escorts working this week

[Rod Hagen]

JACK HAS MISLEAD YOU!

 

Good Evening,

 

I DID NOT CALL ANYBODY SICK MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! That was another Escort, NOT ME NOT ME NOT ME. I called nobody any names at all.

 

I just got back, early, from AZ. I was in Scottsdale at the Mayo with my boyfriend, my Monkey. Thanks for all the recommendations of Hotels. We loved the Four Seasons, and enjoyed looking at the architecture at the Biltmore when we stopped by for dinner. Thanks again for your recommendations.

 

I had mentioned in the Muscle Service post that I was leaving town for a few days and would not be accessing the Internet. Jackboy did not indicate this here later on (perhaps he is away from his computer) nor did anybody else who has access to the Muscle Service site. Well, imagine my surprise to find that after a more than 7-hour drive, I have to respond to LOTS of posters. I guess I should be glad the Muscle Service Site is down so that I can get some sleep this evening :-) Anyway, sorry it took me so long to respond.

 

Doesn't seem like most of you read the original post on Ace's Muscle Service Site (now down). I suggest you read the whole thing so you know exactly what I, and others said, rather than be manipulated by Jackboy, Bitchboy, et al who have access to the information and are feeding it to you piecemeal.

 

Here's the whole story in a nutshell: my phone rings on Tuesday morning while the world is falling around us. I get the type of caller I normally am not happy to hear from on good days. The kind who's simply running through Frontier's ads for an early morning hump, and is not to concerned with who delivers it. Let me emphasize that these callers who made me upset were NOT LOOKING for comfort in a time of tragedy. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN MISLED. I made it quite clear on Ace's site that they were looking for a quick fuck without regard to the horror I was watching, and they must have seen, on television.

 

So yes, I did think very bad thoughts about these callers. Life is changing as we know it, and they are completely oblivious. I've made no secret here, or on Ace’s site that oblivious people, in short people who are just too CALIFORNIA, infuriate me. I simply said that I wasn't working, and did so for the next few days as I was not in the mood for quick fucks shortly after tragedy, and I found it juvenile that others were; particularly those not looking for a cuddling of compassion.

 

You've also been mislead, because neither Jack or anybody else has mentioned that before I left town on Sunday, I noted on ACE's site that I did not in fact SAY the strong comments in quotes in response, I only thought them. Read my reviews http://207.14.53.20/reviews/rodhagen.html and decide if I would say such things to a caller I did not want to see other than "I am not available." Jack, Sports and the others knew that I did not say these things to the callers, but did not inform you all of that.

 

Everybody, lots of escorts said lots of separate things in the long post on Ace's site. A post I did not start. There are many instances in this post Jack started on Hooboy where many of the quotes are from Escorts other than me, where my few comments are taken out of context and so my usual strong opinions read downright dastardly. Because one escort said one thing, it does not mean that every other escort in the post said or feels something similar. If you want to read the entire post, if you'd like to make up your own mind rather than what Jack and others feed you, please register for the site and read the original stuff. THANKS.

 

Now, person by person:

 

Jackboy, I never referred to anybody as sick Mother Fuckers or anything like that. Anybody who read his post and took that away from it, Jackboy mislead you.

 

DavidoNYC, Please see above. These people were not looking for comfort, that I could totally understand even if I did not feel fit to supply it at the time. They were completely oblivious to what was going on in the world. Californian's can be so vague :-)

 

Sports, I have lots of respect for people who are aware of the world events transpiring around them, and zero respect for those who breeze through life.

 

IM_Moor, It is a real shame that we are not going to meet. Again, I never referred to anybody as a sick mother fucker or anything like that. Read my reviews and the comments from Adriano above and you will see that I LOVE both what and whom I do :-) Please contact me if we have an appointment scheduled so that I can make the necessary updates. THANKS.

 

DCEscort and Beware, Once more, please just read the whole muscle service post. It's very easy to register on Ace's site, and you may have fun there.

 

Les, thank you very much for cutting through the deception and the confusion. I really appreciate the HELP

 

Rick, You know that I am a very compassionate person, and you say this just to make yourself look better at my expense. That is not fair to me. That is actually, underhanded.

 

IM_Moor, answering my phone is a reflex. You're right, it's on voicemail that says I am out of town because I just got back (see above). Again, read my reviews and you will see that I am anything but arrogant.

 

CT, Thank you very much. And can you believe that Disney is going forward with implementing 700 Club into their new (purchased) network? YIKES.

