Joey Bryant to be discontinued

[JoeyBryant]

I may be saying adios! pretty soon. That is, my 'brand name' Joey Bryant being discontinued by the end of the month. I know its not something to brag about...but after several months of review, I may cease to advertise on the more expensive sites; men4rent and rentboy.

 

However, I will be listed on other secondary escort sites such as adam4adam, but I will simply be listed as 'J'. Since moving to San Antonio, I have found those to be more productive than the more expensive sites. With that being said, 'Joey Bryant' may only be available when touring larger cities.

 

Since I have adjusted to differentiating Joey Bryant from the more generic 'J', there is a slight variation from the 2. For example, boyfriend experience is not offered through J, whereas Joey Bryant does. However, I haven't found the demand for boyfriend experience to be as high anymore (perhaps because I live in such a D.L. city!). Therefore, my fee is adjusted.

 

The good new is, things have improved significantly and I believe the change is for the better. Its not that Joey Bryant is not desired or in demand LOL, as I'm still the same guy...but my location calls for a different persona and I can't offer the same thing as I did before. And of course I can still be booked directly through Daddy's

 

Has anyone else had to undergo a revamp? Its been alot of work!

[jimboivyo]

Joey, I don't know you, but this post reminds me of a line from Macbeth involving 'sound and fury, signifying nothing.'

 

As a client, what you're describing just confuses me (the consumer) and that's bad for business. What you need to focus on is just building up a name, focusing on one thing at a time and going from there. Why split-shift with two names and, most strange of all, why announce it here on daddys? If you're really that hot on keeping separation between these two persona, dont you think it would make more sense to not make this knowledge public?

[instudiocity]

Whatever happened to simply paying for a companion's time? Why not go one step further and create a menu that delineates prices for each act.

Seriously though, don't make life so difficult.

 

You mean like the "J" menu and the "Joey Bryant" menu? Or do you mean pure a la carte pricing -Dry Kiss $20, French Kissing $50, Receive BJ $50, Give BJ $75?

 

I'd be so easy to up sell...

[JoeyBryant]

LOL, the jokes made me laugh. Apologies if you were confused...

 

Its really not that difficult and Im not fixed on hiding anything. Its just that people want different things and so Im flexible. Its like Lincoln Navigator and Ford Explorer. Lexus and Camry. Same shit, 1 has a bit more options than the other. I haven't found it to be anywhere near as complicated as y'all have made it out to be. I thought I'd just say it like it is, but obviously this forum is full of haters...So it doesn't make a difference to me.

[NYTomcat]

Actually Joey I think I get it. and actually appreciate the discussion. It is different times in a lot of industries and I think your right. alot of clients don't want to pay for the bells and whistles and are looking for more clear transportation (Camry/ J) and not the premium package(Lexus/Joey Bryant) I actually thought it was interesting to hear. especially even in my profession. OK LAW, we are seeing a similar shift to cheaper but less service work.

 

Thanks for posting, but I agree with you. while you may need to advertise J. at home. When on tour and paying for travel and lodging, try to book and lease Joey. some markets still want full service

[JoeyBryant]

Actually Joey I think I get it. and actually appreciate the discussion. I actually thought it was interesting to hear. especially even in my profession.

 

 

I'm glad you were able to see through that. It makes the discussion easier to talk about.

 

I find it easier (contrary to what instudiocity said, sorry to put you on the spot) to separate myself in my location than to have an a la carte pricing. That prevents me from doing that in the first place.

 

But its definently not easy. I dont feel comfortable charging a certain amount and doing less. Why should I advertise on men4rent for X less when majority of the others are advertising for $200+? Would just make me feel cheap and people would think, "whats wrong with him for advertsing so cheaply?" And vice versa with the secondary sites. I would not be able to advertise $300/hr on craigslist and have the same volume of callers...its a bargain site. But the same things aren't offered either.

 

I also cant justify shelling out upwards of $100 on the ever popular (not!) 'men4rent' when I can save money and go elsewhere. Once this membership expires, I'm out of there.

[jimboivyo]

... but obviously this forum is full of haters...So it doesn't make a difference to me.

