Is it The Luck of The Draw?

[Guest tmbg]

This is the type of post that many here do not want to acknowledge. The reason being it forces them to look in the mirror and sometimes we do not like what we see.

 

I picked up a young guy in Hollywood earlier tonight. Since I do not live in the area I took him back to the hotel I was staying at. The ride back to the hotel was very quiet. My street urchin said very little and I am somewhat shy so didn't help matters much.

 

Once in my room we undressed and embraced immediately. His cock was hard as stone and I felt it push on mine as he kissed me with deep passionate kisses. Hitting the bed we were laughing, rubbing, sucking and bumping each other. Once we both finished he layed right there, didn't jump up to get dress. Instead he snuggled up to me and slowly stroked my hair. In return I embraced him and rubbed his back. After about 20 minutes of this I noticed it was getting late. I had to make it back home tonight, as I have an appointment early in the morning. I mentioned to the young guy that I had to get him back - he asked if he could take a quick shower. Naturally I said no problem at all. The entire time we were together I don't think we spoke as many words as this post is! Once out of the shower he dressed and I reached into my pocket to pay him. At that point he floored me by suggesting that he could take the bus back, from the hotel, so I could relax. I asked several times if he was sure (the bus ride had to be 30 minutes if not more) and each time he said yes.

I asked for a quick goodbye hug and he gave me a great hug and kiss. Then off he went.

 

Fee: $40.00 plus $40.00 tip

Age: 19

Ht 5'8"

Wt: 120

Hair & Eyes: Brown

Body Hair: Smooth as a Baby & I'm talking naturally too.

Cock: 6" C & Thick

Kiss: Yes

 

Now here is the point of this post. Are we fooling ourselves with so called professional escorts and their very high fees? Doesn't really come down to the luck of the draw?

 

Here are my thoughts, the pro-escorts say:

He lives on the street, is a drug user and has health issues.

 

I say that in some cases that is true. And in many cases that is true of the pro-escorts as well (aside from living on the streets -though we have read reviews here of escorts who live in weekly motels).

 

I say that aside from a few honest escorts most mask their HIV status. I approach every sexual encounter a if the guy is positive no matter what he tells me.

 

I say that not every kid on the street is doing drugs. As for my guy tonight I did not get the impression that he was on any drug, he had no needle marks and was very level in everything he did. I have been with too many pro-escorts wasted out of their minds, drunk or who simply lie about their drug usage.

 

I say that aside from lack of intelligent conversation and maybe lack of just cleaned clothes I would take the experience I had tonight over nearly every pro-escort I have had.

 

"You're folling yourself and you don't believe it" -if you think that what cost more means better quality when it comes to sex and a little companionship. For the first time on this board I will note that my ex boyfriend is/was a reasonably popular escort. I have nothing against escorts and note there are exceptions in every circumstance. The above is only an example of many fun times I've had meetng young guys in Hollywood over the past 10 months.

 

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Southern Blue Suicide]

You go girl! Work the street trade! Do an infomercial or write a how-to book. MTV needs to know about that. Gus Van Sant will direct.

 

 

-Mc-

[Guest tmbg]

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>You go girl! Work the street trade! Do an infomercial or

>write a how-to book. MTV needs to know about that. Gus Van

>Sant will direct.

>

>

 

Actually I would have Larry Clark & Gregg Araki direct -they would make one street-fuckin' movie! Gus has gone a little too mainstream for my taste

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Luck has nothing to do with it.

 

>"You're folling yourself and you don't believe it" -if you

>think that what cost more means better quality when it comes

>to sex and a little companionship.

 

I do not believe money is an accurate measurement of quality. I believe experience, education, social and verbal skills, sexual technique, physical appearance and a host of other factors play a judgment. In my particular instance, very few among my client base would have sought our your young man for any number of reasons.

 

If you have had this luck, then you should continue to play the hand that you have been dealt. Someone in Chicago, Des Moines or New Orleans may have neither your luck nor your taste in companionship.

