Are some limits acceptable for escorts?

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: Creep Alert!!!

 

>Guys, don't waste your time on

>Mr. Teller. The only

>way to deal with him

>is to ignore his posts.

> Freeze the jerk out.

>

 

When I first started reading this board, I was amazed by its similarlity to a third-grade playground - little cliques bickering with each other; misfits looking up to, and trying to fit in, with the popular kids; temper tantrums by the spoiled students telling everyone they're not allowed to play with their toys anymore.

 

But telling the other kids not to speak to me -- that's really the cherry on the playground cake -- and so very, very hurtful. Are you going to tell the teacher on me, too?

[Guest TruthTeller]

>TT, While I am not balding,

>I am 50 and fat.

>And I do have repeat

>clients, one who tries to

>come over at least once

>a week, when he'll fit

>into my schedule.

 

Nothing you said is inconsistent with anything I've said. I don't doubt that you have clients even though you're 50 and fat. Some guys -- mostly looking for their daddies -- are sexually attracted to old, fat guys, so they patronize you.

 

This doesn't change the fact that -- while many clients are needy and pitiful and therefore need to pay for "affection" and friendship (as though such a thing is possible) -- "escorting" is, at its core, about paying prostitutes in order to cum. There are delusional accoutrements that get added to that in order to hide what it's about -- like pretending to want to talk to the escort and pay them to like you -- but at its core, it isn't any more elevated than a straight guy paying some whore $50 for her to get on her back in a dirty motel room, spread her legs, keep her mouth shut, and get pounded for a few minutes.

 

 

>How is your grasp of history?

>Has anyone ever mentioned to

>you the heterae (Sp?) of

>ancient Greece? Married women were

>kept at home and couldn't

>mingle in most society, . . .

 

I'm in favor of that.

 

>. . . nor

>were they terribly well educated,

>most of them. (Not their

>fault, of course.)

 

Maybe not their fault, but I guarantee you that if you compared them to the contemporary Western woman torn between her natural desires and instincts versus what she's told she should want (have a career, be strong, etc.), and therefore drowning in neurosis, conflict, and misery, you'd find that the married women of ancient Greece were much happier and more fulfilled.

 

>However, the

>courtesans were as educated as

>the men and it was

>a fairly boring evening if

>there wasn't at least one

>at dinner. If there wasn't

>a philosopher there, either, most

>men would have left early

>- like right after the

>appetizers. So we're not creating

>anything new to Western traditions

>here, just trying to get

>back to it.

 

I agree that prostitution has played an important and valuble role in many societies, including ours. But the difference is that in ancient Greece, given the status of women, a man HAD to pay for a prostitute in order to have an interesting, vibrant woman around. In our society, nobody has to pay for affection and a friend -- as opposed to paying for sex -- unless they're lonely, pitiful and needy.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Why is it so difficult to

>wrap your tiny mind around

>the concept that some prostitutes

>truly enjoy their work?

 

Because nothing seems even arguably enjoyable about making your living by licking old pigs' assholes or allowing anyone with $150 free reign on/in your hole.

 

>It seems to me that you

>have some issues that would

>require the skills of an

>entire team of psychiatrists working

>24/7.

 

You mean like believing that there are better ways to build a career than by licking old pigs' assholes or allowing anyone with $150 free reign on/in your hole?

 

>I've been

>deluding myself for 10 years now,

>is that what you are

>saying?

 

Yes, precisely.

 

>Exactly how well do you know

>me and upon what information

>do you base

>this diagnosis?

 

You're a cliche. I know you all too well.

 

 

>I've never looked at escorting/prostitution as

>a life-long profession.

 

Right, because once you're 45, you'll have to stop, because people are paying you for sex, not your mind.

 

 

>I am

>"pursuing" other interests and I

>am looking forward to a

>new career in counseling.

 

Good, glad to hear it. I don't think there's anything wrong with being an escort. I just think there's something wrong with trying to pretend that it's this wonderfully fulfilling career rather than just a way to make money.

 

Generally, the test for whether something is a fulfilling job as opposed to one which you're doing because you have to is whether you would do it without being paid. Would you lick the assholes of your clients or allow them free reign on/in your hole if they weren't paying?

