Gay Priest & Hero Mychal Judge

[HooBoy]

From Frank Rich's NY times Op Ed piece, April 27, 2002

 

In his latest effort to give himself some spiritual wiggle room, Cardinal Law said last weekend that "Some have likened the situation facing the Catholic Church in Boston and across the country to last year's Sept. 11 tragedy" — as if there were an equivalence between the slaughter of thousands of innocent victims by terrorists and the destruction of a religious institution brought on by its own priests' practice of victimizing their young charges.

 

There was heroism along with tragedy on Sept. 11, and it was often informed by true religious values: self-sacrifice, concern for others, accountability for one's own actions. Among the first casualties that morning was a Fire Department chaplain who hurried from his base at the St. Francis of Assisi church on 31st Street to the stricken World Trade Center so that he could minister to the dying. That hero, it should be recalled, was Mychal Judge, a Catholic priest, who, not that it should matter, happened to be gay.

[HooBoy]

From Frank Rich's NY times Op Ed piece, April 27, 2002

 

In his latest effort to give himself some spiritual wiggle room, Cardinal Law said last weekend that "Some have likened the situation facing the Catholic Church in Boston and across the country to last year's Sept. 11 tragedy" — as if there were an equivalence between the slaughter of thousands of innocent victims by terrorists and the destruction of a religious institution brought on by its own priests' practice of victimizing their young charges.

 

There was heroism along with tragedy on Sept. 11, and it was often informed by true religious values: self-sacrifice, concern for others, accountability for one's own actions. Among the first casualties that morning was a Fire Department chaplain who hurried from his base at the St. Francis of Assisi church on 31st Street to the stricken World Trade Center so that he could minister to the dying. That hero, it should be recalled, was Mychal Judge, a Catholic priest, who, not that it should matter, happened to be gay.

[HooBoy]

From Frank Rich's NY times Op Ed piece, April 27, 2002

 

In his latest effort to give himself some spiritual wiggle room, Cardinal Law said last weekend that "Some have likened the situation facing the Catholic Church in Boston and across the country to last year's Sept. 11 tragedy" — as if there were an equivalence between the slaughter of thousands of innocent victims by terrorists and the destruction of a religious institution brought on by its own priests' practice of victimizing their young charges.

 

There was heroism along with tragedy on Sept. 11, and it was often informed by true religious values: self-sacrifice, concern for others, accountability for one's own actions. Among the first casualties that morning was a Fire Department chaplain who hurried from his base at the St. Francis of Assisi church on 31st Street to the stricken World Trade Center so that he could minister to the dying. That hero, it should be recalled, was Mychal Judge, a Catholic priest, who, not that it should matter, happened to be gay.

[Guest RushNY]

I saw this piece at the weekend and it got me seriously pissed,how dare that asshole Law try and wriggle out of what happened in Boston (i.e he got busted ).

What happened on that day were people who didnt think twice about putting their lives in danger because its what they did,no questions asked,its what you do-period.

Father Judge was a hero to the FDNY and others because he cared about people,black,white,gay,straight it didnt matter he put himself second in all matters-how many Catholic priests would do that !,you could count them on the fingers of one hand and i was brought up a Catholic.

When the TWA flight went down in Long Island Sound,Father Mike stayed in the area for months counselling and helping people who needed someone to listen to and help with their problems.

The Catholic church for too long has sat on its ass and done nothing while these cases swirl around until it broke into the open,you can realize that it aint just Boston theres a problem,for too long priests have been abusing their powers by sexually abusing people.

Personally i want all these paedophiles out of their comfortable existences and in court answering for what they did and for Law to sully the reputation of someone like Father Judge is reprehensible and shows how desperate he is,the soon he's out the better.

Personally i would remember Father Judge and his achievements whether he was gay or not but as a man who gave his life to help others as the first official death of 9/11 i go with the quote that God needed Father Mike to lead people into Heaven thats why he was taken,if Cardinal Law thinks he be side by side with him when his time comes he seriously mistaken.

[Guest RushNY]

I saw this piece at the weekend and it got me seriously pissed,how dare that asshole Law try and wriggle out of what happened in Boston (i.e he got busted ).

What happened on that day were people who didnt think twice about putting their lives in danger because its what they did,no questions asked,its what you do-period.

Father Judge was a hero to the FDNY and others because he cared about people,black,white,gay,straight it didnt matter he put himself second in all matters-how many Catholic priests would do that !,you could count them on the fingers of one hand and i was brought up a Catholic.

When the TWA flight went down in Long Island Sound,Father Mike stayed in the area for months counselling and helping people who needed someone to listen to and help with their problems.