 

Justice, thanks for the clarifications and for the link (though again, people have to bother to register, and if Ace's webpage is not their thing, it's unlikely that they will). Right now what's going on in my head is I NEED SLEEP.

 

ZacDC, god I wish I could be as mellow as you! Thanks for being there for me, and not using this an opportunity to sell yourself to the readers, unlike Rick. Thank you very much Zack, I am glad that you were able to get back to work , best of luck.

 

Jeff, I lashed out MENTALLY and on the INTERNET but not to their ears not because of an "apparent" lack of compassion, but a very real ignorance to the significance of the days' events. Thanks for the help with the AZ hotels.

 

JT, I understand your needs. Unfortunately, I would not even have been able to supply even that to a stranger on Tuesday or Wednesday of last week. I was asked to supply a lot more, but NOT because they were depressed, or even affected, by the tragedy.

 

Charon, I am very happy to hear that your brother made it out ok. Both of you are very fortunate.

 

BuckyXTC, once again we are hearing a voice of reason from somebody who read the ENTIRE POST. Thank you very much for your help. I am very glad that your appointment with the escort was helpful for you. BTW is your name from the band XTC? I love that group; "Dear God" :-)

 

Adriano, what can I say but you are one in a million. I hope we get to see each other again soon.

 

Bitchboy, I will skip you. I'm sure you're used to being skipped over.

 

David, that "Silent Scream" post was extremely honest, graphic, and over-the-top for a reason: to drive a point home. Of course I have forgotten the point, (SHIT, sorry) but I do remember that the strength of that thread resulted in one post from a new escort who'd felt conflicted about the business, saying he was dropping out of the business having related so well to what I'd written. So at the very least I changed someone's life for the better with that post.

 

Italian Lover, sorry I've been out of town. I came back early.

 

Charlie, god sometimes I have to remind myself that I am NOT a therapist :-) Thank you for your logical opinions.

 

JohnnySneakers, since I am the aforementioned escort that is taking the biggest beating here, it would have been nice if you'd indicated that I was NOT THE ESCORT who said anything bad about Arabs. I would have really appreciated that distinction, and it would have been big of you. I'm taking such a hit from all the confusion, not being succinct about who was racist can only hurt me, UNFAIRLY.

 

And that's it. Again I called nobody any names and I hope that many of you will not be so easily mislead in the future.

 

Goodnight.

 

-Hagen

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Scorpio]

RE: JACK HAS MISLEAD YOU!

 

Rod,

 

I commend you on your excellent post. I did read the original thread on MSS and agree that Jack's post was very misleading. You did an excellent job of acquitting yourself here. Much better than any of us who actually read the complete thread could have done your behalf.

 

Happy to hear you returned from your trip safely and I hope everything went okay for your "monkey" at Mayo.

 

If I ever make it to LA, I'll look you up!

 

Scorpio

[Rod Hagen]

BuckyXTC

 

BuckyXTC

 

31 posts 1. "RE: JackBoy has Misled you

Sep-19-01, 08:26 AM (EST)

 

Rod, glad to offer support......from what I knew of you, which is admittedly limited, I felt your feelings were being misrepresented. In my line of work, of which I can say little here, I too, have to deal with folks who sometimes have what I call "an existential disconnect". I use this term to describe the penchant some people have from time to time, where they appear to be oblivious to issues around them that REALLY MATTER as opposed to the lesser issues which seem to preoccupy them. In many cases, I think this phenomenon is akin to what neo-Freudian thinkers call "adaptive regression in the service of the ego", except in this case I think it may be maladaptive regression. Sometimes when an event overwhelms us, our response to it is out of synch with what we would normally consider appropriate. A case in point is the strange urge to resort to humor in the face of pain or tragedy. It is a coping mechanism. Every event in life is contextual, in the sense that we wouldn't make sense of anything if we remove it from its setting in life. Hence, context is as important as the event itself.

 

The XTC thing has a multitude of meanings for me.....yes, it is connected with the band and my love of their music, and more. I won't go into the "more" here right now, maybe another time.

 

Hang in there. Hope to talk with or meet you some day.

 

Bucky XTC

 

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Rod Hagen]

BewareofNick says "Jackboy, you owe Rod an apology."