 

>Oh, and the review forms do

>list the things you mentioned,

>but in

>the actual "review" you'll see that

>many clients do take the

>time

>to mention " non-sex interests, educational

>backgrounds and my

>wonderful, flowery personality".

 

Right - that's because THEY also need to feel that they're doing something more elevated than paying you for sex. Many of your "clients" pretend that they're not really paying you; they pretend that you're really their friend who cares about them. They block out that they're paying you, because they are needy and lonely and want to feel that you really, really like them, not just that you're licking their assholes and giving them free reign in/on your hole becasue they have $150.

 

But none of those delusions -- and none of the little chatter that is done in between to hide what's going on -- changes the fact that all this is about is you licking their assholes and giving them free reign in/on your hole because they gave you $150. You need to pretend it's about something else, and so do many of them, but pretending doesn't make it so. Otherwise, why would looks matter at all?

[Guest cp8036]

RE: Bilbo is a Christian woman!

 

Bil,

 

Did you ever see Polish written? I am originally from Chicago, a city with a large Polish community. So that I could use some greetings with some of the older neighbor folk, I checked out a Polish phrase book. Also because I am interested in linguistics. They really need some vowels !!! Too many k-w-g-z-c's and so on.

[Bilbo]

Dear TT, I find that when something doesn't make sense to me it often shows that I have made at least one incorrect assumption. You seem to me to have made several which might explain why you can't understand what is going on with Jeff and myself. One, money or not, I do not have sessions with just anyone. For one thing, I personally do not accept clients who are in closed relationships. Two, money or not, I do not do everything. I remember early in my career when one person decided to try to do something that we had agreed on the phone wouldn't happen. I stroked him gently and then pointed out that I had my hand wrapped around his balls and that what we had agreed wasn't going to happen wasn't. He rapidly agreed. For one thing, I only have a select handful of clients, and even they didn't get it on the first visit, whose assholes I am willing to lick.

 

You also seem to contradict yourself when you say about the subject of age differences and different types of desirability. You might want to look into that. It might help you to understand yourself better to examine this subject.

 

Now, we also have a matter of style. We have discussed on these threads many times the difference between the romantics and the whammers (as in wham bam thank you man). Usually the romantics seem to me to be willing to live and let live with the whammers. Chacun a son gout. However, the new whammers often seem to think that theirs is the only true path in the universe, the ony thing that "makes sense" and surely the absolute truth. Thinking this they fall into the trap of attacking those who do not agree with them. This isn't really as satisfying as getting along with others is. If you would like some help on that area, I will be offering a class in Reiki in Houston November 16 - 18. You can find details on it on my website, http://www.rainbowprod.com/bilbo

Please be sure that when I do get my escorting website developed and open, I will not willing be giving you that adress in your present mental condition.

[Bilbo]

RE: Bilbo is a Christian woman!

 

I'm half Irish, half Scots. Have you seen some of those Scottish place names?

[CT Dick]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

Bilbo, the stingy, how's this:

 

"For 23 years I've been dying to tell you what I think of you.

But, being a Christian woman, I can't."

 

Dick

[Bilbo]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

OK, now I know that y'all are up on some of our gay community's past history, and I reward and respect anyone who wants it! And stingy? How's this - print out this note and bring me a copy of it and I will give you half off of my Taoist exercises (used to be called "erotic massage"), though the addon for if you want my clothes off, too, is still full price. (Stingy? I take it you did notice I'm half Scots?)

BTW, along similar historic lines, I just sent an inbox message to someone explaining who Susannah Pomeroy was. For extra credit, does anyone want to try that answer on for size?

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

>BTW, along similar historic lines, I

>just sent an inbox message

>to someone explaining who Susannah

>Pomeroy was. For extra credit,

>does anyone want to try

>that answer on for size?

>

 

Gale Storm

[CT Dick]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

>I will give you half off of my Taoist

>exercises (used to be called "erotic massage"), though the >addon for if you want my clothes off, too, is still

>full price. (Stingy? I take it you did notice I'm

>half Scots?)

 

Angus McBilbo, you expect me to schlep all the way from CT to TX and not see all of that beautiful body or yours? No way!

 

Dick

[Bilbo]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

All right, you guys win. Anyone who prints out this thread and brings it to me - It doesn't count if you tell me did it and left it at home! - can get a full escorting session for only half price, including, if you wish, my Taoist excercises! This offer is only good through December 1st, 2001. Only one self printed coupon per client please!

