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It looks to me like they have the option to exclude those modifiers. From the sound of his ad, my gut is telling me he is serious about massage. I'm guessing no HE, or anything like that. Not much nudity in the photos. But can't know for sure until someone visits with him, or has a conversation.

You're probably in the wrong place. Seems a little naive to me. I've never been to one of these Asian "spa" places, but if the guys are doing HE, and charging for it, via tip or otherwise, it's illegal. If the illegal activity is as blatant as described in some of these threads, then I would suspect that owner pressure is behind it. Sounds like an old-fashioned brothel experience disguised as a spa, and those places have always been run mafia style. This tipping business should not be thought of or compared to traditional spa tipping. This 40-100% upsell is a whole other animal. I would imagine there is some kind of punishment if the HE service fails to be acquired. That might explain why the massuer turns unhappy immediately when his tip list is rejected.

I never quite get this approach. Couldn't he decide? Headless torso is bad enough, but 13? Some trainers are great massage therapists. I've had a few. I wonder why he conceals his face. Nothing wrong with being a trainer and a massage therapist. (Unless he's big on the HE, then I understand.) I am curious to know more. Trainers usually give strong massages, because they know what the muscles need. I wonder if he'll provide a face pic?

I don't believe it. NYC has over 100,000 hotel rooms, with visiting masseurs by the hour. I've never done a survey. Are you talking licensed professionals or HE acrobats? All I can speak to is my own experience, and I've had at least 100 massages in my apartment in 40 years, probably more. Maybe only 10% came with no table, and those were during a time I hired HE types. It is easy info to find out, you simply ask before booking the client.

His opening salvo is Hi Papi? Boner killer.

He looks like someone I would welcome in a gym environment, minus a warm, welcoming smile. He looks like a sports massage therapist who takes his work seriously. Except, he doesn't own his own table? WTF. How many clients in NYC own their own table? I wish I had that luxury of space. I can't imagine meeting with this guy in my bed. It's almost impossible for me to take bed massages seriously, unless you're in a hospital and can't get out of bed. A serious massage provider is not going to ruin his body, or put his body muscles at risk, by doing bed massages. Give us a break. If you have extreme talent, which the OP implies, but no table, then you're not serious, or worse, you're broke. You're not committed. You're not professional. If he had a table, if he had a license (or could prove his training), I would try him out. Otherwise, no go.

According to his rentmen ad, he is barely offering much more. Not sure I would ever hire an escort for a boyfriend experience. He is good looking, and who wouldn't want those lips kissing you. The photos are a bit deceiving. He's only 5'7", and a Scorpion. I don't think my sign is compatible with his, LOL. I know it's unfair, but guys with a Fire Island photo turn me off. I instantly think drugs, attitude, and careless sex. Such a beautiful place with an ugly side. But that's a negative stereotype and not fair. Without more people praising his talent as a masseur, it's got to be a pass.

Too bad he's probably not licensed. I'd book him in a minute. I like that bad boy look.

Thank you for sharing that. Good to know. On to the next one.

I got the same quote, but I'm waiting to hear about (is there a) table, and does he have a license. My gut is telling me I'm not going to hear. If there is a decent table and he is trained, it would be difficult for me to resist a try-out with him. I like his look, and the reviews claim he's a nice guy. If he was trained in a foreign country, I would love to see what that experience is like.

I knew they valued the Abhyanga massage (prostate and balls). There are a few videos on YouTube, one with a TV journalist, who ventured into this service and recorded their reactions. I did not know that full release was accepted, and I question whether that is factual.

Oops, I missed that. Wow, I need to be more careful. How un-woke of me. Yikes. A bit too over the top for me. Don't like the tattoos. The arms look odd and over pumped. The grooming is way too manicured. Not sexy. Photoshop is an understatement. This guy is full-on CGI.

I watch ASMR Massage videos from an Indian guy on YouTube. Some of the Indian muscle men who act as clients are super hot. A guy named Firoz is a favorite. YouTube can't show much, but sometimes Firoz gets erect in his underwear. This guy reminds me of the clients who participate. His ad says he has a partner. Would love to see what he looks like. The Indian culture loves massage, so I would anticipate a great experience, until otherwise noted.

He's only 5'5", but damn he's tight and sexy. Love his abs and his nipples. Great smile, too. Would love to hear if anyone has experience.

