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Absolutely. PRICE does not equal VALUE. We can pay more, just not for egos, but rather for more time, assets, skill, and/or experience.

When I replied to the guy who quoted me the numbers in my OP, that I was not interested, he immediately replied: "What are your rates?". Such a weird, transactional, and needy question; and just the confirmation that he was just trying to make some extra bucks out of me, not that he firmly thought the quoted numbers corresponded to the true value of his service.

Wait, I'm 100% with @tenderloin. In my experience model looks = arrogance and lackluster performance. I've already paid $300 for rough diamonds and the experience has been just as good, and in some cases even better. I prefer the blue-collar/next-door type rated 5-star few reviews, than the model rated 4.7-star 100 reviews, from which 10-20% are really bad.

I know it's more in Canadian dollars but I'm not very familiar with the NYC market. I was also unaware if COVID affected NYC rates, hence my OP.

width=23pxhttps://media1.tenor.com/images/1c108108cd78b9e73323358179d2bbd3/tenor.gif?itemid=8664382[/img] As if his nickname alone wasn't enough RED FLAG! I had a similar experience. He first tries to sell videos/underwear and sets an unrealistic rate to meet in person. He has no intention of traveling to any of the cities in his ad, just using them to track some fools to buy videos. Unless someone really met him, he might be an out-of-shape guy selling videos and dirty underwear, behind a computer in Canada. And yes, all his 3 RM reviewers' client profiles were created just this year and have similar spelling with ALL CAPS.

Good call on me, he's Nigerian lol: http://www.machofucker.com/freepreview/performer.php?performer=79 And good call on you, it's a Machofucker video - Full Clip: http://www.xvideos.com/video42489203/killah_kills_the_spaniard

It looks like a trip to Africa (he looks Nigerian) or the Caribbean. Never been but I've heard that Jamaica is famous for its straight black tops.

Most of his reviewer client profiles were created years before his, so legit. Good for him that he can find himself in a position where he can pick his clients. I looked up some and there are average older guys too. Perhaps he wants to be romanced/enamored?

What is a good indicator that a provider is 'popular' or 'in-demand', so it would make sense to pay $350-$400?

width=335pxhttps://media.tenor.com/images/199a22020f12cab145651395c3eb3c49/tenor.gif[/img] Ageism is not strange to the gay community. Some of us have been reluctant to embrace our Daddy identity for long, until that enlightening event happens and we finally say it: Yes, I'm a DADDY! This is my story: One night I received this message on Grinder. It was a 20something Latin Top, looking for an older guy (me in my late 40s) to realize his Daddy fantasy. Besides sex, he was looking to be pampered and looked after for the night (no money involved). For the first hour, I couldn't stop feeling as if I was just an old guy being 'used'. 4 hours later, well-f*cked and spooning in bed, I said: F*ck it, if this is being a Daddy, I'll go with it!

Thank you, I was thinking: WOW! These providers must be really good and NYC become hyper-expensive with COVID. It's good to always have good advice at hand in this forum. It hasn't been strange to see in this forum providers quoting $400-$600 etc. So, I was already getting sad thinking that my trip to NYC it was going out of hand due to budgetary restrictions.

I think most bodybuilders being a unique type of provider have a reliable client portfolio. I don't have any doubts many continued seeing few frequent clients even in COVID harshest times. Not strange that many of them have an in-house gym at home so not difficult to stay in shape. Also, different from natural muscles, some type of steroids are known for providing 'keeper-gains'.

When this Pandemic is over, I'm thinking of crossing the border and head to NYC to try the hunks over there. I know NYC is one of the most expensive cities and most competitive markets. Are these rates the new standard? I've been receiving similar quotes from different providers. 350 1 hr 650 2 hr 900 3 hr The guy who sent these numbers closed his message by saying: "pretty reasonable right?" I didn't even dare to ask about O.N. If the above is on the higher-end, what are the average or regular rates in NYC anyway?

Awesome! Eat it after a good fuck and tell me what it feels like ?

I would like to know about this. Regular rate with DIY is $160. How much is the extra charge for full H.E. $200? What if I ask to turn around so he can massage my front side? Do I get to touch the goods or blow him at least?

Yes, it's like some sort of vicious circle. They use Social Media to spread their lies and the people that are mostly engaged in their phones and social media all day happen to be young people as well.

Probably his supervisor/manager thinks alike. Here there are strict measures in EVERY commercial space, from the biggest supermarket to the smallest convenience store.

What Bill Maher said makes sense: Millennials are the workforce and consumers' market that will keep the economy going. The problem is not so much that they are not wearing a mask in public places. Today on my way to my COVID test I paid attention and most don't. The problem is that they are not wearing a mask and on top of that they attend massive gatherings / overnight parties, unprotected. And they even dare to challenge the authorities (arguing with the cops in the video) just because they feel the urgent need of having fun.

Luckily for most of us, at least in Canada, people opposed to recommendations of health care authorities are the minority. Today I went for a COVID test and I was pleased to see at least 100 people waiting in line to take their test. That was just 1 testing center of many that our government has put in place throughout the Toronto Metropolitan Area. During my 2 hrs waiting in line there was ONLY 1 guy who showed up with a sign that said COVID = HOAX, and asking people to spit at him. People just looked at him, either with disapproval or compassion, and he was quickly taken away by security staff.

Sent you a DM

I feel the same

And that is ok. The main take away is to always communicate to avoid bad experiences, etiher before or during the in person meeting, because as you, some providers have had bad experiences too. The objective is that both, provider and client, have a good time.

Yes, that's the general consensus. NEVER send electronic money in advance as a booking fee or full deposit, that's more likely a scam. All the rest, as for when to pay when the meeting actually happens, either on arrival or when leaving, can be talked/communicated.

Hi, I noticed you posted twice and what you wrote is causing confusion on this thread. FOR CLARIFICATION: this thread is about donation after a session or on arrival, not upfront. On Arrival: when the client and the provider actually meet, and donation is made before the start of the session. Upfront: when the provider asks for a full/partial deposit before the meeting. Often leads to a scam. Donation upfront has been widely discussed in this forum and not recommended. Donation on arrival is a completely different concept. The objective of this thread is to provide best practices for both providers and clients, not to create division.

Yes, I've been told these stores by some providers. I'm a premium client on RM so I find providers tend to trust me. In the same way, I tend to trust providers with a good reputation on RM, or on this forum. If anyone has asked for money on arrival I just say "it's right there" (pointing to the table). They just look at it and smile while I extend an inviting arm asking them to join me in bed ?