 

Finally, I would counsel this young man, as I did two very young men who were on the sidewalk outside of the parking lot for Trader Joe's on Santa Monica Boulevard three days ago, to go to the youth center on Sunset Boulevard and avail themselves of its services and to charge a more realistic value for their time in the future.

 

 

Love is a stranger in a open car ....

[phage]

Don’t you have any ethical issues with picking up a 19-year-old kid, who is obviously in a difficult situation, and paying him a total of eighty bucks for the use of his body?

[Guest jizzdepapi]

innocence lost?

 

i too have had similar experiences. be careful because it's easy to fall in "love" with these street urchins.

 

i think it's really about our own lost innocence and memories of ones we loved when we were young.

 

i've learned a lot about myself and dealt with painful boyhood experiences, in part, through some touching experiences with these young guys.

 

best,

jizz

 

p.s.: phage, the poster isn't responsible for social conditions that might drive a young guy to the streets. doubling a fee with a 100% tip is a nice gesture, IMHO.

 

out of curiosity, what exactly have you done to ensure stability in the nuclear family that may well have rejected this kid, or to ensure that young people have access to substance abuse treatment, or to make sure that he had access to good educational opportunities?

[Southern Blue Suicide]

Hello,

 

 

Seriously, on this topic--I can't imagine circling the block several times in order to hire someone. It's not in my mindset. Giving a guy 40 bucks plus a 40 dollar tip, that's kinda inhuman. Stray dogs usually have worms. House dogs usually go to the vet regularly. Although I always assume ANYONE I'm with might be HIV positive, I am Mr Safety (condom, lube and get that big ass down). I have to go for the escort with a reputation or someone who can at least afford a computer, pager or cell phone. I like a guy with a car who pays rent.

 

 

I'd imagine it's relative to how financially liberal you are. For example, some people eat out alot at restaurants, some people hit the drive-thru, others eat at home, and many folks out of the dumpster. I travel tons and stay at better hotels and resorts, I prefer delivery like Take Out Taxi or Gourmet-To-Go. I want to be able to chill out, drink or gamble at my place and call an escort over whenever I want him. Home delivery means everything to me :O) Occationally, you might get cold food or a bad escort but at least when you don't like either you can just send them away without having to drop them off downtown on the corner or down at the bus stop. I pay for that luxury. I would never ever cruise the homeless or guys hanging out on the street.

 

I guess this is a topic more suited for the Street Hustlers dept. Is that conference still here? I've never read it.

 

 

-Mc-

[phage]

RE: innocence lost?

 

>p.s.: phage, the poster isn't responsible for social

>conditions that might drive a young guy to the streets.

>doubling a fee with a 100% tip is a nice gesture, IMHO.

 

I am always amused, but no longer surprised, by the lengths that chicken hawks will go to rationalize taking advantage of extremely young (but admittedly legal) guys. You can euphemistically call them ‘street urchins’ all you want but that doesn’t make them anything other than what they are -- homeless kids. You wax on about ‘touching experiences’ but you are still taking advantage of their desperation. And I would love to know how ‘touching’ they found the experience.

 

Aren’t you the one going off to save some country from the evil forces of the US government? I guess you’ll be able to have a great time with all the poverty and desperation down there.

 

>out of curiosity, what exactly have you done to ensure

>stability in the nuclear family that may well have rejected

>this kid, or to ensure that young people have access to

>substance abuse treatment, or to make sure that he had

>access to good educational opportunities?

 

Ensuring the stability of the nuclear family is a little beyond my capacity, however, I take responsibility for my own family and my own actions. You won’t find anyone in my rather large and extended family who doesn’t have a place to go. We have had children that, for one reason or another, needed to leave their parent’s home and they go to an Aunt or Uncle -- not the streets. (I had one live with me for more than a year.)

