What escorts face day to day and why should it be kept quiet

[Guest RyanCade]

In an effort to reach better understanding of the double standards that exist and how they unjustly suppress an escorts ability to share and protect themselves, I am putting a few of my own experiences out there. It is apparent that I have ruffled feathers in the MC again. I feel that many people don't understand what an escort encounters while trying to make a living and keep a good reputation.

 

I man showed up to my hotel room after contacting me through M4RN, we had our good time and he began to exit my room. When I asked him if he was forgetting something, he replied, no, what? I asked for my fee, he said, "Dude I thought it was mutual and you did it cause you were horny" I said excuse me, he then bolted from the room as fast as he could and sped away in his pickup truck. I stood in disbelief with a terrible feeling in my gut. When I told a few escort friends about it, two of them described the truck and the man. They had also been victimized by the same man.

 

I had a "str8" buddy of mine over one saturday night playing lots of fun games together as we did on a regular when he could slip away from his wife. When I got a call from a repeat client who I had seen four times. I did not know this when I took the call and did not figure it out until he arrived. He had requested that bI give him a massage and release rate for him and his 24 year old friend he wished to bring with him. Specifically agreeing to massage and release only, I did offer them 1 hour together at my usual 1 hour escort rate, being clear that they were to share the same hour, This was at 3 am they arrived about 5 am. As they were arriving my str8 buddy asked if he could join us and he wouldn't charge, so he didn't have to go to the car and wait. He is very hot btw and I was sure they would have no objection. I met the two in the parking lot and presented the offer. They both without hesitation agreed. This is when I realized I was dealing witrh a repeat client. I pulled the sofa out for 1 and had the massage table set for the other. I realized a few minutes in that my friend wasn't an escort and was not familiar with the "massage & release" and I had not properly instructed him on the limitations that go with it. He began giving the 24 year old a full service escort experience. Me on the table with my repeat client not sure what to do but provide him the same service. So now we are both working hard 1.5 hours in to get these two gentlemen off. We switched clients and I asked the young man at 1 hour & 45 minutes in, was he going to be able to get off. He looked down at my soft dick and said it usally requires the guy to be really into it and rolled his eyes. I was seriously offended by his comment as I was already 45 minutes over working my ass off to get this kid off for what was supposed to be a 1 hour massage and release. SO I got up and walked into the kitchen thinking in my head what the hell am I supposed to do with this. at which point my repeat says well aren't you gonna get him off? I asked if he wanted to renegotiate as we were at this point at 2 hours a full hour over. He said yes I will pay for the extra hour and how ever much extra time it takes. at this point my buddy and I both begin to work on the kid, he began giving very direct verbal orders on how to get him off. 45 minutes later he cums. My repeat client pulls out his wallet and counts his money, and says here is 240.00 and lays it on the counter. I said wait thats not even what we originally agreed to, and his exact words were" I noticed you have a bad review on daddys, you don't want another one, do you?" as the two guys exited my apartment, the 24 year old grabbed the 240.00 off of the counter and smiles. I have never heard from either one again. after they left, the reason why they could not get off became clear, one of them had dropped a little baggy containing crystal meth and a little straw.

 

I met a man in TN for an overnight which turned into several nights. He wrote me a fabulous review under another sn not the one he uses on which you all would know. I revisited him a few times, and on those visits I witnessed first hand the sytem being abused. He thought it would be cool to write a bad review about an escort I was not fond of. and he did. I notified the escort and asked the client to remove the review, that it wasn't fair. He said he did, I don't know that to be true, the escort said he had daddy remove it. This man is in desperate need of attention and affection, his experience with escorts according to his posts were not good at all. He enjoyed his time with me and asked if I would please continue to see him as other escorts ran from him. i AGREED, he had me completely change my travel plans to LA to accommodate a weekend he wanted to spend with me. I did. so I arrive in Atlanta and immediately rented a car to take my trip to TN to see him. I begin trying to call him as I am headed out of Atlanta, all the way in TN and still no answer. YES I was stood up, his excuse, he took too many pills. He begs forgiveness. when I continued to refuse to see him, he explained to me that people on daddys private message about escorts and that he could ruin me if he wanted. but that I was the only escort in the world that he trusted and he didn't want to have to do that. I am sure I am on a blacklist somewhere.

