A Cardinal Rule of Escorting - a casualty of the hard economic times??

[Guest manrent1]

I posted this on the MSS yesterday - thought I'd post here as well. By the way this is "rentingdad" now know as "rentingdad2" because I couldn't figure out how to use my old screen name on this board!

 

One of the cardinal rules I was always told by experienced escorts I hired was that phone call and requests for appointments should always come from the client and not pro-actively from the escort.

 

Now there are a few guys that I've been seeing for several years with whom I've developed relationships that often mean periodic phone calls or texts to just check in and chat - so those fall into a different category in my book.

 

 

However, in the last couple of months I've had escorts that I've hired once or twice - who proactively call or text me asking when I want to see them again. Is this a sign of the bad economic times? I personally find it a little disconcerting and not a turn-on at all. Case in point is a nice enough guy that I hired a month or so ago - he ended up playing in part of a group scene that lasted maybe 2 hours. I paid him - with a nice tip - and he was on his merry way. Since that encounter (and it was fine not great but not bad) I've had several phone calls and/or texts asking when I'm coming back to town, if I want to see him again, etc., etc.

Am I old-fashioned in this regard?

 

I've even had two guys that fall into the same category as above who have called asking for money, loans, etc., - in exchange for future visits.

Thoughts?

[Greathands]

In my opinion, these guys aren't escorts, they're simply hustlers.

[edjames]

I guess it must be a sign of the times. I, too, have had several text messages and phone calls from guys recently. It may also be that they are just trying to keep in touch with clients, too. And here I was thinking that they just couldn't be without me! HLOL!

 

No one has asked for money or loans, and no matter what, or who,I would never do that.

 

 

Ed

[jawjateck]

A few months ago, I met a local guy from craigslist. Hot, passionate, goodlooking; we met a couple of times, played around, had dinner together, but he clearly considered me his second ATM machine (ughhh...that takes me back to the days of dating women!). After our second date, in addition to the fee I gave him, he asked me to pay for some upcoming dental work he had scheduled. I was like huh? WTF? I sent him on his way with no more than the fee I originally gave him. He called several times wanting to get together. I grew tired of his messages, ignored a few of the calls, but eventually told him we did not have an arrangement, and I would not be seeing him again. He has not called anymore. The economy had him down, but I knew better than to become his "daddy". I'm too young for that anyway. LOL!

[imrthr]

Escort versus Hustler

 

In my opinion, these guys aren't escorts, they're simply hustlers.

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Not to be blunt, BUT, isn’t the word “escort” just a politically correct way of saying “hustler?”

 

A rose by any name - - is still a rose - - -

[Bart]

A bit harsh

 

I think it is good business to contact a past client if you as an escort are going to be traveling through the area again. Last night I happened to receive a text from a gentleman I had a great time with. Unfortunately for him I do not have the slightest idea how to text and do not have a desire to learn so I can not respond. Being a person who can not usually do last minute hook-ups do not mind former guys asking if passing through.

 

Now to ask a couple of times in a week or two is uncalled for. If a guy can not take a no tell him to take a hike.

 

Now as to the term hustling, no way is escorting hustling. First off client usually contacts an escort first. I do not consider contacting a former client that you will be traveling into his area pushing the envelope.

 

Now I do have a couple guys who will call and ask if going to have an opening, that is pushing the envelope, especially since they think they have a friendship-type thing going but can become nuisance type stuff .

 

Asking for money in advance or help with a "Medical??" bill that is wrong. I had someone ( he has many good reviews including one of mine from a first meeting) who I saw a couple of times several years ago, than gave not one but two sob stories about 6 weeks apart. He did not come right out and ask for money but definitely the hope that I would offer was there. After the second try at it and I did not take the bait, he stopped calling me, even for chit chat like he had in the past. Now that is hustling.

[Okliehomo]

Can't really speak to the whole "women/ATM" issue, as I have never dated one, but I can testify that boyfriends can be just as ...um... draining..... and not always in the good way, either. In fact, it was my last deadbeat bf that led me down this sordid path to hiring.... as I thought (rationalized?? you bet) at the time, it would be cheaper... and it was for awhile.. nowadays, not so much... but then again, I didn't feel the need to have multiple bfs all at the same time like I do now.

 

Crazy is as crazy does. Make that compulsive... and a little greedy.

 

No escorts from the past have contacted me for repeated visits or loans. But overnites and the travel issue might have something to do with that.

 

Okie

[alanalt]

I agree. E-mails/phone calls of the 'staying in touch' variety are one thing and are something to be welcomed/appreciated. And they're very easy to tell apart from the 'when can I see you again' messages, which are an imposition.

 

And if someone wants to see 'escort' as a PC way of saying 'hustler', that's fine - after all, words mean different things to different people. But, as in most professions, there is a degree of difference of expectation and class within occupations. Just as I expect to be treated differently by a maitre d' at a formal restaurant compared to the server at a 'greasy spoon', I would also have differing expectations from 'escorts' versus 'hustlers'.