 

I don’t claim to be Mother Theresa, but as a matter of fact, I do support the Los Angeles Youth Supportive Services each year. They run outreach programs for all runaways, but are very good with gay youth, and particularly those who have been forced into selling sexual favors in order to survive.

 

It’s only money and I could do more, but at least I don’t go around taking advantage of the misfortunes of these kids. There are plenty of young guys out there who have their lives in reasonable order and are just drawn to the easy money. I would think that would be enough to satisfy the cravings of chicken hawks, but I guess you can’t get one of them for forty bucks and a ‘nice’ tip. (Maybe they’ll develop a drug habit that can be exploited. Hopefully before they turn twenty-one and are too old to be of interest.)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Playschool 'R US?

 

Phage: I am always amused... to rationalize taking advantage of extremely young (but admittedly legal) guys...

 

Jizz: extremely young? i don't know about the well-balanced john, but i call 12- or 15-year-old extremely young. I've heard that Mary bore Jesus at the age of 13, so have never considered my interest in guys in their late teens or, more commonly their 20s, an interest in chicken.

 

Phage: You can euphemistically call them ‘street urchins’ all you want but that doesn’t make them anything other than what they are -- homeless kids. You wax on about ‘touching experiences’ but you are still taking advantage of their desperation. And I would love to know how ‘touching’ they found the experience.

 

Jizz: actually, most of my connections have homes to go to. in the cases where they don't, i don't assume responsibility for that and am certainly not happy about it. i really can't speak about how touching they found the experience (i doubt they were touched at all) but i may not be the only john here who enjoys being intimate with guys who are at an age where we were deep in the closet but desparately wanted to act out feelings of attraction and affection. 20 or 30 years later may not be optimal but go figure.

 

Phage: Aren’t you the one going off to save some country from the evil forces of the US government? I guess you’ll be able to have a great time with all the poverty and desperation down there.

 

Jizz: Yup; the country is Colombia and you refer to U.S.-funded death squads. Speculate as you will, but I had planned to keep it zipped up while there; certainly hope they recognize a non-exploitive gringo when they see one.

 

Phage: Ensuring the stability of the nuclear family is a little beyond my capacity... I don’t claim to be Mother Theresa, but as a matter of fact, I do support the Los Angeles Youth Supportive Services each year... but at least I don’t go around taking advantage of the misfortunes of these kids...

 

Jizz: there's numerous threads in the archives about "hustlers" v. "escorts." i don't assume i'm "taking advantage" of anyone if i connnect with one rather than the other. i still maintain that $80 rather than $40, rendered freely, is generous. i also hope that they don't turn to drugs; if they have, i hope i can provide them with a victimless way to make some money. i'm not especially proud of being part of a"gay for drugs(?)" syndrome but don't assume responsibility for it, either. (ahem; wonder if any of the higher-class hookers or even johns might be slightly messed up on prescription or other drugs? hope, johns who frequent those escorts are ready to assume responsibility for that.)

 

If I go to T.J. Maxx and find the same pair of shoes for $50 that I might find at a fancy store for $200, I'm glad to find a bargain. I certainly don't feel the responsibity to offer more than the ticketed price. and if i find 15 min. or 1 hour or even an overnight of solace and sexual pleasure with someone who may desperately need the money, I still don't see that as different than paying for a more expensive escort.

 

Hanging at the Port Authority, it's quickly evident that papi turns most tricks with older guys on fixed incomes, mostly Social Security. they do what they have to and there's no gun pointed at their head as they jaunt off merrily with their latest trick.

 

FYI: I'm noted for my generosity by papi and his friends. When I show up to do some shopping, papi and all his friends show lots of interest. sometimes, papi's friends try to cut into his action, but i quickly let them know that i find that morally repugnant.

[phage]

RE: Playschool 'R US?

 

>Jizz: extremely young? i don't know about the well-balanced

>john, but i call 12- or 15-year-old extremely young. I've

>heard that Mary bore Jesus at the age of 13, so have never

>considered my interest in guys in their late teens

>or, more commonly their 20s, an interest in chicken.

