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You would prefer he were not "open-minded?" He has a very well written and appealing profile.

 

We texted. When I asked him what he does in bed, he said that he is "open-minded." This sounded to me like something someone posing as a "straight" guy would say, as if he normally wouldn't do this. His pictures are hot but a little blurry. I googled them and found that two picts belong to a model. He also said his out call rate is $200, which seems low for a guy so hot.

 

So I'm suspicious, but always curious. Does anyone know him?

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It's a way to get more clients and while on PrEP spread other things... not for me!

I am struck by the number of potential clients who seem to be perfectly fine with an escort who SAYS he is available for safe sex only, but refuse to have anything to do with one who suggests he may be open to barebacking. What counts is not what the escort claims he does or doesn't do (or has or hasn't done,) but what YOU do. When engaging in intimacy with a professional sex worker (or anyone else for that matter,) one needs to assume the worst in all cases.

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I am struck by the number of potential clients who seem to be perfectly fine with an escort who SAYS he is available for safe sex only, but refuse to have anything to do with one who suggests he may be open to barebacking. What counts is not what the escort claims he does or doesn't do (or has or hasn't done,) but what YOU do. When engaging in intimacy with a professional sex worker (or anyone else for that matter,) one needs to assume the worst in all cases.

 

I wouldn't hire someone who BB on PrEP because I'm concerned about other disease that you get by kissing or engaging in oral sex that someone who engages in unprotected anal sex is more likely to get.

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I wouldn't hire someone who BB on PrEP because I'm concerned about other disease that you get by kissing or engaging in oral sex that someone who engages in unprotected anal sex is more likely to get.

But my point was that you do not KNOW what he does or has done.

coriolis888 Grand Master

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It's a way to get more clients and while on PrEP spread other things... not for me!

 

 

Am I looking at the same or correct ad? I don't see in the ad where it says anything about PrEP.

 

Has the escort amended his ad since the post was made?

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read the OP post and my conversation with @Despardo ....

 

 

I read the OP post and your conversation with the other forum user.

 

I am still puzzled how PrEP got introduced as something the escort uses.

 

Oh, well, it is not important at this point since it is only an assumption on your part rather than something written by the escort.

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I read the OP post and your conversation with the other forum user.

 

I am still puzzled how PrEP got introduced as something the escort uses.

 

Oh, well, it is not important at this point since it is only an assumption on your part rather than something written by the escort.

 

@Wiley1

 

it's a logical assumption besides he doesn't answer the question of "Safe or BB sex" yet he answers ALL other questions in his profile...

 

May I assume escorts who BB are on PrEP?

 

You made your point clear, email him if you really want his own opinion and what "open minded" means to him.

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For what its worth, what "open-minded" means to me is that the advertiser is intentionally choosing to be vague. Its a red flag for me that the guy is likely straight, or perhaps just dipping his toe into this pastime to see how much $$ he can raise within his own limits. Had that experience with a date I had in LV a couple years ago -- Matteo, who I reviewed. I suppose being open-minded also could reflect intentional vagueness about bare-backing or other things.

 

For me that language -- as well as an "ask me" response to the safe sex question -- is a prompt to be very direct about what I'm looking for, describing myself including age and looks, establishing that I play safe, and inquiring about what he is comfortable doing.

 

And I'm totally with Desperado in assuming that anybody I meet could be HIV positive, especially now that an escort's willingness to go bare is increasingly frequent, actually becoming the norm in my experience, probably because of PrEP I'd guess.

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And I'm totally with Desperado in assuming that anybody I meet could be HIV positive, especially now that an escort's willingness to go bare is increasingly frequent, actually becoming the norm in my experience, probably because of PrEP I'd guess.

 

 

What you wrote, along with your reference to Desperado's good advise, is wise and a good assumption to make (that anyone can be positive).

 

However, I don't believe that escorts are routinely using PrEP unless they say they are. It is quite a stretch to assume that they are.

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What you wrote, along with your reference to Desperado's good advise, is wise and a good assumption to make (that anyone can be positive).

 

However, I don't believe that escorts are routinely using PrEP unless they say they are. It is quite a stretch to assume that they are.

 

Coriolis, point taken for sure. I did qualify my statement as being "based on my experience," but let me clarify that:

 

More than half the people I've scheduled in the last year (5 out of 7) have been willing to bareback, very different from my experience before this past year. I commented about this on another thread a few weeks ago: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/orange-county-escorts-who-bareback.117332/#post-1148369.