 

BewareofNick

 

396 posts 2. "RE: JackBoy has Misled you--Call me to Argue/Talk if you wish 310.360.9890"

Sep-19-01, 12:27 PM (EST)

 

Rod, I read the entire post too, and when I did I realized that you were maligned. You were understandably upset about what happened and rightfully so. It was the person who responded to your message that made that awful comment.

 

Jackboy, you owe Rod an apology.

[Guest Sports]

RE: Rod Hagen's very loud scream

 

HAGEN’s MUSCLE SERVICE Postings

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I was absolutely amazed when my escort phone line rang on Tuesday afternoon and evening and the men would ask "are you working?" "Are you fucking crazy? No, I'm not working. The WTCs and part of the Pentagon fell for crissakes." I'm still turning people away and have no idea when I'll resume. But I'm still blown away by the calls I'm getting. Christ, is sex all you think about? Grow up.

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed.

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Good Job WiteFang. BTW I live on the left coast, not east, and was just speaking to the general topic of Escorts Currently Working.

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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Luke-is-My-Name I've never considered myself better than others, but based on the ignorance of your commment, I am now certain that I am better than you.

 

-Hagen

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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Otto, thank you very much. I appreciate your sticking up for me and I understand completely your and others' need for affection in hard times.

 

LIMN, whatever: learn plural vs singular and I'll respond to you.

 

Others, Oh for crissakes. Those criticising me, think for one second. Obviously I never made my thoughts, my anger toward the caller, known to them. There's no reason to hurt someone's feelings unnecessarily. In my original post my thoughts in quotes were just that, thoughts.

 

Also, if I'd had any reason to believe that these were people who, upset by what had happend that morning, were calling for comfort and cuddling, I still would have said "No", but I would not have judged them, here and in my thoughts, so harshly. That would be illogical, and if you've read any of my posts you'd know that I am anything but illogical. If you haven't I suggest you do your research before you flame a poster.

 

What I heard from these Tuesday-callers was "Hey, I saw your ad in Frontiers (the internet...), and..." They were just everyday-callers combing the trades, oblivious to the fundamental change going on around us, looking for someone's penis to be in their butt in the next hour or so. After one or two more phone calls I'm sure they found someone.

 

-Hagen

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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MikeH, you thug :-) love ya.

 

NickWoof, when he was a kid from Brooklyn my boyfriend used to ride his bike on the spot where the Towers were to be erected and eventually fell. He thought it was a fun place to hang out, on the docks. He, like you, watched them being built, and has put some of this into perspective for me, thank goodness: New York was the world’s best city before the WTCs were even conceived of; NYC ruled even before the Empire State Building was built. NYC will always be the world’s best city, and we have seen that in the last few days. The events of the last few days have strengthened my resolve to move out of this Hell that is LA as soon as possible, and get settled into NYC, the capitol of the world. Thank you for your response Nick.

 

CT, what the f*ck are you talking about? :-)

 

Looking4, I guess it’s just the nature of this board. Don’t fault the poster who was curious, because that’s all he was, was curious. No matter what someone does for a living, many feel better when they get back to work. Not me, I’m very lazy, always have been. My issue is with those people who called for a quick hump the day of the tragedy. That very same day. Being upset by that is not over reacting, it just isn’t.

 

JimB, of course there’s nothing wrong with having sex in the wake of a tragedy. I’ve taken college psych classes, I know that that’s very common. So have dinner and sex at the same time if that’s what helps you get through it. :-) I think, however, that it was very clear that my issue was with those strangers who called me on Tuesday, obviously working through a list of escorts/prostitutes who would, not fill their emotional void, which would be understandable, but their ass. I’m not going to jump back into work after something like this, particularly with a stranger looking for nooky (which I do realize is what I normally provide), and I resent being asked to (not by you, Jim, but by the callers). As Nick pointed out, I am not a machine.

 

Doorknob (you know who you are): I do come off as insensitive. I realize that. When I deal with others, particularly in a written format, I have a low BS threshold and a very low tolerance for ignorance. This is often interpreted as insensitivity, and to a significant degree I suppose it is. I have very thick skin, and I often forget that others do not. That is a character flaw that I regret.

 

But in your case I really don’t care.

 

Anyway, I suppose some escorts in NYC and the rest of the world are back in the swing of things, good for them. I hope that that is their therapy and not a forced action in an effort to make rent this month. I hope everyone from escorts to Starbuck’s employees whose back at work is there because that’s what’s good for them and not because they must, but they’d rather not right now. I am very glad that I can afford, for a bit longer, to ease back into it at my own pace. Can anyone begrudge me for that? I suppose so.