 

We're 'haters' because we offer you the constructive advice you asked for? And of course it 'makes a difference to you,' as if it didn't, you wouldn't come here to daddys and take the time to post something. Seems to me that your attitude might be the biggest contributing factor in you not getting the business you think you deserve. I've been hiring a long time and can tell you that a good escort's business is EARNED, not just given. Based on the number of reviews you currently have, it's clear to me that there's something the matter with how you're conducting business.

 

I'll repeat myself. Don't confuse the consumer. I'm trying to offer some good advice, so please don't continue being so defensive.

[instudiocity]

Actually Joey I think I get it. and actually appreciate the discussion. It is different times in a lot of industries ... we are seeing a similar shift to cheaper but less service work.

 

Hey Joey, I got it too. I just couldn't resist being the sm@rt@$$ in the crowd. And the idea of an 'a la carte' menu is hilarious - and I would hire 'a la carte' just for the rush of running up the tab or not - especially on an unreviewed escort or a first date!

 

Having said that Joey, you probably shouldn't have notified your upscale market of your downscale marketing. After all, you're differentiating yourself into "J" and you should keep "Joey Bryant" even if you withdraw from these horrendously expensive, and apparent obnoxious websites. What I guess I'm saying is that Joey Bryant might remove his ads, but shouldn't discontinue his Daddy's Reviews/Message Board presence. We're still here and folks are still hiring based on this site alone.

 

NYTC, you're right the whole world is going Wal-Mart on us. Now when you're talking everyday low prices for identical products, I understand it. But when you're talking customer relationships and service, when you're talking professionalism, caring, QUALITY, I just don't get buying off the bottom shelf (unless it's one of ExPat's Butt of the Day, of course.) {Guys, my tongue is so far into my cheek...oy!}

[NYTomcat]

I'm glad you were able to see through that. It makes the discussion easier to talk about.

 

I find it easier (contrary to what instudiocity said, sorry to put you on the spot) to separate myself in my location than to have an a la carte pricing. That prevents me from doing that in the first place.

 

But its definently not easy. I dont feel comfortable charging a certain amount and doing less. Why should I advertise on men4rent for X less when majority of the others are advertising for $200+? Would just make me feel cheap and people would think, "whats wrong with him for advertsing so cheaply?" And vice versa with the secondary sites. I would not be able to advertise $300/hr on craigslist and have the same volume of callers...its a bargain site. But the same things aren't offered either.

 

I also cant justify shelling out upwards of $100 on the ever popular (not!) 'men4rent' when I can save money and go elsewhere. Once this membership expires, I'm out of there.

 

NO I get that. Your discussing a business decision to charge less and offer a more streamlined service that is wanted in that market. I dont think thats problematic (OK the term haters may be extreme) but i appreciate the candor. Your making the decision to meet the needs of the population hiring in the area you are. thats just good reponse to demographics. Obviously from my BFE post im on the other side of the spectrum but thats just me and my hiring practice.

 

Its is incredible tough to undergo a revamp of your business in such a way. but when your dealing with a lower price per client you have to streamline the process which means cutting overhead. IF higher priced marketing like rentboy are not driving the local business to you. Yeah cut it off. and focus on making your money from the sites that work at the price-point that is effective.

[NYTomcat]

Hey Joey, I got it too. I just couldn't resist being the sm@rt@$$ in the crowd. And the idea of an 'a la carte' menu is hilarious - and I would hire 'a la carte' just for the rush of running up the tab or not - especially on an unreviewed escort or a first date!

 

NYTC, you're right the whole world is going Wal-Mart on us. Now when you're talking lower prices on identical items sold in many places, I understand it. But when you're talking customer relationships and service, when you're talking professionalism, caring, QUALITY, I just don't get buying off the bottom shelf (unless it's one of ExPat's Butt of the Day, of course.)

 

Guys, my tongue is so far into my cheek...

