Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

[AdamSmith]

>So imagine my surprise when he picked up the tab!

>Now that's good manners!

 

Like Lookin says, generosity all around creates a virtuous circle.

 

Height of hospitality I've received from an escort went beyond even his picking up the check. Venturing out to his favorite restaurant, we found it unexpectedly closed due to some emergency with the facility that night. Casting around for what to do, he offered that the only other restaurants worth going to, he was underdressed for. So he took me to his home and cooked a scrumptious dinner!

 

Needless to say, I became a client for life.

[RockHard]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

"I think I understand what RockHard is saying here: the host should be generous, and the guest should be modest."

 

At least there's someone on this board with a brain that can pump gas.

 

Tom Isern is such a laughable loser. Maybe he deserves someone's pity. He sure as hell doesn't deserve our money.

[AdamSmith]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

>a brain that can

>pump gas.

 

Great image!

 

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[Lookin]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

Well, I've been called shit-fer-brains more than once, but I like your version better!

 

If I thought about Andre hard enough, wonder if I could power a Prius? :9

[AdamSmith]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

>If I thought about Andre hard enough, wonder if I could power

>a Prius? :9

 

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[valentino11]

RE: Good manners, promotional gifts, bussines choices...not the same thing.

 

Juan

 

that was a great comment. i never forget that the way i was taught manners is totally decided on by my culture and time in which i grew up.

 

my family was very poor and lived in one of the poorest towns in puerto rico. when people came over we offered what ever we had even if it was ALL that we had. as a result i have never gone crazy on someone else's dime.

 

escorting does however change your perceptions of things cause many times you are around people that money is not an issue for. i have to remind myself that no matter how much money someone has it doesnt give me the right to use it (or abuse it) any way i want. this can be difficult if a person in pompous or arrogant about their wealth but I can only control myself and i make that decision to do just that.

 

cultural rule as a puerto rican : if you tell me to order anything

I want 3 times, on the 3rd time I will accept but the first 2 times i will refuse..maybe its was just my family but those were our unwritten rules of politeness. what us seperates us from being the animals that we are :-) ?

 

btw i lose weight too when I travel ! good part is it just makes me look very ripped :-)

[Louis]

RE: Good manners, promotional gifts, bussines choices...not the same thing.

 

Val you made an error when you typed in your web page.

It should read.

http://www.ricanmuscle.com/

Thanks for sharing your views.

[+ Tom Isern]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

Good one Lookin,

 

Are you in PR? You really should be. I agree with your interpretation: hosts should be generous and guests should be modest. Very nice. But be honest—that wasn’t Rockhead’s argument. You’ve made a silk purse from a sow’s ear, and I suspect you know it.

 

What is offensive about this internet troll Rockhead’s manner of posting—and it is his typical modus operandi, we all know it—is the way he uses every opportunity to belittle fellow posters (in this case, implying that TrumpCoupTommy lacked manners and had “disturbing” issues with money), pontificate to others about manners while demonstrating that he has none (the very definition of a hypocrite), and blathering endlessly about his wealth, fancy homes, and connections to celebrities (so much for modesty).

 

We’ve all read how Rockhead’s self-esteem is dependent on wearing $100/pair underwear and drinking the most expensive coffee in the world. If his prose were limited to exposing his pathetic insecurities, he would merely be someone to pity. His boorish bullying of others on the list, however, deserves to be condemned for what it is.

 

In the meantime, Looking, I’ll keep you in mind if I ever need a first-rate PR flack! Be well.

[RockHard]

RE: Some guys enjoy eating shit.

 

"What is offensive about this internet troll Rockhead’s manner of posting—and it is his typical modus operandi, we all know it—is the way he uses every opportunity to belittle fellow posters (in this case, implying that TrumpCoupTommy lacked manners and had “disturbing” issues with money)"

 

Even more offensive than my "manner of posting" is the fact that Tom Isern is a blatant liar and he will say anything to get someone's attention. Any customer who would engage in sex-for-money or trust this miscreant surely must have "disturbing issues." The marketplace offers so many happier, trustworthy escorts, who actually have spines (and are much better looking).

 

I do not know TrumpCoupTommy and, frankly, I probably didn't pay much attention to his username when I responded to the statement he wrote. It's not a username I recognize. Unless I specifically name someone by his username on this board, Tom-liar-Isern, it means that all my pronouns can be considered "general:" "you" equals anyone reading my posts. If I intend to insult someone personally, Tom-liar-Isern, I have no problem putting his username in my reply.

