No doubt with that MscleLovr. However he also implied that he was unusual in that he did not even know how to drive (nor do I). Most people (especially straight men) at least seem to know how to drive but given their particular circumstances do not do so, e.g., as you mention great public transportation or having their license taken away because of a court order. I can't because of epilepsy but I think the world is a much better place that I do not. I wonder if the European school systems require students to take classes to learn how to drive as they at least used to require. I think that the whole system is changed now to reduce costs.