With regret . . .

[Guest PWIT]

RE: If he only had a heart.

 

LOL...OK Gene, since you asked a question in your post I will respond.

 

>PWIT, why did you not reprint the board rules about personal

>attacks or take offense when RockHard started referring to

>Doug69 as "Herpes69" merely because Doug exposed BN's

>plagiarism?

 

Different thread, different day. Not relevant to the original poster comments of this thread. RockHard's statement was not in this thread or it may have kicked off my comment.

 

>And then you called Doug a "bitter queen." Do you

>feel name-calling and personal attacks are sometimes justified

>if they are used against someone you don't like or who does

>"bad" things like exposing fraudulent escorts?

 

That comment was because Doug69 didn't like my more genteel approach. I believe he called it passive aggressive. I then fired back an alternate response which I thought was more to his liking and style. Later in that thread I responded that I should not have used the BQ comment. Did you miss that? Did you miss in this thread that I was not claiming innocence?

 

>Yes, you are a hypocrite!

 

I guess you also missed in a previous thread where I think everyone is a hypocrite to some level, including myself. Part of human nature as I see it. Really, you should do a little better job in your research. Maybe Doug69 will tutor you.

[Guest O solo mio]

RE: If he only had a heart.

 

>Really, you should do a little

>better job in your research. Maybe Doug69 will tutor you.

 

No offense, but I'm not interested in researching your posts because I don't think you have an interesting writing style or point of view.

[GuntherCory]

I think at this point, it's safe to say that the BN haters have certain issues they need to deal with. They sad individuals are so obsessive and fanatical about venting their hatred, that they simply cannot take a rational look at their behavior anymore.

 

It's embarrassing to watch, actually.

[Guest alanm]

RE: HooBoy/BN history

 

I sort of like the new

>"free speech" here.

 

I agree.

 

For those people who left this site after HooBoy's untimely death,

I suggest a second look. I will feel the same way if Daddy decides to

take the FFF thread down.

[Guest PWIT]

RE: If he only had a heart.

 

>>Really, you should do a little

>>better job in your research. Maybe Doug69 will tutor you.

>

>No offense, but I'm not interested in researching your posts

>because I don't think you have an interesting writing style or

>point of view.

 

No offense taken. The feeling is mutual.

[FinFangFoom]

>I think at this point, it's safe to say that the BN haters

>have certain issues they need to deal with. They sad

>individuals are so obsessive and fanatical about venting their

>hatred, that they simply cannot take a rational look at their

>behavior anymore.

>

>It's embarrassing to watch, actually.

 

 

You think THIS has been fanatical venting of hatred?

 

What Little Benjie (and let me stress again that this is not a veiled reference to the size of his penis) has been on the receiving end of is a sisterly southern Sunday social compared to the putrid bile that was regularly excreted on this site in days gone by.

 

Puh-leez Louise!

 

Comparatively, we're painting daisies on each other in day-glo colors, putting flowers in each other's hair, joining hands and collectively swaying as we sing Kumbaya.

 

Today's message board is like a Hallmark card written by your saintly grandmother.

 

Shall I go on with the analogies and metaphors or have you gotten my point?

 

You need to cowboy up, cowboy.

 

Sternly yours,

 

FFF

[Guest O solo mio]

RE: HooBoy/BN history

 

I agree, too. I think Daddy's great accomplishment has been making this place less nasty while promoting free speech, not an easy thing to balance, I would imagine.

 

Does anyone remember the thread called "escort gossip" (link below) about a certain well-known escort who was being indiscreet and talking about his clients to other clients, things such as names, occupations, business accounts that checks were drawn from, etc. It was pretty obvious who the escort was, so Hooboy locked the thread. I cannot imagine Daddy doing the same thing today.

 

http://m4m.m4m-forum.org/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=76442&mesg_id=&page=&mode=full#76480

[Guest n2colour]

RE: Daddy's Show Now

 

Yes, Daddy runs the show now. It is his site to do with what he pleases. He can set limits, ban people, or close the thing down. Those who don't like the way things are can make suggestions for change. If they don't like the answers, they can stay or leave (and form their own site, as has been done). Wonderful thing, free choice.

 

Lookin exercised his free choice. He freely gave his reasons. That's his right to do. Some agree with him. Some don't. People freely chose to opine about that decision. Others took issue with the opinions expressed and chose to contribute their own. No one went to jail for speaking up, no one died for speaking up, no one lost their job for speaking up. What a concept.

[RockHard]

RE: Beware of the snakes.