 

So these are just three story's two of which involve daddys. Just something to consider. BTW I have not placed any of the three on any list or done any type of review.

 

So how is an escort to avoid these situations

[josephga]

about a year and a half ago I had a really bad massage client. I always told the clients exactly the services they would get and exactly how it would play out. told them it was a real massage on a table with massage cream and any sensual part was limited to a hand release for them. no contact with me. This give a person the chance to book or move on.

this guy shows up walks in and right out of his mouth comes so joe are we going to get nakked and mess around or what? I said no you are going to get nakked get on the table get a massage a hand release just like we spoke about on the phone. He strips gets on the table. then asked what are you using? I said massage cream just like we talked about. he said i don't want cream just real light touch. I said I don't give massages without some sort of cream or lotion and i dont do light touch. I do med and deep just like the ads say and as we spoke of on the phone. He started bitching and i told him the sessions over i said get up get dressed pay me and get out.. Instead of paying me he pepper sprayed me in the face and kicked me.. I called every massage therapist i knew in Atlanta and gave them his contact number, name he gave me and a description of his car. imo the moment he assaulted me he gave up any rights to privacy or the discreetness you would normally give a client. out of 7000 massages That would be my worst experience

[JT Brooklyn]

Ryan these are your experiences as a "Working Guy". On "Rentboy" I am sure there have been Hundreds over the Year's similar in Nature.

 

My Opinion when the "Bad Encouters Outweigh the Good" and they become Situations that cannot be put in the past, it's time to make a decision about the Career Choice!

 

That goes for any CAREER!

[Guest RyanCade]

Now we are talking apples and oranges

 

Ryan these are your experiences as a "Working Guy". On "Rentboy" I am sure there have been Hundreds over the Year's similar in Nature.

 

My Opinion when the "Bad Encouters Outweigh the Good" and they become Situations that cannot be put in the past, it's time to make a decision about the Career Choice!

 

That goes for any CAREER!

 

I never said the bad outweighed the good or I would not still be working. How many less would there have been if the escorts had a warning system as the clients do? Why should this be "put in the past" Why should an escort go through these things and not speak of it? Is that just part of the job description? Other "careers" don't tolerate abuse of any kind and such behavior would result in major lawsuits and criminal prosicution. Escorts have NO RECOURSE....

[happyguy2]

Ryan, it would be interesting to hear from other guys and see if they have the same experiences with the same frequency. It sounds so discouraging.

[Guest RyanCade]

These are not all close together, the 1st was about two years ago and the last in the last three months. lots of less dramatic stories, that are indeed just part of the job and in the past. I doubt many other escorts would be willing to put their head on the chopping block as I have. I feel very strongly about the issue as I have posted many times before. This is a battle I feel worthy of whatever it costs me to be real and bring the reality of the situation to life in type.

[orbital sander]

In an effort to reach better understanding of the double standards that exist and how they unjustly suppress an escorts ability to share and protect themselves, I am putting a few of my own experiences out there. It is apparent that I have ruffled feathers in the MC again. I feel that many people don't understand what an escort encounters while trying to make a living and keep a good reputation.

 

I man showed up to my hotel room after contacting me through M4RN, we had our good time and he began to exit my room. When I asked him if he was forgetting something, he replied, no, what? I asked for my fee, he said, "Dude I thought it was mutual and you did it cause you were horny" I said excuse me, he then bolted from the room as fast as he could and sped away in his pickup truck. I stood in disbelief with a terrible feeling in my gut. When I told a few escort friends about it, two of them described the truck and the man. They had also been victimized by the same man.