[Greathands]

As usual, this is my opinion and I don't expect others to agree.

 

From my experience, I have come to believe that there is definately a difference between an escort, a prostitute and a hustler.

 

An escort is a person who provides a service and does so in a professional manner. I believe a good escort is sensitive to their clients needs, which may not be just sex.

 

A prostitute (again, in my opinion) is a person who has sex for money. Simply that. They sell their body for sex.

 

A hustler is someone who is not so concerned with providing a service as they are about the money they need.

 

I could go on and on about the differences I see between these, but I think you'll get the gist of my thoughts.

[imrthr]

As usual, this is my opinion and I don't expect others to agree.

 

From my experience, I have come to believe that there is definately a difference between an escort, a prostitute and a hustler.

 

An escort is a person who provides a service and does so in a professional manner. I believe a good escort is sensitive to their clients needs, which may not be just sex.

 

A prostitute (again, in my opinion) is a person who has sex for money. Simply that. They sell their body for sex.

 

A hustler is someone who is not so concerned with providing a service as they are about the money they need.

 

I could go on and on about the differences I see between these, but I think you'll get the gist of my thoughts.

 

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Again, not to be blunt, BUT - -

 

(1) “A prostitute is a person who has sex for money. Simply that. They sell their body for sex.”

 

Do “escorts” not also sell their body for sex?

 

(2) “A hustler is someone who is not so concerned with providing a service as they are about the money they need.”

 

I have read countless posts on this site where a client complains about the poor service received from “escorts” hired from various sites, including this site.

 

(3) “I could go on and on about the differences I see between these, but I think you'll get the gist of my thoughts.”

 

I still don’t see a difference between an escort and a hustler. Take away the money from the arrangement and what do you have left?

 

It is not my intention to denigrate any profession, particularly the wonderful profession so often discussed on this site.

 

I made my post because I could not resist responding to “Greathands” euphemistic term to describe an escort.

[seaboy4hire]

I don't see anything wrong with an escort contacting a past client letting them know that they will be in town. I do this with a few of the guys I see because they have told me that they no longer pay that much attention to the message board and one barely knows about it. Mind you I have asked if they all would like me to let them know and they said yes. Had they said no I'd have left it at that. Now as for the guy asking help for dental work that is a bit much. If he needed dental insurance or health insurance they can be bought or he could even *gasp* get a day job that offered such things. To ask a client for a loan and what not for things that should be his responsibility is no bueno.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[JT Brooklyn]

Workng Guys Who Over Work It

 

I'm sure there are the guys who do PUSH IT a bit. Probably now adays for a few reasons in Large Markets like NYC Economy-Competition.

 

In much smaller Markets with fewer Clients to depend on, and fewer Working Guys available, I'm guessing contacting a client isn't seen as such a No-No.

 

But I would think the Clients Dick will only go UP, when the Client is ready!

 

No "Working Guy" I know.. makes Contact for "other than" Friendly catching up once in awhile!

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey man!

 

As an escort that sometimes goes back to specific locations where I meet clients I do contact my regulars every single time I am planning to visit. I only do this, however if I am asked to do so. Sometimes (if I am good) I use special occasions to send a short note to clients that I appreciate just to send my good wishes and thank them for the great experiences that I had with them. In few cases, with the few clients with whom I travel often, and only if they ask me to do so I write now and then to know how things are.

 

I believe that due to the discreet nature of my profession that it is not okay for me to contact clients to ask for business. (Many people would think that keeping in touch when asked -is- requesting business, and I can see their point.) I haven't and will never contact a client out of the blue to get an appointment, but that's only my personal approach. If you find yourself in this situation and want it to stop, be direct with the guy and ask him politely to never call again. Tell him that if you want to see him it will be you who call. I can't imagine anyone would fight against this.

 

I hope this helps.

 

A tight hug,

 

Always hard and warm,

 

Juan

[Okliehomo]

When aren't you good??

 

Maybe when you were spanking Kevin like a school boy when he was smothering me with his gorgeous and very blonde ass?? No, that was pretty damned good ... for me, at least.

 

Or was it when you, yourself, were trying to make me take the very thickest cock EVER in my mouth???? And when I couldn't do it all the way.... you gave me your very hot, muscle butt and that.....yum.... I could handle....

 

And you ALWAYS make an effort to keep in touch which does make you one of the special ones.... and you are in fucking London!!!! Not like you can jet into OKC at a moments notice....

 

Yet you still make the effort and that says a lot about you. Classy, classy, classy.

 

Okie

[+ deej]

I agree. E-mails/phone calls of the 'staying in touch' variety are one thing and are something to be welcomed/appreciated. And they're very easy to tell apart from the 'when can I see you again' messages, which are an imposition.

 

Yes, exactly. But I once had a guy who would call me occasionally and I laid down the law:

 

"If I call you, I'm paying. If you call me, I'm not."

 

And he continued to call once in a while when he just wanted to get fucked and the phone wasn't ringing. Go figure.

 

There's room for all things along this continuum.

