Stock Bar Joel

[Stock Bar Montreal]

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Elwood and traxton, I agree with both of you. Overcharging has been rampant at Stock. I know what I'm talking about, as I'm a Montreal resident and have gone to Stock for 25 years.

 

Aquario, Have you ever reported any of the incidents to the manager?

[Aquario]

No. Like many people, I prefer to let it go and just don't rehire the dancer. However, I'm not ruling out complaining to the management if this happens again in the future. When hiring new dancers, I think the management should make it clear to them that such behavior is unacceptable.

[Stock Bar Montreal]

Miscounting songs is never allowed and it is very clear to every dancer when they are hired.

Not letting us know when it happens makes it almost impossible to control. Saying I wont dance with him ever again doesn't solve the problem.

It doesn't need to become an argument with the dancer, simply ask to speak to the manager.

I assure you the problem will be corrected at once by the manager.

If your really uncomfortable with dealing with the problem you can also email Contact@stockbar.com with the information.

[Aquario]

Is it that simple? It's my word against his, after all. When such disagreement happen, should I refuse to pay him and see the manager for settlement or should I pay him and then speak to the manager? In that case, what's the point of seeing the manager if I don't get anything back and still overpay. You might be correcting the problem for the future but not MY problem.

 

You also say "Miscounting songs is never allowed and it is very clear to every dancer when they are hired." OK, maybe, but are you sure you're doing a good job at it? I had come to a point where I became very distrustful. The story about Jones just confirms that the problem is still there and that's a shame.

 

I'm glad we're having this discussion. This is something that has been bothering me for a long time. In the last few months, I started to go to Stock more frequently as I found it more enjoyable. I hope things will keep improving in the future.

[Stock Bar Montreal]

Is it that simple? It's my word against his, after all. When such disagreement happen, should I refuse to pay him and see the manager for settlement or should I pay him and then speak to the manager? In that case, what's the point of seeing the manager if I don't get anything back and still overpay. You might be correcting the problem for the future but not MY problem.

 

You also say "Miscounting songs is never allowed and it is very clear to every dancer when they are hired." OK, maybe, but are you sure you're doing a good job at it? I had come to a point where I became very distrustful. The story about Jones just confirms that the problem is still there and that's a shame.

 

I'm glad we're having this discussion. This is something that has been bothering me for a long time. In the last few months, I started to go to Stock more frequently as I found it more enjoyable. I hope things will keep improving in the future.

 

It is pretty simple, both sets of lap dance rooms have cameras located outside the door, if needed we can see the time you entered and the time you exited.

This might not be a perfect system but to allow it to just go unmentioned will never solve or address the problem.

As for Jones, the incident being talked about here was during his first or second week of working and he has not had any complaints or negative comments since.

That information is based on customers seen with Jones and being asked about there experience by the manager.

 

And yes, there are cases that the customer does miscount.

[elwood]

Thank you Stock Bar for responding -- it is much appreciated. This is a good discussion because it really is a big problem. I have talked to other customers at the bar who this has happened to as well.

I think customers may be hesitant to go to management for various reasons: perhaps they don't know who is in charge, they may think the bar is in on it, they don't want to make a scene, they feel cheated and just want to leave, etc...

I hope the dancers can understand that this costs them $$ in the long run. They are losing out on repeat business. Something to consider.

[Aquario]

Well said Elwood. Those reasons are all legitimate. These could be used as answers to my question "Is it that simple?". I'm a local and I have absolutely no idea who the manager is or where I can find him.

[Stock Bar Montreal]

Well said Elwood. Those reasons are all legitimate. These could be used as answers to my question "Is it that simple?". I'm a local and I have absolutely no idea who the manager is or where I can find him.

 

Simply say to ANY server, or barman who is the manager or can he come to see me.

 

The results will solve your issue.

 

The dancers keep 100% of the money from private dances.

There is no advantage to the bar for dancer overcharging a customer.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Stock Bar Montreal

[Txpaytoplay]

I will say in all the times I have visited Stock...I have never had a problem with counting songs or getting over charged. It's all in communication with me. I say let's do two songs and let me know when it is up. If I want to do more I say lets do another. I find the service there to be impeccable all the way around.