The Catholic church for too long has sat on its ass and done nothing while these cases swirl around until it broke into the open,you can realize that it aint just Boston theres a problem,for too long priests have been abusing their powers by sexually abusing people.

Personally i want all these paedophiles out of their comfortable existences and in court answering for what they did and for Law to sully the reputation of someone like Father Judge is reprehensible and shows how desperate he is,the soon he's out the better.

Personally i would remember Father Judge and his achievements whether he was gay or not but as a man who gave his life to help others as the first official death of 9/11 i go with the quote that God needed Father Mike to lead people into Heaven thats why he was taken,if Cardinal Law thinks he be side by side with him when his time comes he seriously mistaken.

[Guest RushNY]

I saw this piece at the weekend and it got me seriously pissed,how dare that asshole Law try and wriggle out of what happened in Boston (i.e he got busted ).

What happened on that day were people who didnt think twice about putting their lives in danger because its what they did,no questions asked,its what you do-period.

Father Judge was a hero to the FDNY and others because he cared about people,black,white,gay,straight it didnt matter he put himself second in all matters-how many Catholic priests would do that !,you could count them on the fingers of one hand and i was brought up a Catholic.

When the TWA flight went down in Long Island Sound,Father Mike stayed in the area for months counselling and helping people who needed someone to listen to and help with their problems.

The Catholic church for too long has sat on its ass and done nothing while these cases swirl around until it broke into the open,you can realize that it aint just Boston theres a problem,for too long priests have been abusing their powers by sexually abusing people.

Personally i want all these paedophiles out of their comfortable existences and in court answering for what they did and for Law to sully the reputation of someone like Father Judge is reprehensible and shows how desperate he is,the soon he's out the better.

Personally i would remember Father Judge and his achievements whether he was gay or not but as a man who gave his life to help others as the first official death of 9/11 i go with the quote that God needed Father Mike to lead people into Heaven thats why he was taken,if Cardinal Law thinks he be side by side with him when his time comes he seriously mistaken.

[Guest albinorat]

It's probably pointless and I detest Frank Rich and his cunt "wife" (I have good reason to think he's gay, if closeted and perhaps inactive).

 

Rich is a big opportunist and as far as I'm concerned the Times is just like the Catholic Church, responsive only to itself, governed by vicious infighting and intrigue, and full of reprobates and fools, some of whom achieve power or prominence in the corporate structure.

 

First of all, as I posted here before, Law is simply doing what Catholic Hierarchy has always done: asserting the primacy of 'Mother Church' over secular law (no puns) and customs.

 

There WOULD be no Catholic Church had that attitude not been the dominating one from the early days. Churchmen have no trouble wearing blinders and holding two opposing ideas in mind. Law as a man may be well aware of the evil and sympathize with the victims. On the other hand he will die protecting Mother Church and, I'm not being dramatic, I am sure he is prepared to be a martyr if need be.

 

This is why I have so little respect for 'believing Catholics'. Very often they are in fact selective about WHAT they believe and those dogmas and doctrines they obey. But if they believe 'The Christ' is keeping a record they're gonna be surprised come judgment day. Having disobeyed the church where obedience in His name is BASIC, they won't count as Catholic and will burn in hell-fire.

 

According to Catholic preaching and teaching no matter what your local priest tells you, to be a practicing homosexual means you are living in mortal sin (recent teaching has modified the old days by suggesting you can have those urges and even acknowledge them so long as you don't act on them). If you've supported abortion or, if female, had one; if you've divorced and re-married; if you've practiced birth control even in your marriage then it's the fire for you bro, have a good time, now.

 

No one says the obvious: Christianity is no more or less than a faith driven belief system, period. It has no historical basis and no provable spiritual power, or at least no more than any belief system (Satanists will tell you they pray and their prayers are answered too, and will also mention their 'hierarchs' don't molest children. But I doubt there is a "Satan", just as I doubt there is a "Christ"). So why is Christianity still there? Because people are STUPID.

 

I was raised a catholic and know all about it: we had molesting priests and child abusing nuns and EVERYBODY knew it. As far as I am aware no one was disciplined, transferred and of course, God forbid, no one was prosecuted. Those Catholics who knew and did nothing were ENABLERS and they are all guilty, and those who are somehow defending this still, are ENABLING.

 

I can't respect ANYONE who is a believing Catholic. Judge may have been a nice hardworking man, but he died a believing priest who was in the closet. His beliefs were ridiculous (or you think there is a Trinity, that Miriam the supposed mother of the supposed 'Jesus' was always and forever a virgin, that there is a hell where sucking cock sends you FOR ETERNITY?).