 

LOL I get the sarcasm and tongue in cheek. In fact I find it hilarious. Its sometimes hard especially to look at escorting and see the service side and think of buying a discount service. That said, the economy is such that meeting the needs of a middle income spender is needed and I think Joey may not be wrong in hitting that market. at least for the time being since there is that market. Hell I know my days of cappuccine machines in the office have been converted to Keurig. LOL and soon a water cooler if things don't pick up. but its ok as long as paying customers come through the door. I just may not have the receptionist with the Aussie accent anymore answering the door/phone LOL

[JoeyBryant]

Having said that Joey, you probably shouldn't have notified your upscale market of your downscale marketing. After all, you're differentiating yourself into "J" and you should keep "Joey Bryant" even if you withdraw from these horrendously expensive, and apparent obnoxious websites.

 

Why not? I'm not offering the upscale clients the same thing. I can choose to be open about it, or I can choose to be discreet about it. But the difference is clear, its not the same. Y'all are making it seem like I have something to hide, there's really nothing to hide. If you want this and that, you go to Joey. If you just want this, you go to J. How hard can that be

 

Hey Joey, I got it too. But when you're talking customer relationships and service, when you're talking professionalism, caring, QUALITY, I just don't get buying off the bottom shelf (unless it's one of ExPat's Butt of the Day, of course.) {Guys, my tongue is so far into my cheek...oy!}

 

Believe me, Im not the bottom shelf on my worse day LOL. J is no less caring than Joey Bryant. Its just that everything isn't included. Hilton is Hilton whether its the 2nd floor with double beds or the top floor suite. There's just more to one than the other. Some clients prefer that. Do you really need the top floor suite? Another analogy.

 

Seems to me that your attitude might be the biggest contributing factor in you not getting the business you think you deserve. I've been hiring a long time and can tell you that a good escort's business is EARNED, not just given. Based on the number of reviews you currently have, it's clear to me that there's something the matter with how you're conducting business.

 

I'll repeat myself. Don't confuse the consumer. I'm trying to offer some good advice, so please don't continue being so defensive.

 

My attitude is going to get alot worse if you continue to base my reviews and post on my business. Dont do it again...

 

Off topic, but I'm considered fairly new (but not a newbie!) to this arena. I also haven't had the oppurtunity to travel as often as I like either, so all that plays up on why I have just a few reviews. If you read my men4rent, you'll see I have more.

 

San Antonio is a smaller market, period. Sites like rentboy and men4rent haven't quite made its way here because there isnt a large openly gay population. That doesnt affect my income though. It just affects where I advertise.

 

I know this is going to burst some bubbles, and apologies if it does and in no way is it aimed at any past, present or future clients...but since you decided to make a remark on my number of reviews...have you also noticed that there aren't many Black escorts reviews on this site anyhow? I'll leave that up to you to decipher.

[instudiocity]

Thanks, NYTC, my roomie says he gets about 10% of my humor so I really never know if I'm entertaining or irritating.

 

Interesting thought about service and discount service. I've often wondered about this HOURLY pricing, even more so as I've watched the scale bounce between $200 and $350 then back to $150-$160.

 

If Supply/Demand works in escorting the guys charging $350 must be working frequently and attempting to bring down their appointment count. When the price hits $150-160, you would think these guys are attempting to develop business with a 'come-on' price. (PUN intended!)

[jimboivyo]

My attitude is going to get alot worse if you continue to base my reviews and post on my business. Dont do it again...

 

Thanks for proving my point. Good luck in this business.

 

And you're wrong about SA: I live in the area for some of the year and there's not only a vibrant gay community, but gays with money to spend. I'm one of them. You've pigeonholed San Antonio before even knowing what you're talking about, cutting off your nose to spite your face. But like I alluded to before, you have to walk your own path and hopefully learn from your own mistakes.

[NYTomcat]

Thanks, NYTC, my roomie says he gets about 10% of my humor so I really never know if I'm entertaining or irritating.

 

Interesting thought about service and discount service. I've often wondered about this HOURLY pricing, even more so as I've watched the scale bounce between $200 and $350 then back to $150-$160.

 

If Supply/Demand works in escorting the guys charging $350 must be working frequently and attempting to bring down their appointment count. When the price hits $150-160, you would think these guys are attempting to develop business with a 'come-on' price. (PUN intended!)