I definitely did not read that in his ad. Since I make it clear I'm not looking to make a porn video, that detail was missing from our communication. I'm glad to hear he's honest about with others when asked. It's good to know that with this one, you have to go fishing. If you're looking for HE, be prepared to send a photo. I wonder what he does when the client who shows up is not the man in the photo? 😱

From his ad: I do authentic Ayurvedic rejuvention and create safe space for queer centered healing. I don't think he has much interest HE type massage work (unless, perhaps, if the guy on the table is hot, hot, hot). Given that, he probably shouldn't be posting naked photos of himself, especially to a gay audience. Even shirtless, the guy is sending the wrong message. There is nothing wrong with providing a specific kind of bodywork, so be upfront about it. If you're not selling sex, then all your photos should be clothing on, IMO. I don't trust these guys who wish to play dupe-bate.

I'm assuming this is a real thing. I have had terrific massages from Asian providers, but somehow I managed to avoid evidence of it. The last thing I want to be involved in or support is any kind of work manipulation. The Asian guys whom I've had were all independent, or worked in a gym/spa. I assume if the provider has a NY license, he's not part of some notorious group. Am I wrong? How do we know what to look for?

Thank you for the info. MrFrando is also hot, with a great ass. But he has an escort ad on rentmen. Not sure I want to employ an escort for massage. I've never done that before. Do these young guys really know what they are doing? Or is the work all about HE?

I care more about the touch being too light on a boyish type. I don't need a buff body on the provider.

Julian's profile just popped up on my "feature" screen. I had not seen it before. He's only 26, but claims 6 years experience. He offers a lot of photos. He says he's a small guy. At 5'5" that's true, but I wonder if he's talking about something else. He also says he can partner for 4-hands service. Has no one tried him? He looks too good to be true.

Andrew seems to have some serious arms, which can indicate a strong and firm pressure. I'm glad you brought this thread up. It is fun and helpful. Wish we had a NYC list. Chemistry is everything, but at my age, a great massage trumps all the play. I still love and appreciate a great tease. Let's be naked. Massage me all over. Know how to work feet and ass. Smother me with your clean stink. Take my body to a new, invigorating place. I don't touch unless invited, and even then, I try not to distract the therapist from his work. I like the fantasy of surrender, and let a talented man do his thing. I enjoy when the therapist is equally fulfilled after our session is over. Many therapists are good at control, and they appreciate a customer who surrenders to it.

I thought so, but I think it's quite old, before they slapped their logo on everything. The client is super hot, but what's the point of getting him hard while seated, releasing his cock from his shorts, and lying him on the table with his shorts still on? I hate it when porn is this stupid.

I believe NY State law requires one-party consent. There are other states that require two-party consent. I could be wrong, but I've been told by lawyers that it is easier for law enforcement to get permission to record cell phones. At any rate, I was trying to make a point about taking security for granted, and choosing less-smart choices. IMO, texting is less smart. Not an overreaction at all. If a provider says "text-only" in his ad, is it smart to assume a voice message will be welcomed? I don't think so. But go ahead and try. By obstacle course, I was referring to the choices available for an obnoxious provider (impatient, entitled, and unreasonable) to avoid dealing with or screening a new customer. I welcome incalls and outcalls, as long as you have a table that can fit my body. When I was younger, I welcomed massage on the bed, but I can't do that anymore. In 30+ years of hiring, I've never been canceled, and I've never canceled. If I did have to cancel (emergency only), especially at the last minute, I am the type of customer who would insist on paying for the appointment lost. That's how I define a great customer.

Yes, a determined, potential customer can jump through the various hoops to try to talk with you on a phone call. However, I wouldn't call that customer friendly. I call that an obstacle course of avoidance. Simon, I don't know any of these obnoxious customers you describe. I certainly don't behave this way. Your words, not mine. Those are serious judgment calls for a new client you don't know and have barely met. Personally, I try to find a provider who is not so quick to judge, or misjudge me. Any provider who uses the term "screen out" so casually would be a red flag for me. What were you saying about impatient, entitled, and unreasonable? Perceptions work both ways.

New customer calls can't be announced in advance. They are mostly spontaneous. If a provider requires expectation, you risk losing the opportunity to meet a new client. As a general rule, new customers don't want to work too hard to get a service, not until they know the value of that service, and even then there are limits to what inconveniences they will tolerate. Customer rudeness and greed is an issue in the HE business, but how do you see these clients in order to avoid them? Do they wear a sign on their forehead? When you deny everyone the ability to call and speak directly, it assumes everyone is one of these obnoxious customers. Not good. Time is a 2-way street. I want mine respected, too. Without a happy customer, providers don't get paid.