WHO KIDNAPPED DEVON?

[Guest]

>If so,

>psychiatry must have changed a lot since Freud wrote his "New

>Lectures on Psychoanalysis."

>

It sure has!

[woodlawn]

>OK,--it makes more sense now, IF IT IS TRUE! If it turns out

>to be true, then, yes it makes sense!

 

And how exactly are you going to find out whether it is true? Go to Massachusetts yourself and see if he is in that hospital? Any other course of action requires you to rely on the accuracy of a story told to you by someone you do not know, and of whom you know nothing for certain EXCEPT that the person doing the telling claims to be involved in prostitution. Does it really seem rational to you to believe anything you hear under these circumstances?

 

 

>----Excuse me? now "I" am gullible for thinking there might be

>some truth to his being in trouble and instead you now

>"postulate" that he might be sitting back leisurly painting

>and entertaining himself and this is some sort of eloborate

>scheme to just leave SF and all his clients and friends,

>destroy his blog,his crediblity, and then set up a paypal scam

>at the expense of everyone who has ever known him?

 

But he hasn't destroyed his blog -- people are still reading and responding to it. And you had no trouble before this happened believing that he had decided to "leave SF and all his clients and friends," since there is no way he can move to the other side of the country and stay in SF with his pals at the same time.

 

>He would

>really be a sick f-ck,

 

And you are saying this about someone whom you have suggested is now locked up in a mental hospital?

 

>---I am not sure what you mean by that one. If you mean both

>escorts, and clients who hire them are all criminals and

>therfore most likely incapable of being honest or to have

>integrity?

 

I mean that if you think about it you will realize you have no evidence for any of the stories you are getting so excited about except the unsupported word of people you don't know and of whom you know nothing except that they claim they are involved in prostitution. Again, does that really seem to you a sound basis for believing something?

 

>With all due respect Woodlawn, this post is about discussing

>what may have happened the an escort named Devon. I rarely

>post messeges here and when I do, it's for an answer to the

>specific topic and I don't need a lecture from you or a

>disection of every part of the messeges I submit

 

With all due respect to you, this is an open forum in which anyone who wishes to do so may post if he has anything to say in any way related to what is being discussed. You are free to say what you please, and others have the same freedom. If you find that situation objectionable then you don't belong on this or any message board.

 

> I just want some real answers to the real

>original question.

 

And as I have pointed out, there is no way for you to obtain such answers from any source that anyone in his right mind would believe. So the only thing you can accomplish here is to amuse yourself with scandalous gossip about and from people you don't really know. Which is exactly what you are doing.

[curious2000]

>

>>He would

>>really be a sick f-ck,

>

>And you are saying this about someone whom you have suggested

>is now locked up in a mental hospital?

>

 

You are completely taking what I stated out of context. He would indeed bet a sick f-ck if he was ( as YOU suggested) sitting back and NOT in a mental hospital, but leisurly painting,scamming people,creating complete lies and fabricated stories on his blog,etc. and being entertained by all this and was and is a complete fraud all these years. Then yes he would be a sick as in a "sickening" (to me), f-cked up individual who I would want nothing more to do with.

 

I still CHOOSE not to believe that what YOU suggested is true. I still suspect something awful happened and if it did and he is locked up in a hospital, then I have compassion and deep concern and hope he gets the help he needs, and using this board as means of trying to find out.

 

But I guess none of it matters to you, since you don't believe anything anyone posts here or on the internet anyway and it's all here just to entertain you so you can pick it all apart. So, according to how you view this board, you don't believe me or anyone else and nothing would satisfy you, nor should I believe anything you post. You think it's all entertainment and fiction.

 

I don't believe everything I read, but I am intelligent enough to sift through it all and decide what may OR may NOT be true. I always thought his online journal was a NON-fictional account of his daily life and was fascinated by it. If I later find out is was all fictional , then I was fooled, and I wouldn't find that entertaining at all, just that I had been decieved all these years, and that would suck!

 

And if something is a fact and is true, and then someone posts about that truth on the internet, it doesn't make that fact any LESS true for someone to post about it because it's on a messege board. You are suggesting NOTHING here is capable of ever being the truth! It's for each individual to decide what is and isn't true. I don't think that makes me and other's here not being of "right mind" ( which would suggest you thing you are the only one who is of a right mind, and never wrong) as you stated. I think it makes us more compassionate human beings, and more alive.

[curious2000]

"I still CHOOSE not to believe that what YOU suggested is true. I still suspect something awful happened and if it did and he is locked up in a hospital, then I have compassion and deep concern and hope he gets the help he needs, and using this board as means of trying to find out".

