In DC

Following up on my last message.  There was some back and forth with JC at https://www.amassagewellness.com/ and it eventually came out that he now works at Spa Riverside, your basic Korean bathhouse.  So no privacy for your massage and no prostate exams.  Plus you get to pay an entrance fee.  I declined.  But I did come across some new information about a new place in Alexandria that I'm going to check out this weekend.  Sahara M4M spa.  https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bts/d/alexandria-m4m-body-work-available-in/7360466639.html  Doubt it's anything fancy, but they responded to texts and were good about setting up an appointment for me.  We shall see.

Following up on my last message.  There was some back and forth with JC at https://www.amassagewellness.com/ and it eventually came out that he now works at Spa Riverside, your basic Korean bathhouse.  So no privacy for your massage and no prostate exams.  Plus you get to pay an entrance fee.  I declined.  But I did come across some new information about a new place in Alexandria that I'm going to check out this weekend.  Sahara M4M spa.  https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bts/d/alexandria-m4m-body-work-available-in/7360466639.html  Doubt it's anything fancy, but they responded to texts and were good about setting up an appointment for me.  We shall see.

Following up on my last message.  There was some back and forth with JC at https://www.amassagewellness.com/ and it eventually came out that he now works at Spa Riverside, your basic Korean bathhouse.  So no privacy for your massage and no prostate exams.  Plus you get to pay an entrance fee.  I declined.  But I did come across some new information about a new place in Alexandria that I'm going to check out this weekend.  Sahara M4M spa.  https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bts/d/alexandria-m4m-body-work-available-in/7360466639.html  Doubt it's anything fancy, but they responded to texts and were good about setting up an appointment for me.  We shall see.

One of my worst massage experiences ever (he and Isaac in DC are neck and neck). There's a reason he doesn't show his face, and those pics are definitely very dated. I don't know why I agreed to the massage (my double take on seeing him was not subtle), nor why I stayed in the first place, but when he tried to make it sensual (basic HE - I could not have been less turned on), I demurred and he reluctantly went back to performing his "massage" duties for another 10 excruciating minutes. I gave him a rather scathing review on either masseurfinder or massagem4m (this was 2-3 years ago), but it never got posted. I guess so-called "premium" masseurs get the right of censorship... And yes, I know I overuse parentheticals.
 
TL/DR: No. Just no.

Way out of line? Where on the line is that? And whose line is it? From what I hear from fellow customers, I don't think "way out of line" is true. I agree no one should "expect" anything other than some form of massage. However, the reality is many of us get more than we expected, much more, depending, and most of us are pleased with that, whether it cost extra or not.
 

Is there a general, universal understanding? I don't think there is. Looks and chemistry (and a whole lot of other details) play a huge role in these matters, and there is nothing general or universal about that. Sensual massage is subject to interpretation and mood, mostly that of the MT. Some visits are more rewarding than others, even with the same guy. Human beings are providing the service, and many of them can be complicated on any given day. So, again no, I don't think there is a general, universal understanding of how this is supposed to work.

I hope that this doesn't become a "thing" where we all veer off topic and attack each other's personal choices, but:
My personal feelings are that if you advertise as being in DC, you should actually be in DC, not the "DMV" or "inside the Beltway." Again, this is me thing. I don't have a car and find getting to that part of MD to be a pain in the ass.
W/r/t my "bonus" comment, it was meant to be sarcastic. Again, these are only my personal feelings, but I generally dislike masseurs who ask for pictures (unless they're really hot, in which case I'm shallow enough to cut them some slack), especially if they ask for pictures before any other discussion. (Of course, if this were Grindr or Scruff, I'd share pics immediately.)
FYI, I did follow up with him without sending a pic - he's fine with naked, mutual touch and release. Release raises the price to $150. He also offered "mutual release" for $200, which I think means he's DTF? Not sure, but he did let me know his "tool is massive." I declined.

He is the default MALE THERAPIST weekday afternoons starting at 5 if you want to book online.

This is a fucking embarrassment of a criticism in a gay thread in 2019. Get it together guys.

One of my worst massage experiences ever (he and Isaac in DC are neck and neck). There's a reason he doesn't show his face, and those pics are definitely very dated. I don't know why I agreed to the massage (my double take on seeing him was not subtle), nor why I stayed in the first place, but when he tried to make it sensual (basic HE - I could not have been less turned on), I demurred and he reluctantly went back to performing his "massage" duties for another 10 excruciating minutes. I gave him a rather scathing review on either masseurfinder or massagem4m (this was 2-3 years ago), but it never got posted. I guess so-called "premium" masseurs get the right of censorship... And yes, I know I overuse parentheticals.
 
TL/DR: No. Just no.

If you join this forum, don’t spam threads putting down other masseurs to advertise yourself. You’ll get the opposite effect.

This isn't helpful.