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LA market starts at 350/hr. It’s one of a handful of places that is more expensive than most metros hovering around 300 average for any guy, regardless of looks, experience, or performance/reputation. Not sure about Ubers or other expenses, but purely for the provider’s hourly service charge, LA has been at 350 for at least a few years. I would not expect this particular market to fall downward, as it is a large metro with many a monied man willing to spend as much, if not more. Maybe some of the guys who were over pricing in recent years will either lower their fees or exit the industry. Those of us charging a reasonable rate aren’t changing. Some I know are considering raising their prices. Hate to break it to you gents, but prices are not exactly plummeting.

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It is. I wouldn’t sweat it. Enjoy the consensual company of men. LE has more important things to pursue.

Something to keep in mind when oversimplifying numbers like this into a table is upcharges. Some of these masseurs provide therapeutic only service under their base rates, but offer sensual and/or erotic upgrades for an upcharge (nudity, mutual touch, HE, sometimes more), while others offer similar services inclusive in their base pricing. Michael, for example, charges (in my opinion) a fair rate for good quality therapeutic only work (135/hr), but you would need to add $50 for mutual nude, and an ending you might want/expect many others to provide under their base pricing. That actually makes it 185/hr in this example. While the “YMMV” concept applies for many providers who do not explicitly upcharge, some of those that do break out upcharges end up being more than the base rate of the guys that include all (or sometimes more) than what the other guys’ upcharges cover. It’s not all apples to apples when you take this factor into account. Of course there are other factors to consider when evaluating the overall value and in particular the value to the individual based on his preferences. However, we can quantify some basic objective things like what is included and for how much total fee for an hour session. If you want to plug a bunch of masseurs into a table and compare them fairly to get an average, you need to adjust for upcharges first. I haven’t seen everyone on the list, so you guys will have to make suggestions to improve the quality of @7829V ‘s quick analysis. Some of these rates may need adjusting, some may not.