 

We could debate ad nauseam about the definition of a slang term, but anyone I’ve ever known considers teenagers, even late ones, ‘chicken.’ I know that ‘twink lover’ is the preferred euphemism these days, but I think ‘chicken hawk’ more accurately describes the predatory nature of the relationship

 

The breeding habits of people who lived 2000 years ago and generally didn’t make it past 40 is irrelevant, and there are much stronger terms for someone preying on the 12 to 15-year-olds these days.

 

>Jizz: actually, most of my connections have homes to go to.

>in the cases where they don't, i don't assume responsibility

>for that and am certainly not happy about it.

 

Perhaps I missed something but I thought we were specifically talking about homeless kids…or ‘street urchins’ if you prefer. Certainly that is what tmbg described.

 

>but i may not be the only john

>here who enjoys being intimate with guys who are at an age

>where we were deep in the closet but desparately wanted to

>act out feelings of attraction and affection. 20 or 30 years

>later may not be optimal but go figure.

 

That makes it okay? By all means, work out your ‘issues’ and give the kid his own set to work out 20 or 30 years from now.

 

>Jizz: Yup; the country is Colombia and you refer to

>U.S.-funded death squads. Speculate as you will, but I had

>planned to keep it zipped up while there; certainly hope

>they recognize a non-exploitive gringo when they see one.

 

You obviously don’t agree that taking advantage of desperate young men is exploitive, but from where I sit, you’d be very hard to recognize.

 

>If I go to T.J. Maxx and find the same pair of shoes for $50

>that I might find at a fancy store for $200, I'm glad to

>find a bargain. I certainly don't feel the responsibity to

>offer more than the ticketed price.

 

It amazes me that a liberal revolutionary like yourself has no compunction about equating a HUMAN BEING to a pair of shoes. You really do have an interesting (and convenient) concept of what constitutes oppression and exploitation.

 

>and if i find 15 min. or

>1 hour or even an overnight of solace and sexual pleasure

>with someone who may desperately need the money, I still

>don't see that as different than paying for a more expensive

>escort.

 

If you see no difference between having to do something out of desperation and doing it by choice, there doesn’t seem to be much hope for you as a revolutionary. The only reason you would have such gigantic blinders on is because it benefits you personally. Since you seem to have no problem exploiting people when it comes to getting your rocks off, why all the fuss about the Colombians?

[Guest jizzdepapi]

huh?

 

dear phage:

 

please don't talk to me about blinders.

 

1) you seem to love inflamnatory terms like chicken hawk. i thought i was really clear that i have no interest in 12 to 15 years old.

 

2) you seem totally disinterested in seeing or acknowledging points i raised about exploitation of both high-class and low(?)-class escorts/hustlers. are you so totally in denial about the 'unsavoriness' of your own desires? do you think you're engaging in a different transaction because you connect on the internet or use a fancy hotel?

 

3) if you have a point to make about revolutionaries and it is possible for you to do so, would you clearly state what it is? i'd love to respond but find it impossible since all you have stated to date is free-wheeling contempt, and from your snide tone, i guess distrust.

 

4) would you please re-read the original post and point out where the youth was identified as homeless or desparate. foaming at the mouth; waiting to get a fix?

 

p.s.: on re-reading the original post, i noticed that the young man was paid $80 for a 20. minute encounter. $240/hr is pretty nice pay for many young people i would think.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Don’t you have any ethical issues with picking up a

>19-year-old kid, who is obviously in a difficult situation,

>and paying him a total of eighty bucks for the use of his

>body?

 

Hey there - hold on a minute - how many hours would this kid have to earn at a minimum wage job to make 80 bucks after taxes. Just think about it. He gets a little affection and companionship and I doubt if the sex was unpleasant for him, he probably enjoyed getting off. $80 bucks, tax free for an hours work (at the maximum) ain't all that bad. It's a fuck of a lot more than I earn!