 

"Speaking of blood-thristy cretins, how about that fucking-coward-cunt-asshole with piss-stained trousers and gaping holes at the knees who's throwing the word "moral" and "values" around while his dickless-head is stealing all the "free" internet porn he can get his lube-crusted hands on? Can you believe this barf-bowl of shit: "I personally would not engage in a personal sex act with anyone I knew in advance of, to be of highly questionable character or morality. Those are my values." Don't you just love the disclaimer "in advance of?" I can't stop laughing at the fool. Can't you just see him on his knees asking to see the value/moral card before he swallows that big-old-cock whole? If I didn't know better, I'd say this fucking-coward-cunt-double-posting asshole was a Republican in the closet. How else can one explain such stupidity?"

 

 

"why did you not reprint the board rules about personal attacks or take offense when RockHard started referring to Doug69 as "Herpes69"

 

Because smarter readers will know that my reference to "Nothing destroys fun like a disease with no cure" is what some might call satire. It was NOT a personal attack.

 

"Thank you for providing such a vivid reminder of why I stopped posting here. The Stupidity is so intense it actually burns." Doug69, March 12, 2007

 

BURN BABIES BURN, DISCO INFERNO! BURN BABIES BURN.

[RockHard]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

Some recent faves:

 

"I think Daddy's great accomplishment has been making this place less nasty while promoting free speech"

"Yes, you are a hypocrite!"

Both quotes by O solo mio, March 19, 2007, with only 24 posts:

 

 

"Rockhard is such an ass licking, ass kissing prentious little cunt." March 19, 2007 (Not a nasty bone there. If only this bitch could spell during her hyper-ventilating "nasty" attacks. She doesn't deserve a writing credit. 60+ posts and desperately seeking more.)

 

 

Recently, from Doug69:

"Thank you for providing such a vivid reminder of why I stopped posting here. The Stupidity is so intense it actually burns." (I wonder if she thought to include her own contributions. Are you among the Stupid?)

 

"Anything which can create common cause between me...and my dear dear dear friend Deej (whom I have so missed) is a cause for joyous celebration."

 

"God, even after a two year hiatus, I only need one post to be reminded of how painfully dumb you are." (Just a lovely kiss-kiss to deej written shortly after the ingratiating sentence above was posted.)

 

 

Less nasty? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

 

This board can be so entertaining...but all too often in a sad way. It tends to act as a reminder of just how unhappy certain gay men can get. And, naturally, I guess, some of the unhappy seek solace in sex, no doubt with an escort. (My heart goes out to the hot, caring men who really enjoy putting a smile on my face.)

 

Even though Lookin wrote a rather self-indulgent farewell (five paragraphs all beginning with "I" and sixteen "I's" throughout), I enjoy his contributions here. I've never read a nasty word from him and he often provides a reasoned, intelligent perspective. This board would do much better with gay men like him. I hope he reconsiders a return.

 

I see Daddy has posted a "Troll" reminder, which has the effect of spit on a wound. Nobody needs to be reminded that trolls exist on the internet. But when personal attacks get brazenly obvious, troll or no troll, it's time to pour some Clorox on the stains.

 

I urge Daddy, even in the presence of competition, to strike down the posters who "get off" on attacking other members with brazenly obvious "hate you" agendas. Instructing well-meaning people to ignore hate-filled-agenda trolls is NOT ENOUGH because unhappy gay men are relentless and insatiable. Ban the mother-fuckers who strike first, and this includes me.

[Guest EuropTravl]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

What exactly is the argument again?

 

-that FFF posted the photoshopped Vietnam-era pic that offended some?

-that certain people find the BN story irresistable and still worth commenting on?

-or that some like to reply to everything with Dan Ackroyd's "Why Jane, you ignorant slut...."?

 

I think the originator of the thread left because of #1, you can put me in #2, and Rockhard is arguing #3.

 

(ps..RH, quit listing # of posts like it means something. Like I've said, I've been reading since when Hoo had a page that required no registration, and some of BN's latest public-defenders have less than a 5-digit number of posts as well. It doesn't mean anything)

 

If the "trolls" belong to cat 3, I can live with that but I think it's dumb because it's just an internet message board and cries for banning always bore me. If a "troll" is in category 1 or 2, then that pisses me off because it gets back to free speech and the board censoring and wanting to play favorites (again). So, are the trolls the one(s) who like to come here and stir up the dust (and to be fair to FFF, HE WAS INVITED BACK HERE, if memory serves me right) - or are they name-callers? They better not just be "not exactly fans" of you know who, who

did something so brazen and for so long that was there for all to see - and one to uncover - that was just so "in your face, dummies" to begin with, and done purely for one person's self-promotion ONLY.