 

agreed if you have a market that will pay 350 why not work less and make the same kind of money. But some markets have a very limited $350 hiring pool and definately less is more...

[JoeyBryant]

And you're wrong about SA: I live in the area for some of the year and there's not only a vibrant gay community, but gays with money to spend. I'm one of them. You've pigeonholed San Antonio before even knowing what you're talking about, cutting off your nose to spite your face. But like I alluded to before, you have to walk your own path and hopefully learn from your own mistakes.

 

Its not as large of a OPENLY population as Dallas or Fort Lauderdale. If it were, they'd have the largest male underwear store in Texas here and they'd also have an entire named neighborhood of gay business lined up for miles. I havent seen that yet. You're welcome to show me, but Main street area doesnt count. I'm not saying its a bad thing, Im just saying it just doesn't exist. Calm down, Geesus.....

 

Thanks for the wish for luck, but you can keep that.

 

You can choose to not hire me if you wish, but I'd hate for a simple miscommunication over the forum to get you so riled up and miss a good thing

[jgoo]

I find your efforts to brand differentiate yourself and price accordingly to be interesting and see no reason why it should not work. While I do think it is possible (if it is well known that you are doing this) that it might canibalize somewhat the high end by people opting for the low end since it is an option and available, if done properly/carefully, it makes sense you are widing your market and will overall get more business that way. I, for one, would have been interested in hiring you as Joey Bryant when I visit San Antonio but having the option of hiring J, I probably would go for that now that it is an option I am aware of.

 

I also don't think that anyone who has responded so far should be considered haters as I think the comments have been reasonable.

[Greathands]

This thread is a perfect example of how reading a forum can be just as informative ... if not more ... than reading an actual review.

[NYTomcat]

I agree greathands. OK Joey the haters comment aside which is a little harsh I appreciate your sharing the business end with us. Its refreshing and honest. True it may not be what we all want to hear but we can and do appreciate the honesty

 

Jgoo and I are testament to that.

[zeferrelli]

I sort of like the idea Joey

[instudiocity]

Why not? I'm not offering the upscale clients the same thing. I can choose to be open about it, or I can choose to be discreet about it. But the difference is clear, its not the same. Y'all are making it seem like I have something to hide, there's really nothing to hide. If you want this and that, you go to Joey. If you just want this, you go to J. How hard can that be

 

It's not a question of confusion, it's a question of marketing. Part of the Joey Bryant experience is the mystery of who and what Joey is.

 

Believe me, I'm not the bottom shelf on my worse day LOL. J is no less caring than Joey Bryant. Its just that everything isn't included. Hilton is Hilton whether its the 2nd floor with double beds or the top floor suite. There's just more to one than the other. Some clients prefer that. Do you really need the top floor suite? Another analogy.

 

If I'm in a top floor suite, I'm don't even want to know about the 2nd floor double. Buying the suite means buying into the mystery of it being better. But seriously, once the lights are out, and I'm asleep, all the rooms are just alike, except it's a longer walk to the toilet in the middle of the night in that damn suite!

 

My attitude is going to get alot worse if you continue to base my reviews and post on my business. Dont do it again...

 

Yeah, he went over the top with that comment.

[BaronArtz]

Joey-baby ... it is not complicated. Either this idea SELLS and then you keep on doing it, or it DOESN'T SELL and you think of a new gig. That's all

[JoeyBryant]

Wow, after reflecting on this thread...I've changed my mind actually.

 

I just cant see myself letting Joey Bryant go (I know all this sounds like split-personality, but its really not LOL. I pretty much have 1 personality, which is hard to hide). Instead, I've decided to keep Joey and instead let J offer a separate type of service instead.

 

I'm actually no longer using A4A anymore. I feel that a4a doesn't allow the discreetness that the other sites do, namely because its so popular amongst bi-gay etc. men my age. And recently, its been proven to not provide the discreetness that I desire. I prefer to disclose my hobby when Im ready, not by having someone stumble across my ad

 

And being that San Antonio is such a small town, I was astonished at how much one would stand out. I think I'll use adam for personal uses only. Of course, thats a whole other topic