 

 

correction to above: ...,then I have compassion and deep concern and hope he gets the help he needs, and I AM using this board as a means of trying to find out more info. ( not to suggest Devon is using this board as a means to get help) Unless he himself will post a response here to explain all this.

[woodlawn]

RE: The "Positive" Posters

 

>You are completely taking what I stated out of context.

 

I am? Didn't you also state in your last post that you were not going to spend any more of your time posting in this thread? Or I am taking that out of context too? Why do you make these big, dramatic statements about what you're going to do and then contradict them five minutes later? Don't you realize how ridiculous that makes you look?

 

 

He

>would indeed bet a sick f-ck if he was ( as YOU suggested)

>sitting back and NOT in a mental hospital, but leisurly

>painting,scamming people,

 

So if he is confined to a mental ward he is NOT sick, but if he is sitting in his own home doing exactly what he planned to do and benefitting from it, that means he IS sick. I get it.

 

>I still CHOOSE not to believe that what YOU suggested is true.

>I still suspect something awful happened and if it did and he

>is locked up in a hospital, then I have compassion and deep

>concern and hope he gets the help he needs, and using this

>board as means of trying to find out.

 

You can choose to believe whatever you wish. But you can't use this board to find out anything since, as I pointed out several times, all you can get here is a bunch of stories from people you don't know and whose veracity you have no means of testing.

 

By the way, in your earlier post you identified me as one of "the negative posters." Tell me, who is it that posted in this thread the rumor that Devon has had a mental breakdown, the rumor that he is on drugs and the rumor that he is confined in a mental hospital? Was that one of "the negative posters," or was that one of YOUR group, "the positive posters"? Well?

 

>But I guess none of it matters to you, since you don't believe

>anything anyone posts here or on the internet anyway and it's

>all here just to entertain you so you can pick it all apart.

>So, according to how you view this board, you don't believe me

>or anyone else and nothing would satisfy you, nor should I

>believe anything you post. You think it's all entertainment

>and fiction.

 

Finally, you are making sense!

 

> If I later

>find out is was all fictional , then I was fooled, and I

>wouldn't find that entertaining at all, just that I had been

>decieved all these years, and that would suck!

 

Two questions. First, why would it "suck"? You claim you were entertained for hours and hours by reading his crap. If you later find out it wasn't real, would that change the fact that you had many entertaining hours reading it? Second, as I have pointed out again and again, you have no way of finding out now or in the future whether anything Devon wrote then or writes now has anything to do with reality. Because, as I have pointed out again and again, all the information you have about him and about what he writes comes secondhand from people you don't know. Unless you decide to get out from behind your computer and go see him yourself, or unless Sixty Minutes decides to do a segment on him, you are never going to know anything about him except unsubstantiated stories posted on anonymous message boards by complete strangers.

 

 

>You are suggesting NOTHING here is capable of

>ever being the truth!

 

Not quite. I am stating, not suggesting, that if your sole source of information on this subject is the postings of anonymous strangers on a message board, you are never going to know whether anything you read on the subject has anything to do with reality.

 

> It's for each individual to decide what

>is and isn't true.

 

That sounds a lot like the philosophy George Orwell created for the rulers of Oceania in "1984." On the contrary, however, there is such a thing as truth. It either is or is not true that Devon is in a hospital right now. If he isn't there, the fact that you think he is won't make it true, and vice versa. The problem is, you have no way of knowing whether it is or isn't true. If it amuses you to speculate and gossip about it, go ahead. Devon has after all spent an enormous amount of time and effort publicizing what he claims are the details of his life, so he can hardly complain if those details become a subject of gossip. But all you and the others are doing is chewing on stories that may or may not have anything to do with reality, and whose credibility you have absolutely no means of judging.

 

> I think it makes us more compassionate human

>beings, and more alive.

 

I don't think having what you called a "Christiane Amanpour moment" and rushing over here to post an unsubstantiated rumor that Devon has had a mental breakdown has anything to do with being "compassionate." I think that's a rather nasty thing to do to Devon or anyone else. All it says about you is that you enjoy spreading scandalous rumors and you don't much care what effect that may have on other people.

[curious2000]

RE: The "Positive" Posters

 

I said I was not going to respond back, but then though, what the hell. You keep missing the point.

 

>>Two questions. First, why would it "suck"? You claim you were entertained for hours and hours by reading his crap. If you later find out it wasn't real, would that change the fact that you had many entertaining hours reading it? Second, as I have pointed out again and again, you have no way of finding out now or in the future whether anything Devon wrote then or writes now has anything to do with reality. Because, as I have pointed out again and again, all the information you have about him and about what he writes comes secondhand from people you don't know. Unless you decide to get out from behind your computer and go see him yourself, or unless Sixty Minutes decides to do a segment on him, you are never going to know anything about him except unsubstantiated stories posted on anonymous message boards by complete strangers.