[RockHard]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

"For me, what makes him (RockHard) so great isn’t just the fact that he’s dived into every flame war here and written almost 70 posts since he began posting only 10 days ago." Doug69, June 22, 2006

 

I figure, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander, sweeties. :-)

 

"RH, quit listing # of posts like it means something."

 

If you quit telling me what to do then I'll resist the temptation to be mean and nasty by telling you to go fuck yourself and your 53 posts. :-)

 

NOTHING on this board means anything, dear, especially from the posters who write with years and years of history with new usernames and only 53 posts.

 

Ban the mother-fuckers, now!

[jackhammer91406]

Early in my tenure here, years ago , before the flood, I too had a reaction to some things posted here. I felt very strongly about the issue and more importantly, the behavior it signified. I forget now what it was, but I do remember it had something to do with personal attacks.

 

In my "resignation" post, I believe I pleaded for more civil behavior. It was all very good, very melodramatic stuff as several members were quick to point out while they held the door for me to exit.

 

I was new to the Internet and very new to message boards and their nature.

 

SO, I can understand where the OP is coming from. Something said or done here can provoke a very strong reaction and we are sometimes forced to look at our own value system and beliefs as a sort of reality check. What passes for human behavior in the world today is almost not recognizable.

 

I was not offended by the pics mentioned, but did appreciate the iconic nature of the specific pic and felt that it's inclusion, while edgy, wasn't necessary to make FFF's point. But offended, no.

 

But I would encourage the OP to do two things:

Don't toss you value system of course.

AND

Just step back, take a breath, and then re-evaluate your decision to leave.

This board is much improved from the days when I first started. Oh sure, there are still personal attacks and vendettas. But back in the day, some of the posters were SO ANGRY, they had to go off and form their own board so that they could spout whatever personal attacks they wanted. While there are still classic feuds here (Rockhard's affection for Tom Isern comes to mind) it is not as bad as it used to be.

 

BUT, in the anonymous world of the Internet, there will always be things posted that INflame. When that happens, state your reaction so as to add to the dialogue, and then step back and count to ten (or twenty if need be).

 

Banning posters is an extreme measure that takes the place of the personal responsibility of each reader to moderate what he reads and how he reacts.

 

Well, just my two cents....

[Guest n2colour]

It was all very good, very melodramatic stuff as several members were quick to point out while they held the door for me to exit.

 

Funny how that works, isn't it? ;-)

 

BUT, in the anonymous world of the Internet, there will always be things posted that INflame. When that happens, state your reaction so as to add to the dialogue, and then step back and count to ten (or twenty if need be).

 

Well, just my two cents....

 

Only two? I was prepared to offer at least five in thanks for that excellent suggestion! (That it might be universally appreciated is, I fear, a forlorn hope.)

[MindThe Gap]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

Rockhard sez.....

 

"I urge Daddy, even in the presence of competition, to strike down the posters who "get off" on attacking other members with brazenly obvious "hate you" agendas. Instructing well-meaning people to ignore hate-filled-agenda trolls is NOT ENOUGH because unhappy gay men are relentless and insatiable. Ban the mother-fuckers who strike first, and this includes me."

 

“Speaking of blood-thristy cretins, how about that fucking-coward-cunt-asshole with piss-stained trousers and gaping holes at the knees who's throwing the word "moral" and "values" around while his dickless-head is stealing all the "free" internet porn he can get his lube-crusted hands on? Can you believe this barf-bowl of shit: "

 

"why did you not reprint the board rules about personal attacks or take offense when RockHard started referring to Doug69 as "Herpes69"

 

“Because smarter readers will know that my reference to "Nothing destroys fun like a disease with no cure" is what some might call satire. It was NOT a personal attack.”

 

Oh Rockhard, Rockhard, Rockhard. Is there no end to your two faced, double-standard moralism toward others? Has the Alzheimer’s progressed to such a level that you can’t even recall things you said just a few days and weeks back, or, is it just a true reflection of who you really are? I’d suggest the latter.

 

Now that Daddy has posted “A Reminder” of the definition of a troll, Rockhard now wants to play for everyone here, a favorite role of his, one which he could never carry off on the stage, due to conflictive personality characteristics with the character, that being of, Norma Rae. Yes, after ALL of Rockhard’s personal attacks on just about everyone here, Rockhard now wants you to believe he actually has a soul and is fighting for everything that is good and right. I’ll bet he’s checking his email inbox every few minutes today, hoping there’s an email in it from Daddy, saying “Good boy, Rockhard, Good Boy.”