 

Of course the church is going to claim there's a connection between being gay and molesting boys. Fuck the FACT that most molesters are married, heterosexually identified in their own eyes, and start with their own kids. The Catholic Church is not founded on FACTS doncha know. Fuck girls, or better yet go ahead, no one cares that they are molested four or five to one, often more violently. Fuck the FACT that the vow of celibacy is an oath not to marry and reproduce, not to renounce sex (I don't think anyone has pointed that out but me here, the idiot rich Riches of the world don't know it, but it's something all priests know). Fuck the FACT that most molesters get married and continue to molest children.

 

I also have limited sympathy for some of the fifty-year-old victims who cry on TV and the many 'boys' of forty who want a piece of settlement pie. There's a difference between a naughty touch accompanied by a lot of affection, and rape -- not only in what was done, but in the effect the behavior has on the child.

 

I suspect a good many of the accused priests have been lonely and behaved inappropriately with the people they had most intimate access to (boys) but that only a monstrous relative few really were heavy duty child molesters (and I will NEVER grant that a 16 year old can't consent to sex and doesn't know what's going on. Whether people with privileged access to teens that age ought to have sex with them, and should keep their jobs and access if they do is another question. But I don't think consensual contact is in itself horrific or destructive to the teen, and I do believe in many cases the teen wants it.)

 

The whole thing is ridiculous if you ask me. But then, no one did. Which of course never stops me.

 

Al

[Guest albinorat]

It's probably pointless and I detest Frank Rich and his cunt "wife" (I have good reason to think he's gay, if closeted and perhaps inactive).

 

Rich is a big opportunist and as far as I'm concerned the Times is just like the Catholic Church, responsive only to itself, governed by vicious infighting and intrigue, and full of reprobates and fools, some of whom achieve power or prominence in the corporate structure.

 

First of all, as I posted here before, Law is simply doing what Catholic Hierarchy has always done: asserting the primacy of 'Mother Church' over secular law (no puns) and customs.

 

There WOULD be no Catholic Church had that attitude not been the dominating one from the early days. Churchmen have no trouble wearing blinders and holding two opposing ideas in mind. Law as a man may be well aware of the evil and sympathize with the victims. On the other hand he will die protecting Mother Church and, I'm not being dramatic, I am sure he is prepared to be a martyr if need be.

 

This is why I have so little respect for 'believing Catholics'. Very often they are in fact selective about WHAT they believe and those dogmas and doctrines they obey. But if they believe 'The Christ' is keeping a record they're gonna be surprised come judgment day. Having disobeyed the church where obedience in His name is BASIC, they won't count as Catholic and will burn in hell-fire.

 

According to Catholic preaching and teaching no matter what your local priest tells you, to be a practicing homosexual means you are living in mortal sin (recent teaching has modified the old days by suggesting you can have those urges and even acknowledge them so long as you don't act on them). If you've supported abortion or, if female, had one; if you've divorced and re-married; if you've practiced birth control even in your marriage then it's the fire for you bro, have a good time, now.

 

No one says the obvious: Christianity is no more or less than a faith driven belief system, period. It has no historical basis and no provable spiritual power, or at least no more than any belief system (Satanists will tell you they pray and their prayers are answered too, and will also mention their 'hierarchs' don't molest children. But I doubt there is a "Satan", just as I doubt there is a "Christ"). So why is Christianity still there? Because people are STUPID.

 

I was raised a catholic and know all about it: we had molesting priests and child abusing nuns and EVERYBODY knew it. As far as I am aware no one was disciplined, transferred and of course, God forbid, no one was prosecuted. Those Catholics who knew and did nothing were ENABLERS and they are all guilty, and those who are somehow defending this still, are ENABLING.

 

I can't respect ANYONE who is a believing Catholic. Judge may have been a nice hardworking man, but he died a believing priest who was in the closet. His beliefs were ridiculous (or you think there is a Trinity, that Miriam the supposed mother of the supposed 'Jesus' was always and forever a virgin, that there is a hell where sucking cock sends you FOR ETERNITY?).

 

Of course the church is going to claim there's a connection between being gay and molesting boys. Fuck the FACT that most molesters are married, heterosexually identified in their own eyes, and start with their own kids. The Catholic Church is not founded on FACTS doncha know. Fuck girls, or better yet go ahead, no one cares that they are molested four or five to one, often more violently. Fuck the FACT that the vow of celibacy is an oath not to marry and reproduce, not to renounce sex (I don't think anyone has pointed that out but me here, the idiot rich Riches of the world don't know it, but it's something all priests know). Fuck the FACT that most molesters get married and continue to molest children.

 

I also have limited sympathy for some of the fifty-year-old victims who cry on TV and the many 'boys' of forty who want a piece of settlement pie. There's a difference between a naughty touch accompanied by a lot of affection, and rape -- not only in what was done, but in the effect the behavior has on the child.