[JT Brooklyn]

Juan & Kevin

 

Okie...Totally agree with you! Juan & Kevin I met them individually in NYC when each was passing thru town. I Luv'd HANDLING them individually!

 

BUT I'm thinking as a "Tag Team" I might not have survived that Great Memory!

[+ Axiom2001]

During the time that I have had to use the services of escorts, only one in particular has sent me periodic emails in his wanting to get together for a session. Personally, I have NOT liked this since he has often told me that he only escorts because he enjoys it so much and that his day job is the money on which he relies.

 

In January he was late again for our meeting; I was pissed with this, so when he came in and finished what he had to do in the bathroom, he came into the room itself; I told him that our appointment was off and that I would pay him half his fee (which by the way is indeed quite, quite reasonable in terms of today's and yesterday's economy). He was devastated because he stood in the middle of the room and seemed not to know what to say. He did state that HE DID NOT want 1/2 the fee, though and that he was sorry. This did not resolve the situation for me; I no longer was "hot" for him, so I kindly asked him to leave-- which he did-- seemingly rather baffled by my actions.

 

A day or two later, he emailed me a long apology. I responded and related to him that I would be contacting him in the future. Since then he has contacted me twice, but although he's been forgiven and that I do desire to see him again, I want it to be on my terms, per se, in my contacting him. I do not want him to contact me, and I think that I will discuss this with him next time that we meet. He is open to directness and has been candid in his answers to my previous queries.

 

This particular man is one of several escorts who have sent me emails in terms of their availability; however, there are two escorts who come to the West Coast at least once or twice a year who have emailed me first. If they contact me first-- that is acceptable as well as desired as far as I am concerned. If others do it, which has been the case, then I presume that they have been hit with some "hard" times!

[best hotel]

...i have unsolicited gotten phone calls from previously hired escorts....one very well known escort in particular....pushing for a session......bullshit compliments and manipulation.....it is a turn off for sure

[Guest Jesse Dane]

I personally use email (which is my preferred method of contact anyway) whenever I want to let clients know I will be in their area or just want to say hi and check in with them. I figure it is much less obtrusive into their lives than a phone call.

 

My standard with a first time client is generally to send them an email after our first appointment saying thank you and that it was nice to meet them. After that I leave it in their hands if they want to contact me again.

 

If it is a more regular client however I will generally send them an occasional email just to say hi and see how they are doing. But that is only with clients that I have established some form of a relationship with and I know enjoy hearing from me.

 

I would never thrust myself repeatedly upon a client I have only seen once or twice though. That just seems unprofessional and rude.

[Bart]

More widespread than one thinls

 

I decided to go recount how many escorts did contact me for business purposes and to be honest I can think of at least 20 guys, all are or were highly recommended who do this. Of course I had fun recounting all those nice dicks and how the felt going up . . . well that is for another time.

But, some I would definitely label repetitive and annoying. In one case in particular I told the guy no and it stopped for about a year and then he found my email again he asked again. This was a guy I did not want to see or remember.

 

You would think when they do this they would personalize it a bit in the their sales pitch. Some just make it so generic that it becomes a total turn-off. One guy had this cute name for me that just had me eating me out of his hand. Then last time he sent an email using his pet word for me, saying he would be in coming to Chicago, unfortunately addtional information idicated this was a generic email sent to all his clients. Well that ended the fatasy and we have not met since. I think sending a mass email to all your clients in an area is not the way to handle follow up calls.

[uwsman2]

Contacted by escorts

 

I've had one or two experiences where shortly after having met an escort for the first time I received a contact from them, and I was rather startled both times. I had assumed that the escort, being the soul of discretion, would discard my telephone number after our appointment. Now I realize that any escort with business sense keeps records.

 

I think phoning is a bad idea -- one escort actually caught me at an awkward moment on the phone -- but emailing is fine. Since I have become fond and had repeated meetings with some "travellers" when they were in NY, I appreciate getting an email contact before they post their travel plans on this site so I can have a head-start on reserving a time with them that works for me. So I would recommend to any traveling escort to notify their past clients - using email, not phoning - when they are planning a trip to the client's area.

[Guy Fawkes]

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Not to be blunt, BUT, isn’t the word “escort” just a politically correct way of saying “hustler?”

 

A rose by any name - - is still a rose - - -

 

No it is not.

[TruthBTold]

Escort or Hustler

 

I agree with Greathands and mostly because of the connotations that have been built into the words.

 

Hustler can be used in many different circumstances and has come to mean someone who is trying to get something out of a situation by tricking in some way the other person involved. The whole aim is to secure something without providing what the other person expects. I think this can also be used when the hustler tries to use the situation to get more than what was negotiated but not providing anything extra, like having his teeth capped.

 

The general meaning of escorts is that they will provide the service expected by the client for the fee negotiated. Usually it is sex but it could be something else. Certainly there are escorts who become hustlers in particular situations but that is not what is expected.

 

Prostitutes, I think, are like escorts. There is no negative connotation to the term, except for the societal stigma attached to anyone who sells sex.