 

Why does Rockhard love licking Daddy’s ass so much in public, when all he really does is break most of Daddy’s rules anyway? I guess he’s kind of like that abandoned puppy you might pick up at the humane society; he’s so desperate for love and attention, he’ll do and say just about anything for the approval of others and to get what he wants and needs.

 

Yes, Rockhard wants to be everyone’s Norma Rae today. The disappointing part of all this, for Rockhard, will be when he finally admits to himself who most here already know he is, and has always been, that NOT being Norma Rae, but:

 

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/chgo/norma2-1.jpg

 

.........Norma Desmond

[Guest EuropTravl]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

"NOTHING on this board means anything, dear, especially from the posters who write with years and years of history with new usernames and only 53 posts."

 

Honey, I was "EuropTravl" back when you didn't register and I was shouting at HooBoy how could he have chosen a jelly-bellied balding 20+ year old who posed with teddy bears and dressed in OshKoshByGosh toddler clothes as "Escort of the Year"! That post by me lasted maybe overnight before it was expunged. Never really cared too much to participate after that.

 

(To be fair to Aaron Lawrence, later in his career he did begin to dress like an adult. And there's nothing wrong with jelly-bellied and balding!)

[RockHard]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

HooBoy named Aaron Lawrence Escort of the Year? Holy shit! That alone would drive me to run for the hills. I didn't know HooBoy but I have a feeling his tastes weren't particularly discerning.

 

EuropTravl, unlike many who shit on me and made false accusations when I first joined here (and continue), I have no problem giving you the benefit of the doubt. I HAVE a heart and my doctor tells me it's BIG. (I'll post pics if I get a chance.)

 

However, the line of mine you quoted wasn't necessarily directed at you alone. The double-posting haters and formerly banned who love to wallow in shit and piss know who they are.

 

Their game here is quite simple: receive a personal attack from some idiot you never heard of (with 20 posts), challenge the jack-ass with a similar tone but a smarter, more creatively written response, then receive an accusation of being a hypocrite for slapping the asshole down who slapped you first. I mean really, girls, who's kidding who here?

 

I support Daddy permitting a generous amount of leeway but when a poster calls any member of the board an "ass licking, ass kissing prentious little cunt," and the ignorant, arrogant, double-posting coward prick-of-a-man can't spell his insolence correctly, then I say the UGLY, BITCH-WITH-AN-AGENDA SHOULD BE BANNED.

 

ps No, I don't mind if you call me honey. It reminds me of the New Jersey saleswomen who try to squirt me with men's cologne upon entering Bloomingdales in Manhattan. "Oh, honey, you're gonna love this!" :-)

[RockHard]

Unfortunately...

 

Nicely written, Jack.

 

"Banning posters is an extreme measure that takes the place of the personal responsibility of each reader to moderate what he reads and how he reacts.

 

For lively, intelligent dialogue to occur on any internet board, personal responsibility has to be a two-way street. You simply cannot have it be a one way street.

 

If you're a guest at someone's dinner table and one of the guests keeps yelling, "You're an asshole! You're an asshole! You're an asshole!," eventually, someone is going to hit the true asshole over the head with a frying pan.

 

It's completely unfair to ask everyone to ignore the baters. IT WON'T HAPPEN. As I said earlier, angry, unhappy gay men are relentless and insatiable. The only person who can control such belligerent behavior is the owner of the site. BAN THE MOTHER-FUCKERS!

[Guest EuropTravl]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

sorry, double post

(just trying to increase that count i guess)

[Guest EuropTravl]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

>>Their game here is quite simple: receive a personal attack from some idiot you never >>heard of (with 20 posts), challenge the jack-ass with a similar tone but a smarter, more ...

 

Sounds like an INCREDIBLY BORING message board if that's all that happens.

And, YES, HooBoy chose Aaron Lawrence as the first Escort of the Year on his site when it

was a baby (I said "A.L." in another post, who'd you think I meant? Grandpa 'Al Lewis' Munster?)

And Hoo did NOT allow dissent in his kingdom at that time - but he did have like, what, 20 co-winners of the "Escort of the Year" the following year!?

[MindThe Gap]

RE: Unfortunately...

 

>For lively, intelligent dialogue to occur on any internet

>board, personal responsibility has to be a two-way street. You

>simply cannot have it be a one way street.