 

I had a "str8" buddy of mine over one saturday night playing lots of fun games together as we did on a regular when he could slip away from his wife. When I got a call from a repeat client who I had seen four times. I did not know this when I took the call and did not figure it out until he arrived. He had requested that bI give him a massage and release rate for him and his 24 year old friend he wished to bring with him. Specifically agreeing to massage and release only, I did offer them 1 hour together at my usual 1 hour escort rate, being clear that they were to share the same hour, This was at 3 am they arrived about 5 am. As they were arriving my str8 buddy asked if he could join us and he wouldn't charge, so he didn't have to go to the car and wait. He is very hot btw and I was sure they would have no objection. I met the two in the parking lot and presented the offer. They both without hesitation agreed. This is when I realized I was dealing witrh a repeat client. I pulled the sofa out for 1 and had the massage table set for the other. I realized a few minutes in that my friend wasn't an escort and was not familiar with the "massage & release" and I had not properly instructed him on the limitations that go with it. He began giving the 24 year old a full service escort experience. Me on the table with my repeat client not sure what to do but provide him the same service. So now we are both working hard 1.5 hours in to get these two gentlemen off. We switched clients and I asked the young man at 1 hour & 45 minutes in, was he going to be able to get off. He looked down at my soft dick and said it usally requires the guy to be really into it and rolled his eyes. I was seriously offended by his comment as I was already 45 minutes over working my ass off to get this kid off for what was supposed to be a 1 hour massage and release. SO I got up and walked into the kitchen thinking in my head what the hell am I supposed to do with this. at which point my repeat says well aren't you gonna get him off? I asked if he wanted to renegotiate as we were at this point at 2 hours a full hour over. He said yes I will pay for the extra hour and how ever much extra time it takes. at this point my buddy and I both begin to work on the kid, he began giving very direct verbal orders on how to get him off. 45 minutes later he cums. My repeat client pulls out his wallet and counts his money, and says here is 240.00 and lays it on the counter. I said wait thats not even what we originally agreed to, and his exact words were" I noticed you have a bad review on daddys, you don't want another one, do you?" as the two guys exited my apartment, the 24 year old grabbed the 240.00 off of the counter and smiles. I have never heard from either one again. after they left, the reason why they could not get off became clear, one of them had dropped a little baggy containing crystal meth and a little straw.

 

I met a man in TN for an overnight which turned into several nights. He wrote me a fabulous review under another sn not the one he uses on which you all would know. I revisited him a few times, and on those visits I witnessed first hand the sytem being abused. He thought it would be cool to write a bad review about an escort I was not fond of. and he did. I notified the escort and asked the client to remove the review, that it wasn't fair. He said he did, I don't know that to be true, the escort said he had daddy remove it. This man is in desperate need of attention and affection, his experience with escorts according to his posts were not good at all. He enjoyed his time with me and asked if I would please continue to see him as other escorts ran from him. i AGREED, he had me completely change my travel plans to LA to accommodate a weekend he wanted to spend with me. I did. so I arrive in Atlanta and immediately rented a car to take my trip to TN to see him. I begin trying to call him as I am headed out of Atlanta, all the way in TN and still no answer. YES I was stood up, his excuse, he took too many pills. He begs forgiveness. when I continued to refuse to see him, he explained to me that people on daddys private message about escorts and that he could ruin me if he wanted. but that I was the only escort in the world that he trusted and he didn't want to have to do that. I am sure I am on a blacklist somewhere.

 

So these are just three story's two of which involve daddys. Just something to consider. BTW I have not placed any of the three on any list or done any type of review.

 

So how is an escort to avoid these situations

 

Ryan, the short answer is that sometimes you cannot avoid these situations. I own a business, and while I am not an escort, I take care of people and their assets. My clients are pretty much all wealthy. I have good people who I have worked with for many years, and I try to stick with just them. I am very careful about adding new clients, as I could write you a whole chapter about BAD people who wanted services for free, to scam me out of fees that I was owed, or just simply refused to pay for services rendered. Most all of these bad people were new clients that I had no track record with. Once it was apparent that they were bad, I graciously moved on and avoided them and anyone associated with them at all costs. These days I refuse more clients than I accept because life is too short and I have had too many bad experiences, that fortunately, I used as learning experiences.

 

I am sorry that you have been mistreated, I hope you find peace and prosperity. I do not know you at all, but I wish you well none the less....

 

Have fun in Eugene!!