I echo the many sound advice comments so far, but since what you’re looking for is relatively quite low risk, I recommend PrEP and DoxyPEP. PrEP has no serious side effects or negative health consequences for most people. Your doctor will monitor your tests to confirm whether PrEP is safe for you to take. Condoms won’t help you much because almost no men who have sex with men use condoms for oral sex or frottage. Condoms are a great idea for anal sex, though. All of the following you will find out at a sexual health clinic or by seeing your doctor, so you don’t have to take my word for it. For those of you not visiting health clinics or just curious, I am including a bit more detailed discussion to clarify some of the finer points brought up only in passing so far. Minor correction in terminology. DoxyPrEP is not a thing. PEP stands for post exposure prophylaxis, not to be confused with PrEP (pre-exposure prophylaxis) which is used for HIV. DoxyPEP is for sexually transmitted bacterial infections. You don’t take DoxyPEP before (ie pre-), for reasons @BeamerBikes explained related to how the medication works, but also because you may not, for whatever reason end up proceeding with sexual contact after you take the pills. Your provider or hookup may flake. You may decide in the moment that you don’t want to proceed, or you end up not having direct contact… but it’s too late now because you’re already on antibiotics whether you have reason to be or not. It’s bad for your overall health and immune system to frequently be on antibiotics. Not only does this accelerate antibiotic resistance for you and for the greater population, but it makes your body more susceptible to all kinds of infections besides the sexually transmitted ones. I mention this to help you determine if DoxyPEP is right for you. I am not a doctor so take this with a grain of salt and talk to your actual doctor about it, but I will suggest that DoxyPEP is not a great solution for people seeking frequent encounters such as daily or weekly and also wanting to take the medication every time they have sexual contact. Even monthly encounters can be problematic because it takes a while for your system to fully reset after a round of any antibiotic, maybe a week or sometimes more every time. Taking DoxyPEP on perhaps a monthly frequency means that your body is operating in a suboptimal state for at least one out of every four weeks. If you’re having contact on a weekly basis and taking DoxyPEP every time, that means your body is perpetually in an suboptimal state. Some people can’t take DoxyPEP at all because they are immunocompromised or have some other health condition. Your doctor will advise you based on your medical history. DoxyPEP is great for otherwise healthy people having less frequent encounters, like every few months, twice a year, etc, but also for those who have more frequent encounters but use DoxyPEP more judiciously rather than every time. For example, when seeing partners you believe are particularly higher risk for whatever reason. Or when a partner tells you after the fact that they tested positive for an STI and you are still in the window of time for which taking DoxyPEP is likely to prevent an infection. Or when having contact with multiple people over a short period. Think: bathhouse visits, cumdump situations (as a bottom OR top, because tops are exposed to a lot of other people’s cum) bukkake, or multiple separate encounters in a 24 hr period. These are higher risk because of the sheer number of points of contact and would be good times to use DoxyPEP, to reduce your risk of any one of these points of contact resulting in an infection. For the person having low risk sexual contact such as oral sex with one partner every week or two, I don’t see as much benefit for them in taking DoxyPEP every time. The drawbacks of chronic antibiotic use (in my layman’s opinion) outweigh the marginal benefit of reducing your (already low) risk of getting bacterial STIs through oral contact. Nothing completely eliminates your risk. Someone unwilling to accept even a marginal level of risk has no business having sex with anyone. The key is to manage, reduce, and accept your personal level of risk. Another few important points worth mentioning… 1) DoxyPEP reduces, but does not eliminate your risk of bacterial STIs. Some people treat it like it makes them invincible. This is not true. This is about reducing, rather than eliminating risk. 2) DoxyPEP, many of you may not know, is pretty bad at preventing gonorrhea infections. While it is pretty darn good at stopping chlamydia and syphilis infections when used as prescribed, it is NOT a good way to reduce your risk of getting gonorrhea. You get gonorrhea the same ways you get the other two, and it is possible to transmit all of these orally, not just anally. Please note, the treatment for oral gonorrhea is different than for gonorrhea in your urethra or rectum. I mention this in case some of you are trying to treat an infection more discreetly through an online pharmacy service or black market drug peddler rather than through your doctor. Your doctor will know what to prescribe. Don’t try to treat infections on your own. It causes you and your partners more harm. 3) Other STIs exist. Just because they are less common doesn’t mean you can’t get them. Any man who has sex with men should talk to his doctor about vaccinations like Mpox, and Hepatitis A/B. Giardia is a thing, as are other lesser known sexually transmitted infections.

Depends on the nature of the service. Therapeutic only masseurs get annoyed at nude pic requests because what they look like naked isn’t particularly relevant for the service they are advertising. But…I know there’s a lot of gray area in who offers what to whom and when and for how much. My view is if any escort style services are explicitly on offer or even implied as on offer, a masseur / SW should not be surprised or offended by the request, and should be willing to share freely. You want to sell your ass? Show your ass. You want to sell your massage skills without any sexual things or nudity? Market your skills. Your looks are only a bonus for those that like your look. Being naked, offering mutual touch, happy endings or more, all depend on the individual masseur. Some offer extras, some don’t. I think it’s ok to ask for nudes from masseurs that advertise in a way that suggests they offer more than therapeutic massage. That doesn’t mean they are obligated to share nudes, but that’s their decision to lean into what they are selling by offering a preview or not. Whether they share pics or not, some clients will bite, some won’t.

Another way to address healthcare access is to own a business with one or more business partners. You can get a group plan through a broker this way, and there is no limit on what you can report for your provider business income. My partner and I are only a two person farm business, but we get to hand select our health insurance plans to suit our needs, and we write off all of our farm business expenses and healthcare expenses, including premiums. With ACA coverage, you may only have a few plan options in your state. Same with coverage through an employer, only a few options that may or may not meet your particular healthcare needs. That may be fine for most people like me with uncomplicated needs, but leaves a lot of us falling through the cracks. My partner has a lot of complicated health issues. He is only capable of working part time. This is one of many reasons I continue to work as a provider. With our group plan, a broker helps him hand select a plan offering coverage for all of his specialty healthcare providers. The premium is quite high, at over 1k / month, but he maxes out his out of pocket expenses early in the year. Virtually all of his care is free after that. Just one of his half dozen specialty healthcare providers, for instance, would have cost him 38k over the whole year. I would be fine with an ACA or employer sponsored plan, but me being a part of our group plan gives my partner access to lots of benefits we wouldn’t have if we were beholden to employers or state healthcare.