 

Lookin understood what I meant, Tom, because Lookin is smarter than you.

[AdamSmith]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

First "someone on this board with a brain that can pump gas."

 

Now "a first-rate PR flack!"

 

Lookin, your career options just go from strength to strength!

 

Wonder about job openings on the generous terrace? :+

[Lookin]

RE: Silk purses for everyone!

 

Tom, while I did read all of RockHard’s posts, I didn’t pull out the specific two quotes you did, and place them side by side. When you did, I saw that they contained the seemingly contradictory conclusions that I had come to a few pages earlier: i. e., both host and guest (or client and escort) should show mutual respect for one another, and treat each other well. It seemed you posted them as an entré to call RockHard brainless. I didn’t think the point of view was brainless, and said so, at the same time hoping to stay out of the crossfire. Apparently that didn't work, but I stand by what I said.

 

While I’m not talented enough to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, I am savvy enough to know that in each of us, almost without exception, there are silk purses and sows’ ears nestled side by side. It is my conscious choice to be more interested in a guy’s silk purses than I am in his sows’ ears. RockHard can be a funny guy, with some creative insights; he’s rarely boring, and he has a loving relationship with his son. You have very well-informed progressive political views, and the strength, passion and clarity to put them out to this community. There’s plenty of silk purses in both your lives, more than enough to keep me interested and entertained. When the sows start wiggling their ears, usually I can find something else to do.

 

You’ve made a different choice. You have found it works for you to call me a flack, or RockHard brainless. Sometimes, you’ll get some insult back, and that will start the cycle de jour. I’ve got no issue with that, and respect your right to do it. But I also think it’s fair that you respect my right not to do it.

 

With regard to your generous offer of possible future employment, thanks but no thanks. If you ever need anyone to sing your praises for passionate civic involvement and beautiful writing, I’m your guy, free of charge. But if you want someone to perfume the porcine parts, you’ll have to take that one on yourself. :o

[Lookin]

RE: Some guys should just shut up.

 

> Wonder about job openings on the generous terrace? :+

 

 

Like being hung out to dry?

 

Well, I do have some relevant experience!

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Silk purses for everyone!

 

Lookin....I so like your post. I need to sip from your half full cup. :-)

[RockHard]

RE: Girls just want to have fun.

 

Gentleman all (which excludes Tom, of course), thank you for reading my posts. :-)

[RockHard]

RE: Whose Afraid of Vagina Isern?

 

"You have found it works for you to call me a flack, or RockHard brainless."

 

And here lies the obvious revelation: it NEVER "works" for any escort to call anonymous customers derogatory names. In fact, it's downright stupid and self-destructive, which explains why escorts who take their business seriously don't do it. (Even though some would like to.)

 

I believe Tom Isern is a foolish businessman, a troubled, unhappy escort; possibly a troubled, unhappy man. Probably a masochist.

 

Tom Isern is the quintessential example of WHAT NOT TO DO if you're trying to earn a living in the service arena. Even a dog knows, if you want a happy home, NEVER bite the hand that feeds you.

 

I'm a firm believer, when it comes to paying customers in the service arena, the customer is always right. They have to be because without them there's no payment. It's that simple.

 

If you (generally speaking, not just Tom Isern) have issues that prevent you from enjoying certain types of customers, the smart way to handle such displeasure is to keep your mouth shut, grin and bear it, and not take yourself or any asshole (like mine) too seriously. Otherwise, get out of the service business.

 

Antagonizing customers for any reason simply shows contempt. Maybe contempt works with sex slaves but a smart businessman better be sure his customer appreciates the bullying. Otherwise, you fail.

 

Tom Isern can NEVER out-bully me because I grew up a fat child in the 60's. I lost 100 pounds partly by growing 4-inches taller at puberty. (The dick got bigger, too.) My younger "fat" years have seen bullying like no other. (I went to a private, all-male school that excelled in sports. I did not.) I wasn't strong enough then to take on the bullies but all that has changed. Unlike others, anytime Vagina Isern wants a fight, I'm ready to step into the ring and slap that arrogant bitch silly! :-)

[Samai139]

RE: Good manners, promotional gifts, bussines choices...not the same thing.

 

>Good manners are reflected not in what we do, but in how we relate with those around us.

Your post was articulate, sensitive( in the right way), and "spot on." You are the kind of man I would enjoy traveling with, hanging with, and..........all the rest.