[orbital sander]

about a year and a half ago I had a really bad massage client. I always told the clients exactly the services they would get and exactly how it would play out. told them it was a real massage on a table with massage cream and any sensual part was limited to a hand release for them. no contact with me. This give a person the chance to book or move on.

this guy shows up walks in and right out of his mouth comes so joe are we going to get nakked and mess around or what? I said no you are going to get nakked get on the table get a massage a hand release just like we spoke about on the phone. He strips gets on the table. then asked what are you using? I said massage cream just like we talked about. he said i don't want cream just real light touch. I said I don't give massages without some sort of cream or lotion and i dont do light touch. I do med and deep just like the ads say and as we spoke of on the phone. He started bitching and i told him the sessions over i said get up get dressed pay me and get out.. Instead of paying me he pepper sprayed me in the face and kicked me.. I called every massage therapist i knew in Atlanta and gave them his contact number, name he gave me and a description of his car. imo the moment he assaulted me he gave up any rights to privacy or the discreetness you would normally give a client. out of 7000 massages That would be my worst experience

 

That is Horrible, I would have called the police and turned the guy in...no matter what the implications. Perhaps that is more difficult where you are. What a nightmare, and you seem like such a nice fellow, I cannot imagine anyone attacking you like that...

 

Sad world

[Guest RyanCade]

That is Horrible, I would have called the police and turned the guy in...no matter what the implications. Perhaps that is more difficult where you are. What a nightmare, and you seem like such a nice fellow, I cannot imagine anyone attacking you like that...

 

Sad world

 

Now wait a minute, joseph just said he DID on a much larger scale what I am defending our right to do. Whats the difference, is it because he was maced and kicked? What is the difference? orbital sander, I have no doubt that people rip many people off in different ways. If you chose to do so you could file a law suit against your shameful clients as well as report their debt to the credit agencies to warn other potential creditors. again where is the recourse and protection for escorts?

[instudiocity]

Well said, OS. I believe you've got the correct perspective. All of us to some degree are in the 'same' business. Some of us sell our time, some of us sell products, but everyone to some degree is a salesperson. Ryan Cade's business is far more risky than mine. But I don't make $300/hour either. I'd gladly pay that for Ryan's time, but at some point each of us has to weigh the risks against the rewards. Sh*t happens all the time to all of us.

 

The question that I keep coming back to is this... "How can an escort promise discretion and privacy, while posting client information to a client blacklist?" I think Boston Guy had some interesting thoughts in Ryan's other thread on this subject. BG's thoughts centered around the Review process and it's weaknesses. I'm going to need to think about writing reviews some more.

 

But one thing is certain. I'm unwilling to contribute my time and resources to an escort if he participates in any blacklist. I believe a professional should be a black hole. Nothing about what he does with whom should ever be aggregated on a website, good or bad.

 

Ryan, the short answer is that sometimes you cannot avoid these situations. I own a business, and while I am not an escort, I take care of people and their assets. My clients are pretty much all wealthy. I have good people who I have worked with for many years, and I try to stick with just them. I am very careful about adding new clients, as I could write you a whole chapter about BAD people who wanted services for free, to scam me out of fees that I was owed, or just simply refused to pay for services rendered. Most all of these bad people were new clients that I had no track record with. Once it was apparent that they were bad, I graciously moved on and avoided them and anyone associated with them at all costs. These days I refuse more clients than I accept because life is too short and I have had too many bad experiences, that fortunately, I used as learning experiences.

 

I am sorry that you have been mistreated, I hope you find peace and prosperity. I do not know you at all, but I wish you well none the less....

 

Have fun in Eugene!!

[Guest RyanCade]

Well said, OS. I believe you've got the correct perspective. All of us to some degree are in the 'same' business. Some of us sell our time, some of us sell products, but everyone to some degree is a salesperson. Ryan Cade's business is far more risky than mine. But I don't make $300/hour either. I'd gladly pay that for Ryan's time, but at some point each of us has to weigh the risks against the rewards. Sh*t happens all the time to all of us.

 

The question that I keep coming back to is this... "How can an escort promise discretion and privacy, while posting client information to a client blacklist?" I think Boston Guy had some interesting thoughts in Ryan's other thread on this subject. BG's thoughts centered around the Review process and it's weaknesses. I'm going to need to think about writing reviews some more.