 

Thunderbuns

[phage]

RE: huh?

 

>1) you seem to love inflamnatory terms like chicken hawk. i

>thought i was really clear that i have no interest in 12 to

>15 years old.

 

And I was equally clear that you are the only person I have heard say that ‘chicken’ refers to boys 12 to 15. Maybe I missed the memo that said ‘twink’ has replaced ‘chicken’ and now ‘chicken’ means ‘child.’ Maybe my friends and I have been using the term improperly ever since we were ‘chicken’ ourselves.

 

>2) you seem totally disinterested in seeing or acknowledging

>points i raised about exploitation of both high-class and

>low(?)-class escorts/hustlers. are you so totally in denial

>about the 'unsavoriness' of your own desires? do you think

>you're engaging in a different transaction because you

>connect on the internet or use a fancy hotel?

 

You’ll have to help me on where there was a point worth acknowledging. I looked back and tried to find it and all I could come up with was:

 

1. “ (ahem; wonder if any of the higher-class hookers or even johns might be slightly messed up on prescription or other drugs? hope, johns who frequent those escorts are ready to assume responsibility for that.)”

 

2. “I still don't see that as different than paying for a more expensive escort.”

 

The first one is a hypothetical hardly worth acknowledging and I did address the second one. If by “seeing or acknowledging” you mean agreeing with you, then you are correct, I am totally disinterested in doing that.

 

I am hardly in denial about my own desires, but that is exactly why I would never take advantage of a man – young or otherwise – who was prostituting out of desperation. That is what makes it a different transaction. It has nothing to do with the Internet or a fancy hotel – it is the fact that it is with a grown man who has CHOSEN the profession and not a kid that is doing it to survive.

 

>3) if you have a point to make about revolutionaries and it

>is possible for you to do so, would you clearly state what

>it is? i'd love to respond but find it impossible since all

>you have stated to date is free-wheeling contempt, and from

>your snide tone, i guess distrust.

 

I have no point about revolutionaries other than I always thought they were more selfless than you seem to be. You are correct about the distrust though. I distrust all extremists – regardless of what they are extreme about.

 

>4) would you please re-read the original post and point out

>where the youth was identified as homeless or desparate.

>foaming at the mouth; waiting to get a fix?

 

>>>>>"Fee: $40.00 plus $40.00 tip"

>>>>>"Age: 19"

 

>>>>>"I say that aside from lack of intelligent conversation and maybe lack of just cleaned clothes I would take the experience I had tonight over nearly every pro-escort I have had. "

 

I guess I could be reading too much into this, but 19 years old plus dirty clothes plus a $40 fee for full sex -- not a quick blow job in a car – you do the math. Also the fact that he wanted to shower. You wouldn’t expect a kid with dirty clothes to keep his body clean unless he really was a clean kid who just didn’t have any way to clean his clothes.

 

It doesn’t really matter, because ever since the original post, I have been having this “discussion” with you, and you’re the one that said, “actually, most of my connections have homes to go to. in the cases where they don't, i don't assume responsibility for that”. Whether this kid was homeless or not, you’ve made it clear that you don’t care one way or the other. I know…you’re not “happy” about it.

 

>p.s.: on re-reading the original post, i noticed that the

>young man was paid $80 for a 20. minute encounter. $240/hr

>is pretty nice pay for many young people i would think.

 

Please re-read one more time.

 

“Once we both finished he layed right there, didn't jump up to get dress. Instead he snuggled up to me and slowly stroked my hair. In return I embraced him and rubbed his back. After about 20 minutes of this I noticed it was getting late.”

 

It was 20 minutes of post-coital snuggling.

[Guest doc]

RE: Luck has nothing to do with it.

 

>If you have had this luck, then you should continue to play

>the hand that you have been dealt. Someone in Chicago, Des

>Moines or New Orleans may have neither your luck nor your

>taste in companionship.

 

 

I think there are three, maybe four gay men in Des Moines, none being hustlers. Advertising escorts are the only available option. Those being few and far between.

