DFdub

here… and here.. and no info but here too…

Besides scheduling discussion, has anyone actually seen him?

It would seem awfully elitist / white savior complex of us to assume all day laborers are one paid blowjob away from losing survival and that we must protect their virtue because they can't themselves. Or, that day laborers would not be capable of choice when posed with ... the offer of a choice. My brother-in-law worked as a day laborer occasionally for a couple years back in the housing bust to make ends meet because the contractors for whom he did construction jobs (1099-based) didn't have enough regular work. A coworker's deadbeat ex-husband worked exclusively as a day laborer to avoid wage garnishment for back child support. But they're both white and American so did they still have a choice? 🤔 I'm not sure how that fits into any day laborer stereotype assumptions. Getting back to upsells though - I tend to doubt all clients are self-indulgent hedonists with too much spare cash. I mean, guilty here 🤣 but still. There are lots of clients that are socially awkward or physically unattractive, etc that would be just as unable to decline rationally if encountering a dominant, sexy hot provider aggressively upselling. Imagine someone who saves to hire twice a year desperately seeking physical contact and blinded by passion who forks over his utility money caught in the moment. I'm just saying that we should avoid inserting our biases vs being open to possibilities. Not all clients are privileged. Not all day laborers are victims of society who need saving. Not all providers are desperately forced into this work (which is what that implies). Not all hiring events put the client in the position of power.

I am intrigued by the juxtaposition of members who are both: (a) commenting here that upselling by providers mid-massage is tacky/weird but potentially reasonable or just inconvenient; while also (b) commenting with emotionally charged language in Hiring Day Laborers that even asking day laborers if they are willing to do sex work is inherently exploitative/immoral/despicable. Wondering how the scenarios are materially different from a power imbalance perspective but are not regarded as equal offenses. Provider advertises massage and not additional services. Let's assume Client finds provider sexy (why else hire?) so likely Provider more physically attractive in some way/in desired shape for Client preference - thus creating a power imbalance tilted to the Provider. In the middle of service, Provider offers additional options for an upsell to the Client. Client may now be in a compromised position and Provider likely hopes that Client has diminished decision-making capacity - even more power imbalance for Provider. That's why only offered mid-service, after all. And yet, not considered exploitative or predatory or beyond wrong - just icky or a buzz kill. Provider waiting for Client to be most vulnerable to offer something Client might not normally do by asking him if he wants more at a vulnerable moment. Client sees a day laborer looking for work. Client says, "Hey, you're cute. Want to spend an hour in my hotel for $300?" Day laborer who may be in a compromised financial position chooses to say "yes" or "no" based on his comfort level and situation. That sounds like substantially the same scenario, but is somehow egregiously exploitative (as if hiring young guys with RM ads who does not enjoy it but this ended up the best work he can get, or hiring immigrant providers in same financial situation but an ad is somehow not exploitative using the same scale). Taking advantage of people who are not poor while they are sexually aroused and might not be otherwise comfortable spending as much money is a substantially similar action. What if the Client on the table cannot resist the hot Provider and agrees to give his last $200 for the week? I absolutely agree that propositioning day laborers seems tacky. And so do upsells mid-service. In neither case do I think giving an adult man a choice is inherently exploitative or coercive. But if it is, I struggle with why it is not for both scenarios where a power imbalance of some sort that might lead a person to make a decision they would not otherwise. 🤷🏻‍♂️

&#039 is how an apostrophe is encoded in HTML so should always be read as a typo for '. Typically, shows up like this when someone is copy/pasting vs actually typing the text out. Sometimes, occurs as a technical bug in the UI, etc while rendering what was typed though. In this case, I place equal odds on the provider copy/pasting as I do on buggy RM ad logic. 🤣

Def agree looks like two guys. Willing to bet the second one bottoms based on his pics. 🤣 As to orig guy for thread FelippeBrazil: Scheduled once. 20 mins before appt, I texted to confirm and for room number. Said he was dealing with lost luggage at airport and couldn't make it (had been in same town as me 3-4 days already FWIW). When I couldn't reschedule for 2 hrs later, he tried to get me to see his traveling partner (JonathanBrazil). Declined the swap and then no reply to subsequent attempts.