>

>If you're a guest at someone's dinner table and one of the

>guests keeps yelling, "You're an asshole! You're an asshole!

>You're an asshole!," eventually, someone is going to hit the

>true asshole over the head with a frying pan.

 

>BAN THE MOTHER-FUCKERS!

 

Rockhard to EuropTravl just moments ago......

 

"If you quit telling me what to do then I'll resist the temptation to be mean and nasty by telling you to go fuck yourself and your 53 posts."

 

Isn't there some sort of medication (like a bullet) to help control his delusions?

[jackhammer91406]

fortunately...

 

For sure, two way street.

 

Just as I am responsible for what I write, I am also responsible for my reaction to what I read. I am not responsible for how others read into what I write. It is part and parcel of this medium, that dialogue comes without inflection or delivery.

 

As for baiters, they LIVE to get a strike on the hook. Banning them isn't the best solution. The BEST solution is to ignore them. I have seen them dealt with when the offense becomes extreme BUT the only arbiter of what is extreme is the owner of this site. I have usually agreed with his decisions or at least understood why he made the ones he made. But my friend, calling for their banning only pleases the baiters. It's what they thrive on. Try to take a breath, count to ten and then move to the next thread. UNLESS you are playing the same game and are trying to ramp up the testosterone.

 

As for your guy yelling at the dinner table , I'll hand you the frying pan, and clean it when you are done.

[RockHard]

RE: fortunately...

 

"As for baiters, they LIVE to get a strike on the hook. Banning them isn't the best solution. The BEST solution is to ignore them."

 

Ignoring someone is not acceptable social behavior for mature adults.

 

Using my dinner party analogy, in order to ignore the asshole who's yelling, "You're an asshole!," one must leave the table. Most folks don't bring earplugs and blinders to a dinner party. Once you leave the table, your dinner is ruined along with your appetite and you begin to wonder why the host invited such a fool and whether you'll accept an invitation ever again.

 

If the host truly cares about his guests and wishes them to return, time and again, he'll realize the asshole is out of line, pisses people off for the thrill, and should never be invited to another dinner party.

 

In other words, un-inviting the baters is the only cure, especially if you wish to keep your "best" guests coming back for jolly good times.

 

I don't know of any other forum that permits a member to call another member an asshole. Such behavior will surely get you banned from those boards and your ISP will get blocked. Granted, many of these boards have 500,000+ members and their selling tons of ad space. They can afford to pay moderators. But not all forums, especially travel forums, get that kind of traffic or ad space yet their conduct rules are strictly enforced.

 

Maybe escort boards can't operate like other boards. Maybe Daddy knows something I don't. Maybe there are too many socially immature men with personality disorders who can only relate to man-on-man intimacy if they're paying for it. Maybe this is the best one can expect for a venue that caters to escorts and the men who like them, good and bad.

 

The only truth I know about internet forums: if you want to see your board go south, allow the bating trolls to dominate the asylum. Business 101.

[Guest zipperzone]

RE: Ban the mother-fuckers, NOW.

 

You would be toast!

[jackhammer91406]

RE: fortunately...

 

I'll try one last time.

Ignoring someone is perfectly acceptable behavior given these circumstances. The reason your dinner party analogy doesn't really work in this case is because...

 

We're not in the same room. I am in my room, you are somewhere across the country in yours. Simply reading someone yelling asshole is ENTIRELY under your control and mine. Don't read it. Don't respond to it. If I was lucky enough to be invited into your circle to your place for dinner and someone started behaving the way you describe, I would get up, go to the kitchen and get the frying pan myself to bring to you.

 

But, In absence of PRESENCE, I can easily chose who to read and who not to read. I control that, not Daddy, not you my friend, and not anyone else. I AM RESPONSIBLE for what I read. I do not blame Daddy for lack of policing or the poster for lack of intellect, tact, class or any of a number of social deficiencies. I am at fault if I read something here that upsets me so much that I want to attack, because then I have lost control. I do not want someone else to have control for me. I am an adult.

 

But that's just my opinion on this. Believe me, this kind of thing has been going on here for as long as I have been here and the place is still here. As I said in an earlier post, it used to be much worse. When the unhappy ones left to start their own place, they were free to purge bile in every direction. I am told that the place is gone now. Maybe the market for that kind of thing loses it's appeal when everyone does it. I dunno. But here it's not hard for me to get a quick read on the people who like to cause trouble and I just avoid their posts. Works for me.