 

Of the 5 who were willing, four listed safe sex only, only one said "ask me." I talked about this with 2 of the 5. One of them explained his willingness to bareback by saying that he was a professional and was on PrEP, the other just said he didn't enjoy sex as much with a condom with no mention of PrEP -- he made me wonder whether PrEP was involved in his decision to prioritize pleasure over safety, but I don't know.

 

So yes definitely I am making a lot of assumptions, extrapolating from one conversation what four others might be doing or thinking. Plus this is just one man's experience and pretty limited in sample size! Its why I've brought it up actually, to see if others are noticing a similar shift. It was startling to me to hear a shift toward professionalism involving an offer of unsafe sex. Someone pointed out that this might be regional, an interesting thought. Bottom line, you're correct -- this is anecdotal and a lot of assumptions along the way.

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Coriolis, point taken for sure. I did qualify my statement as being "based on my experience," but let me clarify that:

 

More than half the people I've scheduled in the last year (5 out of 7) have been willing to bareback, very different from my experience before this past year. I commented about this on another thread a few weeks ago: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/orange-county-escorts-who-bareback.117332/#post-1148369.

 

Of the 5 who were willing, four listed safe sex only, only one said "ask me." I talked about this with 2 of the 5. One of them explained his willingness to bareback by saying that he was a professional and was on PrEP, the other just said he didn't enjoy sex as much with a condom with no mention of PrEP -- he made me wonder whether PrEP was involved in his decision to prioritize pleasure over safety, but I don't know.

 

So yes definitely I am making a lot of assumptions, extrapolating from one conversation what four others might be doing or thinking. Plus this is just one man's experience and pretty limited in sample size! Its why I've brought it up actually, to see if others are noticing a similar shift. It was startling to me to hear a shift toward professionalism involving an offer of unsafe sex. Someone pointed out that this might be regional, an interesting thought. Bottom line, you're correct -- this is anecdotal and a lot of assumptions along the way.

 

 

Your post is very helpful and interesting.

 

Even though (as you wrote) your sample size is limited, your experience is a wake-up call and based on facts of your experiences.

 

I had not seriously considered that those who advertise as safe would not be truthful about that critical element of escorting.

 

When some (many ?) escorts advertise as safe, it apparently goes hand-in-hand to consider the "safe" comment as potentially false as well as considering whether the photos in the ad are stolen and/or severely outdated.

Wiley1 Community Regular

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By saying he is open minded, I think that all he meant was that he is open to new "gay" sexual experiences like oral, anal, etc. I think he is pretending to be straight and is doing me a favor to do oral. He's not talking about BB or safe sex.

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He's not talking about NB of safe sex.

 

 

At the risk of appearing dumb, can you tell me what "NB" means in your post?

 

I know there is an abreviation (NB) for a Latin phrase but I am not sure how that Latin phrase fits with this escorts ad. Thanks

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At the risk of appearing dumb, can you tell me what "NB" means in your post?

 

I know there is an abreviation (NB) for a Latin phrase but I am not sure how that Latin phrase fits with this escorts ad. Thanks

 

OOPS.. I made several typos there. I meant to write "BB" not "NB." So that sentence should read: "He's not talking about BB or safe sex."

 

In his ad, where he was asked for his orientation, his response was "Ask me." So when I asked him what his orientation is, he said he was "open minded." I wanted to know what he liked doing because it's more fun if the other person is into it too. He would only say he was open minded.

 

I didn't see the discussion about bb or safe sex until yesterday, or I would have added this information earlier.

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So I met the guy in the pics last night at Boardwalk in Ft Lauderdale. "Shawn" is a total fake and stole the pics of someone named Santiago who dances at BW. Santiago was well aware of the scammer and thinks someone stole his Facebook pics.

 

Santiago is from Spain, speaks perfect English, and is a really nice guy. He recently moved to south florida. I get the sense he's probably not gay but open to private sessions for the right price.

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So I met the guy in the pics last night at Boardwalk in Ft Lauderdale. "Shawn" is a total fake and stole the pics of someone named Santiago who dances at BW. Santiago was well aware of the scammer and thinks someone stole his Facebook pics.

 

Santiago is from Spain, speaks perfect English, has is a really nice guy. He recently moved to south florida. I get the sense he's probably not gay but open to private sessions for the right price.

 

Santiago does indeed do privates.....:)

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