 

If Des Moines does indeed have hustlers they are hid very well. I would be afraid of being caught by the vice cops. Hiring an Escort is not 100% safe from being busted, but I would rather not be cheap and have some piece of mind by hiring an escort who has been reviewed on this site.

[Guest tmbg]

>Don’t you have any ethical issues with picking up a

>19-year-old kid, who is obviously in a difficult situation,

>and paying him a total of eighty bucks for the use of his

>body?

 

No guilt whatsoever. I had a great time and I feel the young MAN did as well. He seemed more like a kid trying to get some party money together than some desperate kid living on the street. Though either way I have no guilt whatsoever, he was legal age, determined at his own will to spend some time with me, and as I mentioned seemed to enjoy the sex. I DO feel guilty that I decided not to give the 50 year old shopping cart, homeless man outside of Jack In The Box on Highland any change when he asked. Maybe next time.

 

I wonder do you feel guilty paying for sex with an pro-escort knowing that he is addicted to some chemical & is lieing to you about nearly everything? Oh I see you feel because he can afford a computer and has a review here, that makes it all OK, imagine that.

 

I tend to enjoy quality at a good price. If I can buy a great steak at Palm a bit less than some other place I usually will give it a try.

 

BTW I didn't notice you on the Blvd passing out feed vouchers, condoms or motel passes. Too comfy at home writing the guilt checks?

That brings up another question, in earlier threads you have stated you live in San Diego, Iwould then have to assume you are writing the Storefront guilt checks as well, no? Imagine that.

 

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[phage]

>No guilt whatsoever. I had a great time and I feel the young

>MAN did as well.

 

Sure he did. Keep telling yourself that.

 

>He seemed more like a kid trying to get

>some party money together than some desperate kid living on

>the street. Though either way I have no guilt whatsoever,

>he was legal age, determined at his own will to spend some

>time with me, and as I mentioned seemed to enjoy the sex.

 

Hey, as long as you had a good time. That’s all that matters, right?

 

>I wonder do you feel guilty paying for sex with an

>pro-escort knowing that he is addicted to some chemical & is

>lieing to you about nearly everything?

 

The statement above is absurd. It’s almost like, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” No, I do not feel guilty because I do not hire escorts that are drug addicted and lie to me about almost everything. You really need to start hanging around a better class of escort.

 

>I tend to enjoy quality at a good price. If I can buy a

>great steak at Palm a bit less than some other place I

>usually will give it a try.

 

An appropriate analogy since you seem to consider these guys pieces of meat.

 

>BTW I didn't notice you on the Blvd passing out feed

>vouchers, condoms or motel passes. Too comfy at home writing

>the guilt checks?

 

As opposed to your method of helping them one orgasm at a time? You’re right, my “guilt” checks don’t do enough, but at least I do no harm.

 

>That brings up another question, in earlier threads you have

>stated you live in San Diego, Iwould then have to assume you

>are writing the Storefront guilt checks as well, no? Imagine

>that.

 

I support the LA service because the need is much greater than in San Diego and I have a personal connection to that organization. I’m sure it’s upsetting that they might actually get one of these pieces of meat off the street and ruin all your fun.

[Guest tmbg]

>

>>BTW I didn't notice you on the Blvd passing out feed

>>vouchers, condoms or motel passes. Too comfy at home writing

>>the guilt checks?

>

>As opposed to your method of helping them one orgasm at a

>time? You’re right, my “guilt” checks don’t do enough, but

>at least I do no harm.

>

No harm? Well officer I didn't shoot the gun, I just stood by and watch this other dude do so. A bit high and mighty arent thou?

 

>>That brings up another question, in earlier threads you have

>>stated you live in San Diego, Iwould then have to assume you

>>are writing the Storefront guilt checks as well, no? Imagine

>>that.