 

-Hagen

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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Re-read my post. I wasn't angry "the next day" I was angry that the people who called me were obvlivious to what was going on in the world. They weren't looking for comfort, they were looking for a quick fuck WITHOUT REGARD (HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT? they had no regard for the days events, they were NOT looking for comforting) without regard to the tragedy. And I bit my tongue anyway, I THOUGHT harshly about those people, but I did not let them know that.

 

Horny, I have no idea why you hate prostitutes, but it's obvious you do, and I suppose you have your reasons. Someday, I'd be curious to hear them.

 

But I'm outta here. I'm going to the desert until Thursday. Talk amongst yourselves.

 

-Hagen

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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Crap, I started to pack, reread the post, and realized that I did not finish that first paragraph. The people I was upset with did not call The next day, they called hours after Tuesday's tragedy without any regard to the tragedy. I was annoyed that I continued to receive blase phone calls the next couple days, but has anyone heard me bitch about local escort calls I received Thursday, Friday, Saturday, this morning? No, I was obviously turned off by blase attitudes I encountered in the WAKE of the tragedy. CHRIST CHRIST CHRIST CHRIST. Jesus Christ JUMPED.

 

I simply continue not to work because of my own laziness, which I admitted to here, and because I'm not in the mood, and because I can afford to not work if I don't feel like it-for awhile anyway-and feel bad for those people from starbucks to escorting who must work, but may not feel like it.

 

This post got way out of control. It's because I described anger toward some people who wanted to fuck too soon after the tragedy for my tastes: typical California-blase. So, it's my fault, but those who are mean-spirited toward prostitutes only fueled the fire of this thread.

 

And now I am outta here. Take Care everyone (except Horny).

 

-Hagen

"And if it's all the same to you Tiger sweetie, I wish you'd stop licking me and untie me this instant. My dress is getting mussed."

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Hagen’s Silent Scream Post

Re: Have you ever felt the pangs of the exploitation?

ROD HAGEN

Our profession is nothing less than a voluntary threat to our personal integrity and feelings of self-worth.

 

Why? Because sometimes so much feces spills onto our legs and sheets we become convinced both are stained permanently. From time to time we feel pressured to do things unsafe and unhealthy, othertimes we use the experience to try something reckless that we never would have attempted had he not given us the opportunity, and even go so far as to endanger our own well being. Sometimes the stench of a man's not-oft-washed thigh hair combined with the slippery coat of mucus over his tongue convince us that the I-Have-Had-It scream we bury within (some deeper than others) will finally surface.

 

But it doesn't. We wash our legs (and our sheets). We breathe through our mouths instead of our noses and eventually ask him to rinse with scope. We privately berate ourselfs for taking another stupid risk. We cope, we internalize anger, we disassociate ourselfs from our bodies - to the extent we are able and somehow we never, ever, scream.

 

Are we exploited? F**k yeah. Do most of the men believe they contribute to this exploitation? As the text above indicates, probably not. Is this our own fault for becoming prostitutes in the first place? Probably. But the next time youv'e "ordered in" look (deeply) for that silent scream, and then talk to me about accountability. I'll be in the laundry, washing out the shit.

 

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Hagen, I think your silent scream has become a very loud scream.

[Guest soccerstud]

I just came upon this thread, and I have to respond. I have known Rod Hagen for more than a year. (I am a client.) He is a thoughtful, caring human being. Yes, he is opinionated (after all, that's what the Message Board is for), but cold and disparaging? No way. Any number of times he has emailed me with intelligent and caring thoughts about "my situation" that I have fully shared with him. He's been compassionate and concerned. There is no fucking way that he would have been as disparaging as various threads have made him out to be.(I note that none of his detractors initially quoted HIM; they simply lumped him in with others. Ring any bells as to hate crimes against Muslims this week???) He is articulate and very opinionated (as all of you who have followed his postings on this site know), but he is anything but uncaring. Let's give people a break during these surreal times. I can think of dozens of times where people on the Message Board have thanked and complimented him for his well thought out messages.

 

As to references to his supposed negative musings on--and I quote from the posting--"less than attractive clients," NO FUCKING WAY. I am older and overweight and far, far from the slim, perfect body image. NEVER have I experienced from Rod any negative feedback. He is either the sincere (perhaps too sincere) guy I have gotten to know over the year OR the world's greatest actor since Olivier. I am a client, not his best friend. But he treats me with complete respect and the sex is sensational. We talk both before and after, cuddle and he cares about what I have to say and about my situation.