 

But one thing is certain. I'm unwilling to contribute my time and resources to an escort if he participates in any blacklist. I believe a professional should be a black hole. Nothing about what he does with whom should ever be aggregated on a website, good or bad.

 

You guys aren't getting the fact that these are not text reviews and I am only defending the right to out abusers for the purpose of another escorts safety and well being. There are many businesses with many problems, but the "working Guy" business is the only one I know of that the response to abuse should be to suck it up take it and then shut up about it and put it in the past or no non abusive client will hbire you.. ???????????????????????????????

[JT Brooklyn]

Well when your "Career is a Legal One" I'm guessing most do have Legal Recourse.

 

When the day comes and "Working It" is LEGAL.. even then I seriously doubt many Working Guys will want to PAY for the Legal Representation?

 

Most Lawyers get more than $250 an hour... Until then my Friend "Working It" OR "Paying for It" remains a Vegas Crapshoot!

[JT Brooklyn]

happy..This is the reason there are not TWICE as Many Guys "Working It" on Rentboy/NYC!

 

There also are a certain number of Guys who decide it just doesn't work for them!

[Guest RyanCade]

Criminal abuse and theft are prosecuted by DA's courtesy of the state. Civil suits are filed with a nominal fee and whoever loses pays the court and can be completed without the assistance of a laqyer if the filer so chooses to risk representing himself.

[JT Brooklyn]

Forgetting the Fact that I'm guessing.. most Clients want No PART of anyone knowing that they are PAYING FOR SEX ..IF and When Legalization happens the number of CLIENTS will definitely go down.

 

So I'm thinking the "Working Guys" best stick to the World's Oldest Profession just the way it is..UPS & Downs..Possible Warts and all!

 

NOW A THREAD about would you PAY FOR SEX If it was LEGAL with the possible "Ram"ifications would be an interesting one!

[+ deej]

You guys aren't getting the fact that these are not text reviews and I am only defending the right to out abusers for the purpose of another escorts safety and well being.

 

It may surprise you but we're not all against it. I think it's actually a good idea, with some very bad potential fallout.

 

We used to have a private forum where only escorts could post or read, with the intent that they should be able to share this kind of information. Predictably, conversations got heated and one escort got his panties in a wad and pasted private information into a public thread to embarrass another escort.

 

I know one escort who was drugged by a client, and while he was unconscious he was raped. Bareback. That client, IMO, forfeited any claim on privacy. But across the board? Do we paint all clients with that brush?

 

I understand the worry from the client side, and the issue from the escort's side. It's not a simple (or new) issue. Clients are worried their "private doings" will be exposed. Simple answer: give no cause. But as I said earlier, fights between escorts can have unintended and unrelated consequences.

 

It's a tough nut to crack.

[Boston Guy]

Ryan,

 

I don't have time to respond at length at this time. I'll try to do so later. But a couple of quick comments:

 

1. You seem to view this as a battle and you've used that term before, if I recall correctly. You talk about what you see as a double standard and fighting what you see as a wrong. Sometimes, when I read some of your posts, it seems to me that you may have been angry when you wrote them. May I suggest that in many very real ways, escorts and clients are in this together. We achieve more and better things when we work together instead of viewing each other as opponents. I never -- ever -- think of an escort as someone to cheat, steal from, abuse, attack or otherwise treat in any way other than as a fellow human being. I suspect that most clients are coming from exactly the same point of view.

 

2. You are engaging in activities that can leave you vulnerable to unscrupulous people but let me assure you that escorts are not the only people who have unscrupulous clients. Go talk to any service provider or any company and be prepared to get an earful if you ask if they've ever had bad clients. Why do you think that accounting standards often require set asides to cover losses due to bad debt? It's not because it never happens. It may feel like you are in a unique position and all alone but, trust me, you have plenty of company.

 

3. Escorts are not the only people who face a risk of theft and or physical abuse. The stories of escorts who have stolen from clients or attacked them or both are legion. And when it happens, most clients too will feel that they are unable to go to the police. There is no double standard here.