>

>I support the LA service because the need is much greater

>than in San Diego and I have a personal connection to that

>organization. I’m sure it’s upsetting that they might

>actually get one of these pieces of meat off the street and

>ruin all your fun.

 

YOU DECIDED? YOU MADE TAHIS DECISION THAT THE NEED IS GREATER? Who are YOU to decide?

 

You probably wear a peace sign T-Shirt cuz it makes you feel as if you are doing something. I am so sick of you write a check liberials, affraid to look someone in the eye -instead you hide behind your feel good check book thinking you have just bought yourself a ticket the meet with God.

 

I repeat I had a great time with the young man, far better than with many pro-escorts I have been with, and I sure hope he is out there working the streets for whatever reason, so I can have more fun. Is that clear enough for you?

 

Wait, I hear a tree falling, better write a check, right?

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[alanalt]

Up 'til now I've been content to lurk, so thanks Ritchie for drawing me out. I have two friends who each bought a car the same week about four years ago. One went to the local equivelent of 'Al's Junkyard and bought a used car for about $2,000 (all dollar figures are Canadian, BTW;-) ). He takes it in for servicing about once a year for $100 a visit and his car has run great ever since. My other friend went to a reputable dealership, paid $40,000 and had nothing but trouble ever since. So, yes, obviously luck can play a factor. But it's also kind of dangerous to base consumer decisions on these kinds of anecdotes, otherwise 'Al' would be the only guy left selling cars in my city.

 

So, Ritchie, the point I want to make is that you were lucky. I hope you continue to be lucky and that the guys you pick up never pull out a badge on you (or worse, a gun).

 

Now on the other hand, I've only started hiring escorts in the last year. I've had a number of sessions with different escorts and every one of them has been great, but I don't feel particularly lucky. That's because I carefully screen who I choose as an escort. I've been a fan of this site for over two years (a year before I considered hiring escorts, myself). I don't choose anyone who hasn't been reviewed and (with one exception, because of the positive reviews, including one from HooBoy himself) they've all had webpages and been listed in various other sites. Then I contact them, exchange phone and e-mail messages and make sure that I'm going to be comfortable before the main event. So yes, every session has been great.

 

So until Ritchie (or someone else) can reliably tell me which street hustlers in Alberta are 'good' and which to avoid, I'll take my odds (and the additional expense) over those faced by Ritchie any day.

 

Just my $0.02!!

[guyinsf]

You may have already seen 101 Rent Boys, but if not, I suggest you rent it. The film certainly has its problems, one of which is that the focus is nearly exclusively on "boys" working Santa Monica Boulevard. One thing I took away from the film was the diversity of the hustlers. Some were criminals, taking money and then not having sex with their johns. Some were desperate characters, drug addicted and depressed. Some had regular places to live and others did not. There was a former gang member who decided he would rather make money by selling sex than by being violent and ripping people off. Some chose, yes CHOSE, this line of work, at least for the time being. Some seemed pretty similar to some of the escorts I've hired except that many of them were not very physically attractive.

 

I say all of this to suggest that you take a step back and look again. Do you really think that all guys, young or not, working on the street are the same? Are they all deeply disturbed runaways who feel that they have no options? Do you think that paying a guy for sex who happens to be 35 years old but is still struggling with the same psychological issues he had at 19 is as exploitative?

 

I have hired a few young guys but no one off the street. As someone else said, it isn't my style...plus the risk of legal problems becomes greater. I also mostly prefer guys around my age (40). All of the young men I've hired, however, seem to have chosen to do this to make money, often while going to school. Some of them have seemed VERY comfortable with it (really able to engage on a personal and sexual level) and some have seemed awkward and detached. This has been my experience with older escorts as well. I think the reality is that some young men and older men are truly comfortable with prostitution and having sex with a variety of men. Others don't really like their "job," regardless of the pay ($40 or $200).