[GBoi]

Over the many years I’ve been visiting Stock, I’ve been scammed maybe a handful of times. Needless to say I never repeated with those dancers. I’m glad to hear there is recourse with management if it were to ever happen again.

[+ newatthis]

Over the many years I’ve been visiting Stock, I’ve been scammed maybe a handful of times. Needless to say I never repeated with those dancers. I’m glad to hear there is recourse with management if it were to ever happen again.

I guess we're picking on Stock because this is a Stock thread. The truth is that I've "been miscounted" in every club, but only a few times altogether over many years of travel to Montreal. I've probably "been undercounted" just as often. And it's not unusual to have a dancer say to me "I''ve lost track of the count; pay me what you think is fair" -- those are the situations in which I'm likely to have lost track as well .

 

I emphasize this because when I first started visiting Montreal, the stories I read here had me so freaked out about overcount scamming that I didn't enjoy the dances at all. So be alert, but not to the point of killing the fun!

[Guest RBmont-real]

I divide my time between Montreal and Rio de Janeiro.

 

I have been going to Stock Bar and Campus in their various iterations for over 30 years. I am now a retired senior. I cannot remember the exact year dances abruptly inflated from 10 to 20. 2006?

 

I tell each dancer I private with that I intend to orgasm discreetly and make sure he grasps that. I can come fairly easily if I find him really hot ... maybe about 5% of the dancers fit that bill and about 90% of that subgroup are not willing to leave money on the table. Cash is cash and their driver. I also have ample erotogenic potential beyond penile stimulation, with the right stud. I have been able to cum even in the early days with more open-concept table dances. The range is 3-10 dances. If I bust my nut at the sooner end, I may tip 20. I have a fair amount of cash I am able to consistently budget for sex any given year, so I don't get too bent out of shape about spending.

 

With Brazil as a reference point, I accept that in MTL I am consistently scammed when I club a few times per year there. $5 per minute ... $300 an hour, is a scam I roll with at those times. I have zero tolerance for scamming beyond this extant locally universal scam.

 

I pay $100 tops for full-on 70-100 minute sex sessions at my domicile in Brazil. Sourced mainly from the sauna brothels. This obviates the trend of blowing my load in my panties like in MTL, unless stripbar fellows comes to my loft (some do at local rates). By comparison, the Brasileiros are 9s and make the hottest strippers in MTL look like 6-7s and a little more on the sleazy side. There is an ample selection of godlike tops, bttms, and Versas. Only top quality guys can make bank at the escort saunas.

 

For fun, I sometimes show MTL prospects various iPhone pics of my BRZ BFEs. I tell the MTL stripscorts that they are as attractive as the photos I show for a few minutes. Wink. I don't feel compelled to personally voice the obvious differences. They usually say they want me to take them to BRZ so they can get with no-hassle female 9-10s for amounts similar to what I dole out.

 

I put this info and experience forward here simply for perspective, not in order to necessarily rock the boat. I also realized I randomly inserted my blather into a dancer-specific post. Mea culpa. Of course I realize that Montreal itself is more accessible. However, the cost differential of about 6 encounters within a MTL vacay just about covers airfare differential, so that might be seen as the frequency threshold for considering casting your net into the southern hemisphere. And BRZ is easing up on visa complexity.

 

Otherwise, I know all about purchase power parity concepts so do not require a lesson on that count.

 

Anyway, enjoying my present escape from the deep-freeze up there. Glad I drained my pipes and turned off water.

[diehard_002]

RBmont-real - Love your post. In NYC the latin dancers are more fun 99% of the time.

[Chidude]

@RBmont-real, thanks for the fascinating post. I want to be you when I grow up!!

[Penn7]

I usually go with approach #2 but I like the idea of agreeing to a set amount of $ for a set amount of time... I may try that :-)

 

Some tips to avoid overcounting:

1. Agree with the dancer what he constitutes as the length of one song (I negotiate for 4 minutes per song, with 3.5 minutes at minimum). Then whip out the stopwatch app on your phone and time it the moment you are seated and about to commence the lap dance.

 

2. Ask your dancer to count the songs out loud as each song ends.

 

3. If you just want a fixed number of songs at the back with a dancer, tell him before you go in that you will only pay for XX songs and that he has to inform you when XX songs are up and you’ll decide at that point to either end the lap dance or continue for more.