Arnaud has been traveling at nearly the speed of light!

[Guest]

Arnaud must be traveling at nearly the speed of light for quite some time! How else could he be 23 in both his first review (10/99) and his latest?? ;-)

[Guest loverboy]

Let's assume that the review is genuine and was written by a client, not by him, and that the client is only guessing at stats, like in all other reviews, and that the client is probably using information from his website or ads and that Arnaud didn't update his website on his last birthday, or very possibly the client is copying the information from a previous review. If Arnaud was 23 in 10/99, he's probably 24 now (maybe 25). So his age is off by 1. Some are off by a lot more than that.

Given the large discrepancies in the information in the reviews of some other escorts, some of which should not be a matter of guesswork, I don't find this one very shocking. For example, I have seen some where the escort has been uncut in several reviews and then suddenly has become cut for some later reviews (sudden painful operation with a lot of down time from work for healing?). Even more curious, there is at least one case where the escort was cut in the first several reviews and then became uncut for more than one (does that regenerate, like a lizard's tail? did he have it added by plastic surgery?).

[Guest fedssocr]

Actually many escort never age. It must be something they learn how to do at escort school. I have seen some ads in our local gay paper for years where the guy has never progressed past 21.

 

As for the cut/uncut thing, sometimes it actually is difficult to tell. Unless the guy advertises himself one way or the other it is sometimes a guess. For me that is much less consequential than when escorts lie about their ages in their ads.

[Justice]

>For me that is

>much less consequential than when

>escorts lie about their ages

>in their ads.

 

I agree -- it is a problem when escorts lie about their ages in their ads. However, I've got a feeling that many escorts place an ad and than forget all about them. IMHO, it would be better it the escort simply listed the year that he was born instead of their age. That way there will be no need to worry about updating the ad!

[Guest]

I don't think they forget about them. They have to put up their ads every issue. Fedssoccer may be thinking about this guy who has advertised in the Bay Area Reporter as being 21 for at least 3 years now, maybe 4. Needless to say, he hasn't updated his picture, either. He's never been reviewed here, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn he's a charlatan. If you're good, you're good. You don't need to lie about your age. In any case, I usually hire guys in their 30s, and can't recall when I last hired someone under 25...

[Justice]

You're right in the case of print ads. Unfortunately, the ads on the internet run forever or so it seems.

[Guest MrB]

They may be white lies but we do not like them!

 

And I think it's even worse when they lie to you about penis size. It's really silly as well, everybody adding one or two inches for no real reason. Don't they realise we're going to be disappointed when we are presented with the hard evidence?

 

MrB

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Are these peeves about advertised age and dick size really worth the bitch energy??

 

True, there are some charlatans out there intending to seriously deceive... however the deception is up when you meet in the flesh, so write a review and instill a little reluctance on their part.

 

Regarding age, I don’t think the vast majority are out to deceive in a serious way... sure many shave a year or two here and there but what is the big deal. Can most of us really distinguish a 23 year old from a 24 year old, short of severing a leg and counting the rings?? They are playing to our fantasies... and our fantasies are what we seek, I think.

 

As for updating internet and print adds, I don't think there is any broad conspiracy to deceive here. It is human nature (mine anyway) to minimize effort -- particularly of a maintenance activity. (I would always rather do something new than redo something old :-) ) So it is just human nature to repeat the same print add or to submit and forget the i-net add -- maybe not the best business practice but then we are not dealing with business men, are we? Nor do we want to, I think. Eventually though, these adds should be updated or it becomes a real case of serious, if unintended, deception -- but only if the accurate info is not disclosed when contact is made.

 

Now dick size... we have none to blame but ourselves for this... our obsession over it. They are playing to our fantasies here -- big time!! It is understandable that what is perceived to sell is what is advertised, and often the truth is stretched, so to speak. I long ago learned to discount dick size on a sliding scale, so I'm rarely, if ever, surprised anymore. I doubt if there are more than a handful of 10 inchers (pun intended) in the business, worldwide . Ten means to me ‘big’ -- maybe 9ish or a big 8. I subtract one to two inches at the top of the scale and a little less in the mid range. My ‘biggest surprise’ was an advertised seven incher that might have made five on a good day -- although at the right sun angle it might have cast a seven inch shadow. :-)

 

So except for the occasional seriously intended deception, what is the big deal?? Adapt to real world practices and move ahead without real surprises and disappointments. On those occasions when your are surrprised, it is likely to be pleasantly so. :-)

[Guest regulation]

LAST EDITED ON May-03-01 AT 12:44PM (EST)[p]I don't much care for anyone in any business who lies to potential customers in order to get them to give him their money. I think there's a difference between the kind of puffery one often sees in advertising ("Our product is the best on the market!") and lying about specific attributes of a product that customers will take into account when making the decision to purchase.

 

When it comes to escorts, I don't consider a precise figure on age or penis size terribly important. But the fact that some escorts take the trouble to mention a specific age or penis size in an ad shows they think that at least some clients do. Clients are certainly within their rights to use such criteria, and it makes no sense to me to say that they are to blame when an escort lies to them about these things in order to get their business. There's never any excuse for selling something that you can't deliver.

[Guest MrB]

No, it's not OK to lie!

 

TY,

 

 

Thanks for that, but I really think you're being too kind to the guys because you like them so much :-) BTW, I like them, too!

It's OK to emphasise the best of your product in marketing and advertising but car or shoe manufacturers are not allowed to tell us lies about something as measurable as size. Why should escorts be an exception?

Like you, I've learned to read stats and expect reality to be somewhat less impressive. That does not mean it's right.