 

I'm not denying the reality that some young gay teens are thrown out of their parents houses after they come out, and I think preying on UNDERAGE boys who have few options is very sad. I had a pretty miserable home life and would have left home after I came out had it not been for the good advice of my school counselor. (Still, I wasn't THROWN out of the house.) Had I run away and come to San Francisco, with very limited work experience and only being in the 11th grade, what would I have done? Perhaps I would have ended up on Polk Street trading sex for money. Perhaps I would have returned home. Perhaps I would have gotten a job washing dishes in a restaurant. Even then I had the intellectual and emotional knowledge to understand that I was responsible for my behavior and that different choices would yield different consequences.

 

I would argue that someone who is an ADULT does have absolute choice, even if it is difficult for any particular individual to feel this is true for him. Yes, SOME young adults have suffered a lot of trauma but they DO have choices as to how to address that, particularly in larger cities with established service agencies. If one's choice is to sell sex on the street, with or without a drug habit, that is that person's choice to make.

 

While I do think that the term "chicken hawk" has been used to refer to "older" men pursuing younger men (late teens), in my experience it was used when I was under 18. I certainly wasn't referred to as "chicken" after I was 20.

 

It has also been my experience that an escort's fee bears little relationship to the quality of sex I have with him.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Communication is AS ALWAYS the key

 

>Now on the other hand, I've only started hiring escorts in

>the last year. I've had a number of sessions with different

>escorts and every one of them has been great, but I don't

>feel particularly lucky. That's because I carefully screen

>who I choose as an escort. I've been a fan of this site for

>over two years (a year before I considered hiring escorts,

>myself). I don't choose anyone who hasn't been reviewed and

>(with one exception, because of the positive reviews,

>including one from HooBoy himself) they've all had webpages

>and been listed in various other sites. Then I contact

>them, exchange phone and e-mail messages and make sure that

>I'm going to be comfortable before the main event. So yes,

>every session has been great.

>

 

As is screening, questions, conversation. Any escort who would not be willing to spend time with you in advance, to speak with you on the telephone or in person, to answer your questions in an email or other reasonable forum, irrespective of age or cost is perhaps someone not to engage.

[Guest Ant415]

RE: huh?

 

<I am hardly in denial about my own desires, but that is exactly why I would never take advantage of a man – young or otherwise – who was prostituting out of desperation. >

 

Phage,

 

Are you sure all the escorts you have hired are not prostituting out of desperation? How do you determine if he loves this work and sex, or if he does it because he has to? Since many escort sessions create an illusion, many escorts are good at pretending that all is good fun, good business, and they are happy.

 

It may come as a shock to some, but some escorts don't like the sex they have with clients.

 

I may go out on a limb here.... but the $200 escort with a web-page, car, and apartment, sucks your dick for some cash to buy food and shelter. Smart enough to ask for $200, he can throw some of life's luxuries into the fold, e.g., some jeans, toothpaste, a nice haircut, a few hits of E, circuit party tickets, Madonna concert tickets, etc.

 

So, if you take out the genuine desire for the sex, what is left? ...MONEY... Lots of guys get into escort work as a way to make some fast money. Since youth is sought after in this gay world, they can sell that at a high rate. There are examples of men who truley enjoy the sex work, and meeting the men, fluffed egos, but I think they are the exception.

 

Years ago, I met (hired) one guy who was 19 years old (gasp!!!), we met via aol escort profiles. He well educated, well-mannered, and had goals to complete college. However, kicked out from his folks' home when they learned he was gay, he resorted to escort work. He shared an apartment, had a decent car, bathed every day, and nicer clothes than I. He did escort work because he was desparate. Not knowing his past, he sure seemed well-adjusted and collected, but months later he told me that each date was degrading to him. However, he could never pay rent and tuition working at Starbucks. He selected his path.

 

The 19 yo guy Ritchie met sounds as if he is stable and smart. Perhaps it was his first or second day to sell sex, and he was not able to conduct himself with ease. I don't think it will take him long to learn the ropes, raise his rates to the market level, get online, and live well. By age 20 he will have an apartment and tickets to the White Party.