 

I probably don't have to defend him. He is more than capable of that himself. But the above needed to be said from someone who has known him well first hand (so to speak). If he went too far, cut him some slack. At any rate, he has made a difference in my life. How many of you can say that?

[Rod Hagen]

Sports, you have shown that without the context one gains from actually reading the thread itself on the Muscle Service Site, quoting quoting me is very irresponsible. Thank you very much for your help.

 

Soccer, HEY SKINNY DICK. :-) You are a blessing from heaven (Ok, I don't believe in Heaven, but you know what I mean). Soccer is a very special man and is much hotter than he'd lead you to believe, though I appreciate the sentiment. Thank you Soccer. I hope to grab lunch, and your crotch, soon.

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Guest Bitchboy]

RE: JACK HAS MISLEAD YOU!

 

I stand by everything I said, so please do not let this guy say I've had anything to do with misleading you. It seems you have to work overtime to protect yourself, Rod Hagen, from all these mean, selfish people who want to attack you. Why? Why have you been picked out to be "attacked?"

 

First of all, I slept with Rod Hagen in an escort-client relationship, on his first trip to NYC when he first became a full-time escort after leaving his engineering job. He was a fine escort. He did his job well. Anyone who sleeps with him in an escort-client relationship is most likely going to get his money's worth. But that is besides the point. Rod Hagen's post of months ago regarding the "silent scream" which has been mentioned here, apalled me at the time and others as well. No one wants to think that is the feeling going on in an escort's mind when he is doing his chosen job. What a horror it was to read that, since Rod was one of my very first escorts. I felt like an idiot and a chump for having believed he seemed to enjoy his time with me. If that is what he felt, he should have kept it to himself. Maybe there are some accomplished clients who can live with feeling they are worthy of Rod Hagen's silent scream. I can only say it devastated me. I think it took a large amount of contempt on his part for the people who use his "service." Ever since then, I cannot feel the same about Rod Hagen. I agree with posts that indicate he is an arrogant person, above the rest of us, and contemptuous of his clients.

 

Then he posted as he did on the MSS forums. If he meant what he says he meant now, he sure didn't say it that way at the time. How much contempt on his part did it take to assume the readers would understand what he really meant? Why would he have to explain himself over and over again? I guess because there are all these people who have him wrong and just want to attack this well meaning and competent escort. Yeah, right!

 

And now he once again retaliates and accuses people who have posted honest opinions about him. There is something wrong with this. He should stay away from a type of work that he obviously dislikes.

[Guest Bitchboy]

RE: JACK HAS MISLEAD YOU!

 

>

>Bitchboy, I will skip you.

>I'm sure you're used to

>being skipped over.

 

Oh, and I forgot to say, about the above quote, how come you don't miss your arrogance when it is so evident to many others?

 

And by the way, I don't hire escorts any longer. It was a transition thing for me. I have my own monkey, thank you very much.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: JACK HAS MISLEAD YOU!

 

>all these mean, selfish people

>who want to attack you.

> Why? Why have

>you been picked out to

>be "attacked?"

 

Actually, I don't feel that way. It appears now that the "attackers" are in the minority.

 

>Then he posted as he did

>on the MSS forums.

>If he meant what he

>says he meant now, he

>sure didn't say it that

>way at the time.

 

Not true. I clarified my post quite soon thereafter.

 

>How much contempt on his

>part did it take to

>assume the readers would understand

>what he really meant?

 

I assume people are logical beings who do research, when able, before judging someone instead of simply relying on the descriptions others give. I'm rarely disappointed.

 

>Why would he have to

>explain himself over and over

>again?

 

I thought you just said I didn't explain myself?

 

>And now he once again retaliates

>and accuses people who have

>posted honest opinions about him.

 

I mostly attacked the misquotes and the quotes out of context so that people wouldn't form uninformed opinions.

 

Congratulations on the Monkey. They are good to have.

 

Bitchboy, perhaps you'd feel better if you called me directly to yell. Not as an alternative to lambasting me here, and I presume on Ace's site as LukeIsMyName, as I am sure you will continue to do, but to try to move on. I know you have a boyfriend, but obviously you want to keep checking in here to attack me, which is your right of course, but don't you want to move on? Especially since you aren't hiring escorts anymore? You're call....literally.