 

I suspect a good many of the accused priests have been lonely and behaved inappropriately with the people they had most intimate access to (boys) but that only a monstrous relative few really were heavy duty child molesters (and I will NEVER grant that a 16 year old can't consent to sex and doesn't know what's going on. Whether people with privileged access to teens that age ought to have sex with them, and should keep their jobs and access if they do is another question. But I don't think consensual contact is in itself horrific or destructive to the teen, and I do believe in many cases the teen wants it.)

 

The whole thing is ridiculous if you ask me. But then, no one did. Which of course never stops me.

 

Al

[Guest albinorat]

It's probably pointless and I detest Frank Rich and his cunt "wife" (I have good reason to think he's gay, if closeted and perhaps inactive).

 

Rich is a big opportunist and as far as I'm concerned the Times is just like the Catholic Church, responsive only to itself, governed by vicious infighting and intrigue, and full of reprobates and fools, some of whom achieve power or prominence in the corporate structure.

 

First of all, as I posted here before, Law is simply doing what Catholic Hierarchy has always done: asserting the primacy of 'Mother Church' over secular law (no puns) and customs.

 

There WOULD be no Catholic Church had that attitude not been the dominating one from the early days. Churchmen have no trouble wearing blinders and holding two opposing ideas in mind. Law as a man may be well aware of the evil and sympathize with the victims. On the other hand he will die protecting Mother Church and, I'm not being dramatic, I am sure he is prepared to be a martyr if need be.

 

This is why I have so little respect for 'believing Catholics'. Very often they are in fact selective about WHAT they believe and those dogmas and doctrines they obey. But if they believe 'The Christ' is keeping a record they're gonna be surprised come judgment day. Having disobeyed the church where obedience in His name is BASIC, they won't count as Catholic and will burn in hell-fire.

 

According to Catholic preaching and teaching no matter what your local priest tells you, to be a practicing homosexual means you are living in mortal sin (recent teaching has modified the old days by suggesting you can have those urges and even acknowledge them so long as you don't act on them). If you've supported abortion or, if female, had one; if you've divorced and re-married; if you've practiced birth control even in your marriage then it's the fire for you bro, have a good time, now.

 

No one says the obvious: Christianity is no more or less than a faith driven belief system, period. It has no historical basis and no provable spiritual power, or at least no more than any belief system (Satanists will tell you they pray and their prayers are answered too, and will also mention their 'hierarchs' don't molest children. But I doubt there is a "Satan", just as I doubt there is a "Christ"). So why is Christianity still there? Because people are STUPID.

 

I was raised a catholic and know all about it: we had molesting priests and child abusing nuns and EVERYBODY knew it. As far as I am aware no one was disciplined, transferred and of course, God forbid, no one was prosecuted. Those Catholics who knew and did nothing were ENABLERS and they are all guilty, and those who are somehow defending this still, are ENABLING.

 

I can't respect ANYONE who is a believing Catholic. Judge may have been a nice hardworking man, but he died a believing priest who was in the closet. His beliefs were ridiculous (or you think there is a Trinity, that Miriam the supposed mother of the supposed 'Jesus' was always and forever a virgin, that there is a hell where sucking cock sends you FOR ETERNITY?).

 

Of course the church is going to claim there's a connection between being gay and molesting boys. Fuck the FACT that most molesters are married, heterosexually identified in their own eyes, and start with their own kids. The Catholic Church is not founded on FACTS doncha know. Fuck girls, or better yet go ahead, no one cares that they are molested four or five to one, often more violently. Fuck the FACT that the vow of celibacy is an oath not to marry and reproduce, not to renounce sex (I don't think anyone has pointed that out but me here, the idiot rich Riches of the world don't know it, but it's something all priests know). Fuck the FACT that most molesters get married and continue to molest children.

 

I also have limited sympathy for some of the fifty-year-old victims who cry on TV and the many 'boys' of forty who want a piece of settlement pie. There's a difference between a naughty touch accompanied by a lot of affection, and rape -- not only in what was done, but in the effect the behavior has on the child.

 

I suspect a good many of the accused priests have been lonely and behaved inappropriately with the people they had most intimate access to (boys) but that only a monstrous relative few really were heavy duty child molesters (and I will NEVER grant that a 16 year old can't consent to sex and doesn't know what's going on. Whether people with privileged access to teens that age ought to have sex with them, and should keep their jobs and access if they do is another question. But I don't think consensual contact is in itself horrific or destructive to the teen, and I do believe in many cases the teen wants it.)

 

The whole thing is ridiculous if you ask me. But then, no one did. Which of course never stops me.

 

Al