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General delivery does NOT work for identification requirements when opening a financial account under PATRIOT Act. Banks are required to obtain a physical address of the person (not just a mailing address for the account) under Customer Identification Program requirements. APO are accepted but that would be for military. They could always use the address of next of kin, but would need proof so unlikely not a hurdle for the homeless population in question. We are a free country. But receiving mail and satisfying identification requirements of the Bank Secrecy Act to combat terrorism are two very different things. A physical address is required to assist with identifying the human, not for sending monthly statements. Put down either your flag or your bald eagle and google it. 🤣

You cannot in the US. The PATRIOT Act prohibits it. You must have a physical address. Prepaid cards through the processing networks are technically a type of debit card, not a credit card (i.e., issued a revolving line of credit). There are different laws/regulations that govern prepaid cards than those for credit cards. Regardless, I suspect the sites only require a valid payment method - whether a credit card, a debit card or a prepaid card through a network they accept (e.g., Amex, Visa, MasterCard).

Very easily. Pre-paid phone bought with cash. Buy service plan card with cash (up to a year at a time). You can get a smartphone for $100 or less and service including data as low as $10-$15 a month. Use lots of public Wifi. Advertising with a prepaid Visa. Doubt the sites care how often you change the card number as long as it goes through.

https://rent.men/LatinoBoyxx

Read through this thread and the comment will make sense. No one here has actually successfully met him. Several have scheduled only to be rescheduled or deferred or be told travel plans changed, etc.

Still great value. Second massage was better and focused on high tension areas. Still excells at customer svc. 😉

No info on the prior thread either, but looks like he added another 'h' to his already h-laden moniker. 😁

I’m a millennial. I work in HR at a very progressive, DEI-forward corporation. We’d tell you there is nothing inappropriate with the language and close the case. Agreed that many, many things from days past are not workplace appropriate, but this ain’t that. Just because a person interprets certain wording as personally cringey does not make it inappropriate. I definitely see a lot of people older and younger and same age as me constantly conflating “I don’t care for this” with “this is objectively offensive and wrong”; it’s a huge topic of conversation with my other young, millennial HR colleagues. 🙂 I personally find hyper-literalism to defend enforcement of personal wordsmithing choices to be cringey. But, to each their own. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Perhaps. Agree that context is king. (Common usage, not a pro-monarchy stance 😉). Also agree that things uttered across sheets are often ill-advised across the dinner table. That said, adding racially-charged slurs to the mix seems quite an escalation and significant scope creep from a discussion on terms of affection in sexual/ romantic context. Referring to black men as “boy” is really just a euphemism for much more egregious words intended to place them as lesser overall societally. One could easily demonstrate this as consensus among the target population too (i.e. black men). But, I am open to objective evidence demonstrating that twinkish 18-24 yo men as consensus are offended by being called “boys”. My personal experience is quite the opposite though. As to “girl” - I regularly hear men refer to female partners as “my girl” and have never thought “he’s a paedo/hebo”. To my ear, “my woman” strikes as more red-flaggish because it sounds possessive while “my girl” rather is accepted commonly to convey affection. What of “girl”-friend and “boy”-friend widely accepted as valid for adults too? Further, the wide usage of “my girl” and logic described for “boy” usage implications might suggest straight men also mindlessly reinforce the idea that that they value being silly, vapidity, ageism, mindless nights out, and valuing skin tone. Interesting position to contemplate. Consider this: I refer to my 30yo female partner to my 35yo male close co-workers by saying, “Heading out early boys. Taking my girl out tonight. I like to spoil my baby every now and then.” Are these 3 references icky/ cringey/ sexualizing children? Or are they all 3 commonly understood ways to simply convey affection? I posit the latter. As to seniors - I am not bothered by it but have not experienced “sweetie” or “dear” illiciting strong negative reaction from seniors. But, alas, I am a Southerner and we regularly call absolutely everyone “sweetie” or “dear” without insult taken (except to our Yankee friends of course 😉). But - a man who calls all women and only women “dear” or “honey” is probably guilty of a micro-aggression meant to diminish their stature comparatively to his own (reinforced by not doing similar with all other men). Again, intent and context should ideally prevail over hyper-literalism - including relevant cultural norms. Great discussion 🤓 particularly when we focus on sharing ideas/thoughts and avoid unnecessarily inflammatory language with thinly veiled insults to those with the counter-perspective (e.g. “50yo men calling 20yo lovers ‘boys’ sound like paedos/hebos… I mean, to me, anyway”). I can feel the admins about to remind us the thread is getting far afield from the topic though. 🤣