I'm glad to know there are some true gentlemen out there.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

RE: Follow-up on Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

 

When I started this thread a couple weeks ago it wasn't my primary intention to discuss whether it is or is not appropriate for an escort to order the most expensive items off a menu (and to a large extent the thread segued into that), and it certainly wasn't my intent to fuel an acrimonious feud between a couple of regular contributors to this board.

 

I was primarily interested in hearing of other clients' experiences with regards to how escorts treat them on longer engagements. Is the escort genuinely thoughtful and considerate, or is he at least somewhat discourteous and careless in his actions? Does the escort show concern for his clients' feelings or does he seem primarily interested in himself and by his actions show that he is not truly a professional, customer-oriented companion? On dates lasting a few days or longer this area can be very important.

 

After a recent less-than-satisfactory experience with a young, fairly inexperienced escort (some details of which I have not related), I have come to the conclusion that I need to do a better job of "screening" potential companions, so as to avoid a recurrence of this in the future.

 

I am also coming to the conclusion as a result of several experiences over the past year or so that one needs to be especially careful in hiring younger escorts (early 20's) for longer engagements. I don't like to generalize but it seems the younger guys are more apt to be self-centered and inconsiderate in their actions. Certainly they lack the experience and maturity of the 30-somethings.

 

Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this thread.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

< i tend to hire for weekends and fly escorts to my city. during

our time together, one escort often will pick up the lunch tab

or the movie tickets. another one will sometimes bring me a

small token gift (a new CD, book or DVD he thinks i might

like). another calls from time to time just to see how i am

doing or he drops me a post card from one of the cities he is

visiting. another escort will help with some small projects

around the house. it is these small jestures that say that i

am not self centered and i care about you; that is a hallmark

of courtesy and manners. also, it is good business. >

 

Your points are extremely well-taken, BigJoey. When a companion offers to do as little as purchase me a drink, it shows he has a sense of thoughtfulness. In my mind such considerate acts elevate him to "the next tier" of high-quality escorts. :-)

[augustman]

RE: Follow-up on Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

 

I will say I certainly have had my ups and downs with longer engagements. I have had exceptional outings young and more experienced and so-so outings with young and more experienced. The best in the longer outings have been Michael Brandon, Juan and Kevin, Jaimie A. and Patrick B., Alex and Rob, Orlando, Benjamin Nicholas, Mark of Central Ill, Danny Cruz, Eric of NY, Jay Ganymede and Vincent Michael.

 

I would gladly meet with any of these people again. I was treated like a guest with them. The conversation was always stimulating. They all cared and listened to my requests and the sex was very good to exceptional. They are all experienced in their field, a couple of them are retired now as in Michael Brandon and Mark of Ill. In the case of Jaimie and Patrick and Benjamin N., they treated me to a meal and have always returned follow up phone calls and emails, like I was a friend. What all of these guys had in common was when time came to say good bye, I felt appreciated.

 

As to a couple of young newbies out there to consider

Ethan Evans

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/index.asp?cmd=view&id=153394&Login=Ethan4YOU

Santos

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/index.asp?cmd=view&id=161160&Login=Santos_Marquez

 

They both know how to treat me on a longer engagements as well.

They both could not bend over backwards enough for me. Again I felt very appreciated and satisfied, if not left wanting more, at the end.

 

I will say to the not so good, I felt like a paycheck afterwards and I was there to service their wants and needs. Hotel bills filled with telephone, extravagant room service and several porn movie charges. Average to minimal sex received and not fulfilling as agreed ahead of time. I have changed my methodolgy to avoid the expense issue, but the rest screening can only do so much.

[RockHard]

RE: Follow-up on Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

 

"When I started this thread a couple weeks ago it wasn't my primary intention"

 

Intentions rarely matter on web forums. Much like real life, one can never control what someone else wishes to say.

 

"it certainly wasn't my intent to fuel an acrimonious feud"

 

Unless TrumCoupTommy is to Tom Isern what IceFireWizard is to Steven Draker, you didn't fuel anything, dear. It's silly to take anything said on the internet too seriously, unless you can be sure of the source. Threads have a life of their own. Forums are no place for control freaks, the insecure or worriers.

 

For the most part, members here are anonymous. Acrimony among them is harmless venting, which I happen to think is healthy. Acrimonious escorts are NOT healthy and nor are they smart businessmen. This board is unique: it features sellers and buyers. I admire the escorts who know how to respect the playing field and its customers. The escort/scam bags who exhibit no respect need to be tarred, feathered and bitch-slapped. It's all good. :-)

[TrumpCoupTommy]

RE: Good manners, promotional gifts, bussines choices...not the same thing.