Thanks TT. I’m alright. I can’t post information here re: who he is. Agree; the lengths some people go to harrass us is truly breathtaking. This is but one small window into a provider’s world. Dealing with people like this is mild compared to others.

Someone sharing strikingly similar views as the OP - and perhaps a couple other members sympathetic to his views on this thread - has been harassing me since 7/1/23, from no less than seventeen different phone numbers. I keep ignoring him and blocking immediately for…literally, years now…but he just keeps getting new numbers and spewing the same bs every few weeks or months. I am so tired of it. It’s not just me either. I know others in the industry he reaches out to with the same types of messages, some of them repeatedly, but especially me. He’s obsessed. Since I am fairly certain he will text me from yet a new number after I post this, I am going to hopefully stop him from doing so by stating that I intend to follow up by posting all of his new messages here with dates until he stops. If he leaves me alone, good riddance. If he doesn’t stop, you will all know about it, with redactions in keeping with the site guidelines. Here are just a few of his more recent messages. Note the message in yellow highlight referring to my earlier comment on this thread. He clearly is aware of this thread content, so it has to be someone here - if not a registered member, then a viewer. There are a bunch of other messages from 2023, 2024, and 2025, but I won’t bother collecting all of them. You get the gist. Who has time for this?

I didn’t. It was all too much. After years of weekend and evening provider work (about full time, just opposite schedule) and working a full time 8-5 job in an office, I just about collapsed. My well being suffered, but I made good money. So I quit my straight job and now work for myself providing services full time. Best decision ever, for pretty much all aspects of my life. One of my friends works full time from home. He makes enough to pay all his bills. He does our work part time nights and weekends for extra money, and for his personal fulfillment helping others in this unique way that we do. He only sees regulars now, doesn’t advertise anymore. He works with me for clients who want us for groups though. Kind of nice having premium access! I think stopping advertising after retaining a certain number of regulars is his way of limiting what might otherwise become unmanageable, contrary to my approach. He’s smarter in that regard. More power to him. @DznNYC has a full time job. He will have more to contribute. He’s in a busy season at the moment however, so maybe it will take more time for him to see this and comment.

New RentMen profile. Or at least using the same pics as RIOXX before: NandoSoutho No opinion on him, just happened to notice in the course of RentMen shopping and researching for a client interested in him.

A little bit of perspective here. While each dating / hookup app has its own dynamic, something to keep in mind is that you may not be someone’s number one pick, but that doesn’t mean you are their last pick either. Men looking around for partners on apps and websites (especially hookup oriented ones) have limited time and attention to give to their prospects. The guy you eye wants to make a connection on a timeline that fits within his schedule, with someone who he has a reasonably high level of confidence that he will enjoy spending time with. He can’t entertain everyone all the time. That doesn’t necessarily equate to he “wouldn’t give you a second glance”. You might be #8 on his list, but he is already juggling conversations with picks #1, 2, 3, and 4, and he can’t even meet all of those guys, much less #99, or even #8 for that matter. Do I know if you are #8 on anyone’s list? No, but a self defeating attitude will attract less success than a confident and mature one. This is one of the best lessons some of my clients take from hiring me. I’m thinking of one in particular who has really come out of his shell the past couple of years. It’s not all due to me, but I know I gave him a boost that really helped him in his dating and sex life. He now regularly dates lots of men younger (his preference) and more conventionally attractive than himself. He has to turn many of them away because his schedule is full. Before, he was the guy that would say something similar to, “he won’t give me a second glance”. Now he approaches apps completely differently and attracts the men he likes to see. I’m glad he still sees me on a somewhat regular basis, but he does so for different reasons now. Mostly convenience, but lots of other good reasons to hire a provider like exploring niche interests, zero complications, no attachments, reliability, and consistency. Recently he has been practicing his topping game with me so he can top his dates with more skill and confidence, rather than always defaulting to his main preference as a bottom. Among other reasons. It’s not all about the way you look. And even so, my clients have lots of attractive qualities that they don’t believe about themselves. I hesitate to shower compliments or comment on their appearance in particular because it gives them the false impression that I am either being disingenuous, or only treating them well because I have some personal physical attraction. I don’t want them to get the wrong idea, either way. Some of them are more attractive to me, for sure, but that’s not why I see them or treat them well. It’s business and they are good clients. I wouldn’t hook up with them on an app, attractive though they may be. Number one because they are clients, but even if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hook up with a lot of them for other reasons, many of which have nothing to do with their appearance. I encourage clients here to use your hiring to boost your self confidence and self esteem. It’s not all lies. Many of you are lovely people, inside and out. A good provider has your best long term interests at heart. I do. Even when that means the client doesn’t hire me anymore, because he has a more active and fruitful personal dating life. Sometimes it’s fulfilling working myself out of a job.