 

4. Every single career choice has pluses and minuses. If there was a career where young guys could make $300 per hour with no risk at all, everyone would be doing that. There aren't more escorts because of the potential legal liability and because of the risks involved and because some clients are just downright disgusting in one way or another. If it gets to a point where, on balance, it isn't fun any more, make a different choice. I've long advocated that each person have several different careers over the course of the lifetime.

 

BG

[Guest RyanCade]

Thank you Deej, I can all to well understand the concerns of wonderful clients and their privacy is of utmost importance. Escorts should not be allowed to post this on any public board. The M4RN requires the escort to have already been solicited and have the clients contact info, and is only given the reviews accosiated with that contact info they provided. there is no detail in this review, just yes or no boxes. Did he treat you likke a professional, did he accurately represent himself?, Would you recommend him? Just enough that if four well reviewed guys answer no, I know that I should probably not go. Thank You Thank you Thank you Deej

[Boston Guy]

Thank you Deej, I can all to well understand the concerns of wonderful clients and their privacy is of utmost importance. Escorts should not be allowed to post this on any public board. The M4RN requires the escort to have already been solicited and have the clients contact info, and is only given the reviews accosiated with that contact info they provided. there is no detail in this review, just yes or no boxes. Did he treat you likke a professional, did he accurately represent himself?, Would you recommend him? Just enough that if four well reviewed guys answer no, I know that I should probably not go. Thank You Thank you Thank you Deej

 

That's too bad. I've hired tons of guys from M4RN and I've treated each one of them with respect. But, given this database of reviews, I'll likely no longer hire escorts from M4RN.

 

BG

[Guest RyanCade]

Ryan,

 

I don't have time to respond at length at this time. I'll try to do so later. But a couple of quick comments:

 

1. You seem to view this as a battle and you've used that term before, if I recall correctly. You talk about what you see as a double standard and fighting what you see as a wrong. Sometimes, when I read some of your posts, it seems to me that you may have been angry when you wrote them. May I suggest that in many very real ways, escorts and clients are in this together. We achieve more and better things when we work together instead of viewing each other as opponents. I never -- ever -- think of an escort as someone to cheat, steal from, abuse, attack or otherwise treat in any way other than as a fellow human being. I suspect that most clients are coming from exactly the same point of view.

 

2. You are engaging in activities that can leave you vulnerable to unscrupulous people but let me assure you that escorts are not the only people who have unscrupulous clients. Go talk to any service provider or any company and be prepared to get an earful if you ask if they've ever had bad clients. Why do you think that accounting standards often require set asides to cover losses due to bad debt? It's not because it never happens. It may feel like you are in a unique position and all alone but, trust me, you have plenty of company.

 

3. Escorts are not the only people who face a risk of theft and or physical abuse. The stories of escorts who have stolen from clients or attacked them or both are legion. And when it happens, most clients too will feel that they are unable to go to the police. There is no double standard here.

 

4. Every single career choice has pluses and minuses. If there was a career where young guys could make $300 per hour with no risk at all, everyone would be doing that. There aren't more escorts because of the potential legal liability and because of the risks involved and because some clients are just downright disgusting in one way or another. If it gets to a point where, on balance, it isn't fun any more, make a different choice. I've long advocated that each person have several different careers over the course of the lifetime.

 

BG

 

BG again you are a great guy and I can tell that by the tone in which you write. It feels like a battle to me because this issue is so and sometimes brutally defended. I admit some of my posts have been a bit direct and full of emotion, but it doesn't make sense to me and I am driven to advocate for me and other escorts. I do tend to do so with fervent passion. Part of it is that I feel misunderstood and my words are being taken for a lack of concern for my clients privacy, which is far from an accurate summation of my position. It seems my most relevant points are over looked and comment on them in particular is very limited. we keep going back to defending things I agree should be defended and making it look like I am advocating an issue which I am not. . and the relation to any business that has recourse for such wron doings does not compare to the escorts business where there is none.

 

Respectfully and full of fervent passion

-RyanCade-

[Guest RyanCade]

There are other sites with this option as well, but I do not believe their process is fair and would never participate in the disgustingly rude and intolerable energy on those sites. I do believe in fairness and privacy.

