand evening with him, I certainly wish him well.

 

Methinks many escorts do rake in bucks but spend money even faster thus saving none.

 

Meanwhile, do not discount the risks to an escort. The word on the streets is that the above mentioned escort left escorting, involuntarily, after being beaten severely by a client. The beating left the escort both physically and emotionally unable to escort. (In the story I heard, the word "disfigured" was used.) If true, a horrifying conclusion.

 

--EBG

[taylorky]

>pulling in 10k/month or more just in Escorting

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHOA thats only 120k a year GROSS!!!!!with the overhead IE: health insurance,wardrobe ,advertising etc,etc.that puts it down to around 90-95k.if you factor in all the sundry taxes it can drop real income into the 70s .not great huh,just does'nt seem to be worth all the risks involved.just my opinion of course,but too many far safer ways exist to realize income in that range----70-95k

[Rod Hagen]

>WHOA thats only 120k a year GROSS!!!!!

 

Dude, calm down. It only lasted 1/2 year! Like I said this last week I saw only 2 guys. If this continues I'll be Grossing around 25k/year. Not good. I thnk the job is worth the 70-95k as you said, but NOT 25k. Oh well, my problem and probably my fault as well as the economy.