 

 

Have fun

 

MrB

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: No, it's not OK to lie!

 

LAST EDITED ON May-03-01 AT 08:07PM (EST)[p]Mr. B.

 

Hope you are well... and having fun too.

 

You are right -- I do like the guys!! ;-)

 

I apologize if my comments led you to believe I was dicussing right from wrong -- not my intent at all, because deliberate misrepresnetation is never right.

 

My point is that some of these practices are not intentional deception; and the dick size misrepresentation is going to be with us, in part, because we reinforce it by our client attitudes/fantasies. This microcosm works the way it does and in this particular case it's practical, IMHO, to adjust our expectations accordingly and be pleasantly surprised on occasion. Continued complaining about these practices hasn't and won't change them so its not worth the energy, to me at least. While I do dig my heels in on principle more than occasionally, not on this -- because as Traveller and others have pointed out, this is just about casual sex, not freedom of speech or freedom of the bedroom. :-)

[CT Dick]

>Even more curious, there is

>at least one case where

>the escort was cut in

>the first several reviews and

>then became uncut for more

>than one

 

That's easy to explain; I've made that mistake myself:

 

Natural is what I want, cut is what I un-want, so my warped mind gives "uncut" to circumcized dicks-see my review of Marcus in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

(Age sure can play funny tricks with a heretofore sound mind.)

[Michael]

Arnaud's advertised age is off by a lot more than 1.

 

Of course, he might be dyslexic - 32 would be much closer to the mark.

[Guest Ellipse]

Very well written! I think it obvious that very many of the users of this site, as well as other escort-related sites, do consider penis size important. A quick review of any escort referral site would suggest that most escorts have 7 to 8 inches of "thick" endowment. Most of the remainder claim more. Are we to believe the same old schoolboy yarns about large endowments when making a relatively expensive business decision?

[Guest loverboy]

That's exactly my point. There is a lot of incorrect and even contradictory information in the descriptions of the escorts, for a lot of different reasons, so the fact that an escort's reported age has not changed a year later (whether or not that is his real age) is not very remarkable. Thanks for adding yet another reason: client error.

[Guest loverboy]

Of course, that's a different matter. If his age is false, then this year's false age is off by 1 from last year's false age. ;-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Ellipse,

 

It seems to me that your point makes my point, at least one of them. :-)

[Guest Ellipse]

LAST EDITED ON May-05-01 AT 08:46AM (EST)[p]TY, The point is, the intentional deceptions continue, regardless of the postings on this board. There are frequent reinforcements of these deceptions by the reviewers. Clients often simply input the info given by the escorts into their reviews. Further, many clients do not write reviews. The above-mentioned criteria are quite important for very many clients. If you would tolerate exaggeration and/or deception from any other professional, so be it. Many clients can not afford to be so nonchalant.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Ellipse

 

>

>TY, The point is, the intentional

>deceptions continue, regardless of the

>postings on this board. There

>are frequent reinforcements of these

>deceptions by the reviewers. Clients

>often simply input the info

>given by the escorts into

>their reviews. Further, many clients

>do not write reviews.

 

All too true...

 

>The above-mentioned criteria are quite

>important for very many clients.

 

I understand...

 

> If you would tolerate exaggeration and/or

>deception from any other professional,

>so be it. Many clients

>can not afford to be

>so nonchalant.

 

So since

 

>TY, The point is, the intentional

>deceptions continue, regardless of the

>postings on this board.

 

(my point exactly) what will you or I do to remedy the situation?? Nothing I think, it's beyond our control.

 

My prescription is a practical measure to bring expectations in line with reality as we encounter it; to limit disappointment -- which, at the bigger end of the spectrum, is more likely to be the case than not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't troll for the whopper. Just be prepared for what your likely to land and who knows, there might be an occasional pleasant surprise... seems preferable to me than the all too frequent disappointment.

 

TY (whose world is half full rather than half empty :-) )

[Guest regulation]

>

>>TY, The point is, the intentional

>>deceptions continue, regardless of the

>>postings on this board.

>

>(my point exactly) what will you

>or I do to remedy

>the situation?? Nothing I

>think, it's beyond our control.

>

>

 

What will you do to remedy the situation if an escort you hire pulls an "Anthony Holloway" on you? Or a no-show? Or sends you a picture that turns out to resemble his son more than it does him? I assume you'll write a review warning people not to do business with him. So should it be in the case of an escort who is deceptive in other ways that are important to clients.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>What will you do to remedy

>the situation if an escort

>you hire pulls an "Anthony

>Holloway" on you? Or

>a no-show? Or sends

>you a picture that turns

>out to resemble his son

>more than it does him?

> I assume you'll write

>a review warning people not

>to do business with him.

 

Yes I will I and I have... and I'll post a message on the boards as well in the interim before the review appears.

 

> So should it be

>in the case of an

>escort who is deceptive in

>other ways that are important

>to clients.

 

I don't disagree in principle or in practice if this issue is of great enough import to the reviewer; but the present review process already inquires about the particular statistic of interest. And the reviewer may write comments that indicate deception if there was such perpetrated directly by the escort. (Making assumptions based on other reviews is not escort deception.)

 

So your ultimate beef it seems is with the reviewer. Every process needs discipline to reign in abuses and in this case it is the review that provides the discipline. Of course this doesn't always work as we have seen with AH and with dick size misrepresentation to date. So if it doesn't work then adjust your strategy to maximize your chances for a fun time by minimizing your disappointments over dick size -- and occasionally be pleasantly surprised with an unusually exceptional time. (As for AH, minimize your chance for disappointment by choosing someone else.)