 

 

--Umm,you screwed up your post when you asked for two question, there was only one. The second one was not a question, it was merely your rambling words. As to your ONE question: Of course it would suck to find out 2 years of content in his journal was all false and fabricated and just BS. I was entertained at the time, but the knowledge that it was all fake and didn't happen would indeed be a hugh let down and suck...geesh, most all his readers would think it sucked and sucks now that it has radically changed so much just over the past 2/3 weeks and hince all of this interest in trying to figure out what it going on! you are makeing yourself look ridiculous.

 

 

>>I don't think having what you called a "Christiane Amanpour moment" and rushing over here to post an unsubstantiated rumor that Devon has had a mental breakdown has anything to do with being "compassionate." I think that's a rather nasty thing to do to Devon or anyone else. All it says about you is that you enjoy spreading scandalous rumors and you don't much care what effect that may have on other people<<

 

--I already apologized for that, and I apologize now if that may have upset anyone that I posted an unsubstantiated rumor about him being hospitalized. And I was just providing what I read on his website to the other posters here who wanted to know any news of what is going on as a possible clue.I find it interesting that you view that as spreading "scandalous rumors" when you did the same thing by speculating and planting the seeds of a rumor in your previous post that he could be sitting back in Providence painting and enjoying himself laughing about all this while ripping people off for money with a paypal scam. What a hypocrite you are!

 

Two questions: 1)why are you even interested in responding to this topic about Devon at all since you called his journal "crap"? and 2) why are you wasting hours and hours of your time on this messege board ripping apart my and most everyone else's posts in such dramatically critical detail? it just goes on and on and makes you look ridiculously over-critical and untrustworthy of anyone and anything.

[Trixie]

Well, I've never been a hardcore follower of Devon's Diary. I had looked in on it now and again last year, and took a look again this afternoon to see what all the fuss is about.

Personally I think this is all some performance-piece homage to the Beat Poets. He's on a cross country road trip (ala Kerouac), writing nightmarish stream of consciousness babble-fragments (ala Burroughs).

Artists will be artists.

 

Everybody loves bric-a-brac

 

 

La Trix

[woodlawn]

RE: The "Positive" Posters

 

>I said I was not going to respond back, but then though, what

>the hell. You keep missing the point.

 

I think the point is that you are one of the many posters here who enjoys making big, dramatic statements about what he is or isn't going to do, but who then behaves in a manner that shows his statements are nothing but hot air. Did I get that right?

 

>--Umm,you screwed up your post when you asked for two

>question, there was only one.

 

As the garbled syntax of your sentence above clearly shows, you are not in a position to give anyone lessons in expository writing -- at least not in English.

 

>The second one was not a

>question, it was merely your rambling words.

 

Wrong. It does not ask a question, but it does raise a question. The question is, what makes you believe you can find out anything about Devon (or any other subject) by reading secondhand accounts posted by complete strangers on a message board?

 

>I find it

>interesting that you view that as spreading "scandalous

>rumors" when you did the same thing by speculating and

>planting the seeds of a rumor in your previous post that he

>could be sitting back in Providence painting and enjoying

>himself laughing about all this while ripping people off for

>money with a paypal scam. What a hypocrite you are!

 

No, I am not a hypocrite. As dear old Doug has pointed out in this very thread, I'm not one of the self-described "positive posters" who uses a pretended "concern" for Devon's welfare as an excuse to chew over the most scandalous and derogatory rumors about him on this message board. I've made it quite clear from the outset that I don't give a hoot about his welfare. And I could never be such a hypocrite as to tell people that spreading derogatory rumors about someone shows how "compassionate" I am -- which is what you just did in your previous post.

 

>Two questions: 1)why are you even interested in responding to

>this topic about Devon at all since you called his journal

>"crap"?

 

I have no interest at all in him or his journal. What I do find interesting is the hypocritical behavior of people who pretend to be concerned about him but really just want an excuse to gossip.

 

>and 2) why are you wasting hours and hours of your

>time on this messege board ripping apart my and most everyone

>else's posts in such dramatically critical detail?

 

You already answered that question yourself in a previous post. As you said, this message board is a merely a source of entertainment for me. I'm not silly enough to believe all the stories I read here, and I don't really care about the people of whom the stories are told. I simply find it amusing. Anything wrong with that? This website is, after all, about escorts. Is there some purpose to hiring escorts other than amusing oneself? If the purpose of sex is not procreation and not the expression of genuine feelings for another person, then what is left -- other than amusement?