First off, most men give mediocre handjobs and blowjobs. That’s just reality for me, whether meeting for personal sex on an app or seeing clients. I wouldn’t want to get off in most of these instances. For several more important reasons, but at the very least because it wouldn’t gratify me personally. Some people are just clueless, unskilled, and inexperienced. But I can’t let on. It’s part of my job to fulfill fantasies, to make people feel good, to make them feel desired, validated, and accepted. So when I’m working, I do what I need to do. I don’t need/want to cum with clients. I do, of course, when it gratifies the client and he is paying an escort rate specifically to get it. My concern is for the client’s gratification and satisfaction. When I can get him there without cumming myself, all the better. When I do cum, I prefer to do so after he does, because it helps me feel much better about doing my job and less in my head about shooting too early or in a way that doesn’t give him the experience he wants. After a lot of time in this work, I am much better at holding off for much longer. It’s a lot of buildup and sustaining a plateau for 1-2 hours. For some clients, I am having sex (without cumming) for the better part of three or even four hours, or at least frequently switching off and on between bouts of sex and erotic massage. It takes a lot to deliver a high level of sexual performance for that long. Contrast this dynamic with the client who demands me climax at the snap of his fingers after a much shorter time. It’s exhausting. A real mind fuck sometimes having to switch gears and do the exact opposite of what I have trained myself to do. More generally, orgasms that I am rushed into having don’t feel that good. It’s a waste, a drain on me, and doesn’t make me feel personally very good. The pressure and expectation to have an orgasm doesn’t feel good either. I prefer to save my sexual energy whenever possible, if not for other clients (95% of my concern), then for my own personal sex life, my own hand notwithstanding. I’d much rather release on my own terms, when I feel ready. My job is sex, so expecting / demanding / requesting me to cum without paying an appropriate fee for it is taxing emotionally, professionally, sometimes financially, and of course physically. Maybe I’ll do it once in a while for a low maintenance client that really appreciates me, treats me with respect, shows loyalty, tips, and doesn’t demand things. That’s the client I consider worth indulging from time to time when I can. Maybe when I have no other clients booked that day, or I know my next job won’t require a high level of sexual performance. As far as clients I am personally more attracted to, the same dynamics are at play. I’m here to do a job. Their satisfaction is why they are hiring me, and that’s what I make a point to deliver. Most of the time I am not cumming for them either. From time to time, I indulge them when I feel I can afford to, but my motivations are the same as with any other client. Treat your sex workers well and they will reciprocate.