Twist my arm! Make me work for only 15 times minimum wage! Do it til I cry for mercy!

[Guest mcguffin]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

Like my high school football coach used to say: "Life is hard. You've got to be harder!"

 

I'm confident you're up to it. I'm on I-10 right now...

[Bilbo]

RE: Bilbo is a stingy Christian woman!

 

Call first!

[Guest jeffOH]

..JEFF to TruthTeller

Why is it so difficult to

>>wrap your tiny mind around

>>the concept that some prostitutes

>>truly enjoy their work?

 

..TruthTeller to JEFF

>Because nothing seems even arguably enjoyable////

>about making your living by /////////////////////// ...JEFF....

>licking old pigs' assholes or///////(I DO NOT LICK CLIENTS ASS-

>allowing anyone with $150 free//// HOLES NOR DO I CONSIDER THEM

>reign on/in your hole.///////////////PIGS AND $150 DOESN'T GIVE

/////////////////////////////////////// ANYONE THE RIGHT TO DO

////////////////////////////////////// WHATEVER WITH ME)

 

....JEFF to TruthTeller

>>It seems to me that you

>>have some issues that would

>>require the skills of an

>>entire team of psychiatrists working

>>24/7.

 

..TruthTeller/////////////////////////////.......JEFF

>You mean like believing that there///(NO,I MEAN YOU'RE ARROGANT

>are better ways to build a career than by /////////// BECAUSE

>old pigs' assholes or allowing //////YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHY ALL

>free reign on/in your hole//////// ESCORTS ESCORT AND WHY ALL

//////////////////////////////////// CLIENTS HIRE US.

 

..JEFF to TruthTeller-

>>I've been

>>deluding myself for 10 years now,

>>is that what you are

>>saying?

 

..TruthTeller////////////...JEFF

>Yes, precisely. /////(IT MUST BE A TERRIBLE BURDEN TO BE RIGHT

/////////////////////////////////////////// //// ALL THE TIME!)

 

..Jeff to TruthTeller

>>Exactly how well do you know

>>me and upon what information

>>do you base

>>this diagnosis?

 

..TruthTeller//////////////////////...JEFF

>You're a cliche. I know////////(IF ANYTHING I'M ATYPICAL OF MOST

>you all too well.////////////ESCORTS) (YOU ON THE OTHERHAND ARE

/// ///////////////////////////THE ARROGANT KNOW-IT-ALL CLICHE')

 

 

..JEFF to TruthTeller

>>I've never looked at escorting/prostitution as

>>a life-long profession.

 

..TruthTeller /////////////////// /// /// ...JEFF

>Right, because once you're 45, you'll// (NO, KRESKIN, I'LL STOP

>have to stop, because people / ///////ESCORTING WHEN I'M READY,

>are paying you for sex, ///////////////// JUST AS WHEN CHOSE TO

>not your mind. ////////////////////// ENTER THIS PROFESSION)

 

..JEFF to TruthTeller

>>I am

>>"pursuing" other interests and I

>>am looking forward to a

>>new career in counseling.

 

..TruthTeller

>Good, glad to hear it./////////////....JEFF

>I don't think there's anything ///(It has been fullfilling and

>wrong with being an escort./////// worthwhile, once again, SEAN

> I just think there's //////////// YOU are projecting your own

>something wrong with trying to ////negative experience and self-

>pretend that it's this wonderfully////loathing onto others in a

>fulfilling career rather than just///"delusional"effort to make

>a way to make money.///////////////////yourself feel better!)

 

..TruthTeller

>Generally, the test for whether something

>is a fulfilling job as ////////////////....JEFF...............

>opposed to one which you're//////(What exactly do you do for a

>doing because you have to//////living and how long would you do

>is whether you would do /////////it for free????)Come on TT have

>it without being paid.//////////some balls here and tell us who

>Would you lick the assholes////////really are and what you do...

>of your clients or allow////////////live up to the TruthTeller

>them free reign on/in your///////////////////////////moniker!!)

>hole if they weren't paying?

 

..JEFF to TruthTeller

>>Oh, and the review forms do

>>list the things you mentioned,

>>but in

>>the actual "review" you'll see that

>>many clients do take the

>>time

>>to mention " non-sex interests, educational

>>backgrounds and my

>>wonderful, flowery personality".