 

Hey Juan,

 

Thanks for your input from last last week.

 

< When I started doing travel engagements I discovered, much to

my dismay that most of the people I travelled with would

totally forget that someone who goes to the gym every single

day for a couple of hours has a much faster metabolism than

someone who doesn't. If you are wanting a muscled, toned, trim

guy, it means that he eats many times a day, he eats leaner

than most people do, and it is very likely that he will eat a

lot. (Besides, some escorts are still teenagers slowly

adapting to their growing bodies... boys eat a lot!) >

 

I have no issue with this. If I have hired an individual such as yourself who needs to eat a lot, and regularly, in order to maintain his health and physique, then I would expect to pick up all the meal tabs, as that was our agreement. I think it would be appropriate for the escort in question to give advance notice that he has special meal/food requirements.

 

In regards to my recent experience, on our very first night together, my young companion and I went out for a big meal (let me tell you, this boy could eat) and afterwards we went immediately to the theatre whereupon the kid ordered several items of junk food, which I paid for. Some readers may disagree with me, but I felt this crossed the line. Applying "golden rule" thinking, had we traded places, I would have paid for these "extra-curricular" treats myself, as I would have felt it was the right thing to do.

 

Similarly, on subsequent nights, there were occasions in which, after a nice dinner (we did not eat frugally, either in terms of quantity, or price) and entertainment out, my companion wanted to go directly to a fast-food place, once again with yours truly picking up the tab. I also feel that this was over-the-top. Had I been in his shoes I would have offered to purchase the late-night snacks myself. This young man received several thousand dollars for our time together, and I don't feel his paying to satisfy his own late-night hunger is unreasonable.

 

All of this also comes under the heading of AGREEMENTS. In the future I will probably have prior discussions with potential companions to insure that we're both on the same page with regards paying for extra snack-type food.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

RE: Follow-up on Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

 

"... you didn't fuel anything, dear."

 

" dear?" lol

 

" Unless TrumCoupTommy is to Tom Isern what IceFireWizard is to Steven Draker,..."

 

Rest assured, it isn't :9

[TrumpCoupTommy]

RE: Follow-up on Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

 

Thanks for your helpful and intelligent post, augustman. I especially appreciate seeing the names of escorts you have had good experiences with. That's helpful.

[Lookin]

RE: Who's lookin' for a good time?

 

RockHard, if you’re using my quote to show that Tom is not a good escort, you’re picking the wrong guy to quote. Everything I see tells me that Tom is an outstanding escort, with many satisfied clients. On this website alone, he’s got ten out of ten positive reviews. Hard to improve on that.

 

My comments were made as one human being to another. I’m a believer in mutual respect, whether someone is a client, an escort, or both. I don’t happen to believe that a client should be shown respect just because he’s a client and has a spare $250 in his pocket. He should be shown respect (or not) because of the way he behaves. I think the exact same thing is true for an escort.

 

The original poster hooked up with an escort who didn’t show him respect, either as a client or as a human being. The escort was a taker and not a giver. TrumpCoupTommy now intends to sort out the respect issue up front, and make sure he’s with a guy who will treat Tommy as well as Tommy treats him. In my opinion, that’s a formula for a good time. Anything else is a bad date.

 

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[RockHard]

RE: Who's lookin' for a good time?

 

"RockHard, if you’re using my quote to show that Tom is not a good escort, you’re picking the wrong guy to quote."

 

Lookin, your quote was used to make a point about professional behavior. The point can apply to any escort, new or seasoned, and that's the reason I used it.

 

I'm not exactly sure how I would define "good escort" but I sure as hell know my money won't be going into Isern's pocket. Any escort who displays contempt for the customer is a scumbag loser as far as I'm concerned. My standards are high and I refuse to lower them. I'm no slave and I don't enjoy masochists. There are just too many great escorts out there who truly know the definition of manners and courtesy. Isern does NOT stand among them.

 

Considering your stand in the Snickers commercial debate, Lookin, I'm surprised by your "outstanding escort" analysis. Maybe rose-colored tri-focals are skewing "everything you see." Or maybe you have a soft spot for all escorts. Whatever.

 

Clearly, Lookin, we DON'T see the same thing and I've always said there's a customer out there for every escort, well-mannered or not. To each his own.

 

I stand by my opinion of Tom Isern's unprofessional behavior on this board and this will end my contribution on this thread. :-)