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This. I avoid all the gimmicks and extra equipment like heated pads, blankets, hot water bags, etc. The downsides of the heated table pads are they break, are difficult to clean, and are harder to navigate when trying to get up under the client’s body when I am introducing Lomi-Lomi style techniques into the flow of my massage. I use a space heater to quickly raise the room temp when necessary. The best way, in my opinion, is not to fuss with the table surface, but to keep the room at an appropriate temperature range for most clients. That falls, in my opinion, within the 72-76F range. It could go higher for some, but I avoid going above 78F. At 77F or higher, my coconut oil (melting point 78F) gets too goopy and runny to work with for my style of massage. It’s a mess and I end up using way too much product because it’s more difficult to control the amount I am applying with a simple quick swipe or dab. A solid state, but still workable oil is best for me to control exactly how much I am applying. Above 76 and I start getting too hot because I am moving around a lot and exerting quite a bit of energy. 78 or more and I start sweating more which is unpleasant for clients wanting to touch me. They like a sweaty man during sex, but don’t so much during body-to-body contact massage, nuru style work, frottage, etc., or even simple mutual touch. Cooler than 72 or 70F and my oil is too solid to easily work with, not to mention cooler on the client’s skin, which is a less pleasant micro shock every time I freshly apply. It melts onto the skin in seconds, but still, not as good as melting onto the skin instantly in the 73-76F range. Cooler than 72 and many clients are likely to feel a slight chill, as they are completely nude the whole time and staying still. I lean on the warmer side in the winter and for leaner and/or older clients because these are the most likely to want a warmer room. I lean on the cooler side in the summer, or for clients with a bigger build and/or younger, for the same reasons. Everyone is different though, and the rule of thumb doesn’t apply to everyone. I adjust for whatever the client requests if they are wanting something different. Seldom do I drape, but I did the other day with a sheet and blanket for an older, leaner client that was cold despite the room being a balmy 76. There are always exceptions and I work around it one way or another, even if that means a sweltering hot yoga like room. I sweat it out. It’s a shame so few clients book a hot stone massage, but for those lucky ones that do, I front load the massage with hot stones. I use the stones to warm their hands and feet while I massage the rest of their body with the rest of the hot stones before continuing on to the regular massage portion of the session. I change the stones out frequently, every couple minutes or so to maintain a therapeutic temp. Lukewarm stones do as much good for the body as a tepid hot tub. By the way, my hot stone sessions are longer, so the stone time doesn’t take anything away from my regular massage routine. It’s on top of what I normally do, to prep the client’s muscles for some really good deep tissue work. Feels great too. Working thoroughly on the extremities increases circulation and ameliorates the cool touch effect over the course of the massage. Whatever might feel initially shocking at the cooler extremities goes away over the course of the session. A good, experienced therapist will have no problem working on a client with cooler extremities. This is nothing new for us, and doesn’t put us off in any way. I encourage clients to not worry about having cool hands or feet. It’s normal. The good guys will know how to handle it and touching us (for those that allow it) is perfectly fine. Just be gentle and respectful as any sensible, experienced, warm handed client would be anyhow.

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I’ve seen him for…a personal meetup. It was fun. Hot muscle bottom for sure and he took to my rimming like a duck to water. He charges 400/hr now. More power to him. He’s worth it. Just not sure my clients will spring for 400 a pop on multiple providers when I’m organizing groups. He has a long and illustrious porn career, which for some commands a premium. I like him personally. Maybe if we can negotiate a rate for group play I will see him again soon.

Lots of sound advice above. @Jamie21 gave a good summary. @maninsoma makes some good points. You never know based on the ad alone who is offering what, or if they will be able and willing to perform escort services such as cumming for you. Seek out providers that advertise more than massage, or at least offer clues in their ads that they do. Refer to the other thread links for some good discussion on how to go about this part. I wouldn’t be offended by such a direct ask as @glennnnn suggested. However, I would refer you to my rates covering what you are asking for because I have a rate structure higher than massage that incudes what you want but still gets you a great massage. Many other masseurs won’t have this kind of rate structure set up and be put off by the request. We can’t be expected to cum for a massage fee. It’s unsustainable to work this way. Although you might encounter some who do the things you want for a massage fee from time to time, it’s not the norm and unreasonable to expect. If you must have cum, your best bet is hire an escort. Guys like me who offer both massage and escort services AND do both equally well are in the minority. Providers are usually better at one service and only ok at the other (if they offer it at all). An escort will almost certainly be willing and able to cum for you, and you should confidently ask an escort for what you want, because these services are in his wheelhouse. While he may be discreet in how and where he discusses these things, he should not be offended that you are asking for what you want. Some masseurs may be unwilling to discuss, or unwilling to fulfill your needs. I would avoid asking in the moment when you’re on the table because it places so much pressure on us to give more than we are willing to give. In the middle of the service is not the right time to discuss rates for additional services. It kills the mood for you and for him, and disrupts the flow. It’s best to agree ahead of time to a fair fee so your masseur can do all the things you want and expect without hesitation or feeling pressured into it or taken advantage of, or feel like they have to lose you as a client because they have to maintain a boundary in the moment. Plus it puts you off. Discussing ahead helps him plan for what you want, like making sure he is not cumming multiple times that day before he sees you, or booking someone right after you with the same expectations for him to stay hard and/or cum. The same reasoning applies to escorts planning out their day. We are not robots. We can’t stay hard for hours and hours a day, or cum multiple times a day on command for massage fees. This is why, among many reasons, we charge higher rates for what you want, or simply choose not to offer escort style services to our clients at all.