Absolutely agree with the sentiment for “boy” in contexts intending paedophilia/hebophilia role-play but… it seems questionable to always force the word into that box. Ever called a lover “baby”? What of a 25yo man calling his 50yo lover “daddy”? Is “loverboy” always in the boy-cringe category? What about “sweetie” or “cutie” in sexual context even though frequently pet names for children? I say I’m going out with the “boys” sometimes when referring to a night out with males friends in mid-30s to 60s. My point is, if the person saying “boy” truly means a playful word applied only to legal adults, perhaps any cringe should the responsibility of the listener not the speaker. Or, should we purge all word usage where literal meaning would be wildly different and abhorrent compared to informal common usage? Just something to think about.

You know what... I didn't look closely enough. The new pics are not the spouse so must be the friend that's being offered. I pulled up the pics they text to doublecheck. Sorry for bad info. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Maybe Ben is the taller one. Only saying Ian is the taller one based earlier comments here tha said the guy who does upper body is Ian. They never gave their names in person. Profile used to say Ian. Changed to Ben a few months ago. Same MF number; same pics. Always only the one guy in profile pics before this swap out. I am about 6'. One was taller than me; one was shorter. I've really no idea which is which name though. 🤷🏻‍♂️ The guy in the white T-shirt that's massaging someone in the second to last current pic is definitely the taller one. He's the one that is always in the profile pics and the one I find very hot. He's the one that did upper body/stayed the whole time/executed the HE (though both were there and interactive at the end).

The new pics swapped out on the profile are Ben, the partner. He was only in for maybe 20 mins of the tandem massage. Pics are dated though and he is not very tall FWIW. Not sure about other guy.

Yes, Money Up Front - as soon as you arrive. I did get the sense it might be different if not my first visit. Only time I have done MUF since others get burned often with diminished service, but he still gave it his all. 😁 Interesting nice guy too beyond the smokin body. I did not pay the deposit. I wanted two days out, so I just told him the time I wanted as FYI and that I'd text that morning to see if he was available. If he wasn't, we would try next time we met up. He could plan as he chose. He ended up being available.

Offers 4-hand with his partner Jozef. https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/10266/

The pics are not recent. Pic 3/8 is closest absent the AI probably.

Yeah, definitely likes fees for pre-service services. Asks for deposit to schedule beyond same day. Started sweet, went bold on questions quick, was a bit sassy early msgs. Requested MUF when I arrived, only time I did. Did not impact service. Great full body massage, on bed. Changed into a tumble halfway, and session did not end after some components finished. Nice guy if you get more direct cultures. Will repeat next time we overlap travel.

In Miami where his home base is currently listed, or in Dallas where he is headed soon, or in NYC where he has been before, or anywhere anyone may have experienced the provider at the link given / with the unique moniker listed 🤣

Well what do we have here…. https://rent.men/Dayanboys Anyone with experience?