 

-Hagen

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[BuckyXTC]

I'm glad the "Silent Scream" transcript was posted here, because it confirms what I've suspected all along about the kinds of indignities and unpleasantries escorts must have to contend with from time to time.

 

I prepare for meeting any escort by observing the simple courtesy of making sure everything about me is clean. That means brushing my teeth and using mouthwash and breath mints, showering and using deodorant and my favorite Armani cologne, and if I'm planning on anal sex, a Fleet or two to make sure the Love Canal isn't holding any unpleasant surprises for the escort. All of this seems so self-evident and common sense to me. In short, I want the experience to be as pleasant for the escort as it is for me, because I respect them for seeking to meet my needs and I recognize their humanity as well as my own. Maybe some people are so obtuse that they don't see cleanliness as common courtesy. Yes, I know that even taking these steps, little accidents can happen. So far, I haven't embarrassed myself in this way, but you can bet that if a guy meets up with his escort and the guy has clean breath, no body odor, and shows the signs of thoughtfulness in preparing for the session, a little accident is likely to be forgiven without comment by the escort, because he knows that client made every effort to be clean.

 

Keep being your sweet self, Rod, and don't hold back when something needs to be said. You've acquited yourself admirably in my book.

 

BuckyXTC

[Guest Frosts]

Over a week has gone by since that tragic Tuesday morning - lots of words have been used to decribe lots of feelings that will only be expressed once in a lifetime. Lots of words have been missunderstood - and lots of passions raised - if a small community like ours cannot have compassion to understand each others feelings and excercise a little forgiveness what chance for the rest of the world? As some who met Rod the week before the attack and should have left LA to travel back to the UK on the Tuesday morning - and in consequence could not leave until the following weekend - let me assure past, present and potential clients of Rod that my experience with him was kind, loving and caring. After that fateful Tuesday morning he contacted me to ensure that I was OK -as a stranger in strange circumstances in a strange land I found this helpful and supportive. Yes he has strong opinions and is articulate - then he is a human being and the pleasure of his company is as much a mental excercise as a physical excercise. Maybe we should try and understand that those of us who use escort services use them for different reasons - companionship, excitement, love, or just quick sex. Fortunately we are all different but we must learn to live and understand each other - otherwise nothing will be learnt from the tragic Tuesday morning. The UK weeps for you America.

[vers7]

I read the original muscleservices thread before the site crashed. I also had the opportunity to read the thread made by escorts regarding their work which was in a private area of this site (evidently before that area was closed). (I'm not sure if Mr. Hagen contributed to that thread.) I have never met Mr. Hagen, nor is it likely that I will. So I think I speak from a certain objective perspective.

I don't always agree with everything that Mr. Hagen says. However, I do not criticize him for honestly stating his feelings and permitting his feelings to be a basis for debate. I suspect that Mr. Hagen contributions have become a focal point because he is clearly intelligent and is educated and is able to make his points very precisely and unambiguously. In addition, I also think that some of Mr. Hagen's recent statements might have been expressed in harsh words. However, we all make posts about the foibles of both clients and escorts. This is part of the purpose of this site.

I certainly abhor cruelty and hypocrisy; but I do not believe Mr. Hagen's statements were of that nature. Rather I think he has just been honest, if not entirely diplomatic. I hope that the recent criticism of him doesn't drive him off this site.

[Guest jeffOH]

As a fellow escort, I've chosen not to judge Rod or his statements here or on the MuscleService site. Fortunately, I did

not have to deal with clients calling me the day of the attacks or the day following. I would probably have declined also because I wasn't ready to work. But, by Thursday, I was ready to get back to it.

 

We've both been criticized for our opinions on this site, so I

can empathize with him. But, I don't believe I would have expressed my frustration on MSS or this site. I respect his right to do so. I had followed the thread on MSS and I knew that

he had not made the "sick motherfuckers" statement. I wish now that I had made that clarification as soon as I read jackboy's

post. I'm sorry that I didn't.

 

I'm sure that everyone at one time or another has had some unpleasant thoughts regarding their jobs. Yes, there are times that you do want to scream. I find it incredibly helpful to talk to my best friend who is also an escort. It's therapy for both of us. I can't speak for Rod, but I assume that he enjoys our profession as much as I do. I respect Rod for speaking his mind

on MSS and on this site. It's refreshing compared to the self-

serving mindless posts of some other escorts who use the message boards as yet another means of advertising.

 

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