Thank you imrthr. Even when smoking was allowed in the Brazilian saunas (and with respect I think it was a little more than 2 years ago) Lagoa at least had a non smoking TV lounge which was a blessed relief. That TV lounge is what I mean by ''relaxing'' which seems to be lacking at Thermas. On the subject of Brazil and smoking I recall on my first visits smoking in restaurants was permitted. At the Fasano in Sao Paulo, one of the most exclusive restaurants in the city, their idea of a non smoking section was to remove the ash tray from your table but people in tables around you could smoke to their hearts content. How times have changed.