[Diverdan]

Ryan,

I have read this thread a couple of times, and originally decided not to post. However, as this has gone on, it strikes me that there are a few things that raise red flags for me. While I would never presume to tell you how to run your business let me share a couple of observations. You said you were playing with a "straight friend" when you got the call, if I understand correctly, at 3:00 AM. You negotiated something for two guys at your one hour rate. Also, if I understood it correctly, they arrived at 5:00 AM to begin the massage. You also said that your "straight buddy" decided to offer his services too, but then engaged in what you described as a "full escort service". I would be extremely suspicious of a call at 3:00 AM for any kind of service, and even more suspicious if it were not to begin until 5:00 AM. While there is no excuse for what happened, it seems to me that you missed some red flags along the way that might have prevented this unhappy experience for you and your "straight buddy". He doesn't seem very straight to me if he wanted to provide a "full escort experience" while visiting you. Again, I am not being critical of your business or what you choose to do, just wanted to let you know that part of your original posting raised a lot of red flags in my mind and left me with a lot of questions.

[Guest RyanCade]

Understandable point of view Diverdan. However, Atlanta Ga has much more night business than day business. M4RN ad responses get crazy sometimes between 2am and 8am. Night time airport hotel calls are big as well. The day business is on craig's list. There was absolutely nothing unusual about a 3am call or waiting a couple hours for them. They were out partying as many do working on a date for after the bar. But in most areas late night business is rare for me.

[Guest mvan1]

 

If you chose to do so you could file a law suit against your shameful clients as well as report their debt to the credit agencies to warn other potential creditors. again where is the recourse and protection for escorts?

 

 

In the instant case and in the "real" world it is true that a lawsuit can be filed against a creditor and a report made to credit reporting agencies.

 

However, when a professional files a suit against a client for non payment, it is not unusual for the client to file a cross-complaint (or counter suit) against the professional for alleged negligence or substandard work giving those reasons for not paying the professional's bill.

 

If the client wins the cross complaint, the client can also collect for "damages" against the professional for "falsely" maligning the reputation of the client with the credit bureaus.

 

In short, where is the protection for the professional?

 

In the end, all professions have a caveat.

[SteveStacks]

Wow.

 

Wow. You've posted some very thought provoking and deeply personal posts recently Ryan, and I appreciate your willingness to be so open and to take the risk of being so frank about your thoughts and concerns.

This is certainly an intense thread and seems to bring up a lot of stuff for people.

 

It seems to me that the MINIMUM standard for escorts is to meet what I call the three "P"s

Presence - If you make an appointment, show up!

Performance - If you said you offer the service, provide it!

Privacy - After the session, DO NOT discuss the client with other parties. PERIOD.

To that extent, I totally agree with the posters who raise concerns regarding client's privacy being violated by escorts sharing personal information.

 

On the flip side, if a client does not pay for services which were rendered, he is no longer a client, but a thief.

If a client assaults or injures an escort, he is no longer a client, but a criminal.

Thieves and criminals do NOT have a right to commit their acts in private.

 

Frankly, if you screw someone, whether as a provider OR a consumer, you can expect that word will get out about you. As the adage goes, a customer who has a good experience will tell one person - a customer who has a bad experience will tell ten people. That applies to many relationships.

Review sites, whether intended for escorts or for clients, are just one way of the word getting out. Even if all of them were shut down, people will find a way to spread the word.

 

That being said, as many other posters have astutely pointed out, review sites are rife with possibilities for abuse or confusion. The wise individual obviously will take such reviews with a grain of salt and read between the lines.

 

Fortunately, I have never had cause to use, or participate in client review sites.

I've been lucky to have generally only dealt with guys who were good guys.

I also put great effort into screening out bad apples in order to avoid having to deal with a client who would be egregious enough to move from the category of client into one which would justify my breaking confidentiality (ie thief or criminal.) That screening means I may risk ending up screening out a client who was a good guy after all every once in a while, but life is too short for either me or a client to waste our time having a bad experience when there are so many good experiences to be had.

 

As clients, there will be escorts who gossip about you. As escorts, there will be clients who try and screw you over.

You can do the best you can to protect yourself, and still sometimes bad stuff happens to innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In the end all any of us can do is to try and be the kind of people we want to surround ourselves with.