 

..TruthTeller ///////////////////////////...JEFF

>Right - that's because THEY also////(ONCE AGAIN, YOUR ARROGANCE

>need to feel that they're////////// KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES, YOU'RE

>doing something more elevated than////SO ALL-KNOWING. YOU DON'T

>paying you for sex.//////////////////////KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY

>Many of your "clients" pretend////////////RELATIONSHIPS WITH MY

>that they're not really paying/////////////////////////CLIENTS)

>you; they pretend that you're

>really their friend who cares

>about them. They block

>out that they're paying you,

>because they are needy and

>lonely and want to feel

>that you really, really like

>them, not just that you're

>licking their assholes and giving

>them free reign in/on your

>hole becasue they have $150.

 

..TruthTeller //////////////////////////...JEFF

>But none of those delusions ////(ONCE AGAIN...I DON'T LICK MY

>and none of the little /////////CLIENTS ASSHOLES AND I DON'T DO

>chatter that is done in////////ANYTHING A CLIENT WANTS FOR $150

>between to hide what's going////SURE, IT'S ABOUT LOOKS AND SEX,

>on -- changes the fact/////////////THAT'S WHAT PROSTITUTION IS

>that all this is about//////////ABOUT...I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS

>is you licking their assholes////NOT. BUT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT

>and giving them free reign/////////SEX AND UNLIKE YOU, I DO MAKE

>in/on your hole because they////////GENUINE CONNECTIONS WITH MY

>gave you $150. You/////////////////////////////////////CLIENTS)

>need to pretend it's about

>something else, and so do

>many of them, but pretending

>doesn't make it so.

>Otherwise, why would looks matter

>at all?

 

Truthteller...I don't consider my clients to be "fat old pigs",

nor do I lick their assholes. And, just because someone has $150

doe not mean they can do whatever they want to with me.

 

How many people would do their jobs for free? Very few, I'd imagine. And exactly what is your "fullfilling job"?, as if we don't already know. Just because this has been your experience with escorting does not mean it's the same for everyone else. It's quite obvious you are projecting your own self-loathing onto those of us who are quite content in our chosen professions.

And because you have been doing "it" for the money all these years is much more of a commentary on the type of person you are.

 

I've said numerous times that I find escorting rewarding on many levels, not just financially. You wouldn't give a shit that we

are all deluding ourselves if you didn't have your own issues. This is how your negativity has manifested itself...criticizing others. You're not here to tell the TRUTH...this has more to do

with you than anyone else. Maybe if you'd be as critical of your-

self as you have been about others you'd learn a thing or two not

only about yourself, but also about compassion and empathy.

 

You are the one living a Major Delusion believing you know why all escorts escort and why all clients hire us. How arrogant of you to think you know all.

 

To Recap: I don't think of my clients as fat old pigs nor am I licking their assholes. And I don't allow ANYONE with $150 to have their way with me. I see who I want and do what I want.

Understand? But, then it comes back to whether or not I really care what you think. My response is more for your rudeness and arrogance rather defending my chosen profession.Do you really

believe that there is some Mass Delusion going on in escort/client relationships? I'd like to hear of ANY proof of this to support your claim.

 

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[CT Dick]

RE: Bilbo is a generous Taoist woman!

 

>Call first!

 

Are Taoists allowed to use telephones?

 

Dick

[Bilbo]

RE: Bilbo is a generous Taoist woman!

 

Well, I should actually have said Tantric rather than Taoist to beging with. This kind of (It isn't Massage! I can't use that word legally) is Taoist for me because for years I avoided anything in my (see above) sessions of a sexual nature and fought the natural urges of my clients, before I "went with the flow" or, as one might say, followed the natural Tao of the situation. (I still hotly defend those masseurs who don't do anythng sexual.) However, phones? I am not the best studied Taoist of all by any means (I read The Tao of Pooh and The Te of Piglet and that's about it.) but I would say, why not? It would seem to me to be the natural way to speak with a person miles away vocally. I would think that Taoists would have a lot less trouble with a phone than Confucianists.

 

And my mother occaisionally complained that I get too literal minded and sometimes miss the joke because of it. Three decades later I'm still doing it.