My red light kit comes with glasses to protect my eyes. I hear it can harm you to put red light in/near or directly into your eyes. Maybe consider using protective eyewear when getting exposure near your face or when the light is directed near your eyes.

I want you all here to know you can ask ME for anything. I won’t judge you. I can 99% of the time spot the difference between a guy wanting to sext for free and a client simply asking respectfully for his specific needs and interests. Most of you here are in the latter camp. This is part of the fun and benefit to hiring: 1) get exactly what you want, no fuss 2) explore things without judgement 3) discover new and exciting interests 4) feel safe, honest, open, and free For those of you who don’t know what you want (or are too uncomfortable to ask), maybe ask the provider to try things and feel it out, go with the flow. But don’t have any expectations for your provider to be ready to bottom. That’s one of my pet peeves: a client that won’t tell me he wants to top until after the fact and I have to say no because I am not ready for it. But had he asked ahead, I could have accommodated him. Likewise, who knows if he is ready to top when you’re only hiring massage but then requesting full service in the moment (for his appropriate fee) only to discover he just had multiple clients paying him to cum and he is not in a position to offer you optimal top service. Consider things like that. You may luck out, but asking for things ahead helps us make sure we can do what you want us to do. We can’t read minds, and we don’t want to disappoint you. Similar commentary regarding other practical matters for requests taking more time, materials, preparation, gear, or setup to fulfill. Think about what your provider needs to know to fulfill your desires and ask for it ahead. @Jamie21 this is so hot. I take a similar approach with some of my clients I sense want to go to these kinds of places with me. A positive reaction to a light spank, for instance, may be all I need to proceed.

I typically craft my initial reply to address everything in the client’s initial text that I can answer. I usually start by pasting a stock response and then modifying to personalize, answering anything else the client brought up. How we reply definitely matters and I believe makes a difference in my business. I try to answer the what, where, when, and how much questions so the client has all the basic information to make a decision. I also make an effort to be friendly, but this doesn’t always translate easily in text form. Tone varies, but I avoid mirroring the gruff, sometimes rude messages I receive. I try not to take it personally. By putting in a lot of effort responding thoughtfully to tons of messages that never go anywhere, I pick up the good clients along the way and keep them as reliable regulars requiring less maintenance. The bad ones drop off once they make themselves known. It takes work up front, including lots of annoying exchanges and dealing with rude people. However, I will never win those good clients over if I just reply with a rate. It’s like mining for gold. Lots of long, patient sediment sifting. I can’t complain to the gold flecks about all the dirt I had to pan out to find them. Every once in a while I even find a nugget. It’s work doing the work, but it’s also work getting the work. When you do enough of both, your schedule fills up and you reap the rewards. The strategy I like best is to make yourself so busy with good regulars that you don’t have to deal with the bad apples. They can’t occupy space in your schedule or your mind! It takes years of patience to get there. People on these forums are, on average, better clients than who we deal with on a daily basis. Anyone spending time asking questions about the best way to craft a message to a provider is going to be levels of magnitude better to work with than the guys we sometimes complain about. Providers mention the rude, unserious, flaky, or people outright taking advantage of us all the time, but most of you here are not those people. It’s unfortunate you have to be the recipients of so much disdain when you represent fewer of the reasons for us feeling our frustrations. You are here reading and listening when the people that most need to hear it would never take the time nor give the bandwidth to hear it out, much less take it to heart. The times I post about bad actor clients I relent later, thinking this is the wrong audience. With few exceptions, my COM clients are great men. I’m sorry you guys have to bear the brunt of so many providers venting about things a lot of you here you either don’t do, or correct when you learn from collective wisdom here how to better conduct yourselves. Thank you for being the best clients.