Man Robbed after Calling Rentboy Ad

[anotherjohnindupont]

Mine would start, "I was hiding my fully-erect column behind the nearest sofa when I totally unloaded in my trousers as he approached..."

 

Or: "I asked him to order a venti chocolate so I could recognized him at the starbucks"."I told him I'd be wearing a trench coat."

 

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[Jake Walker]

NEVER meet in the lobby. It most definitely is not "safer" ... in fact, it dramatically increases ones odds of being arrested in a sting operation. No escort in his right mind would ever met someone in a lobby. And no client should do so either, unless you want your name and photo plastered on the news for being arrested for solicitation. Additionally, meeting in a lobby would not in any way have prevented something like this horrible robbing described, as meeting someone in a lobby gives you no guarantee whatsoever that there are not several guys waiting in a room to overpower and rob someone. Quite the opposite, only knowing the room number in advance, and meeting there, gives one greater comfort, as you know if there's the slightest problem, when you leave, you can walk right to hotel management as well as the police and complain. Thus, you're far safer meeting someone in their hotel room, instead of the lobby. Keep in mind, the safest thing to do is to meet only with well-reviewed escorts, who have multiple positive reviews on trusted sites like this one.

[Jake Walker]

That's ridiculous. A robbery victim can easily say he went to a room to meet someone he chatted with on the phone, and when when he got to the room, he was robbed. It's all true. And he never has to mention anything about escorts or pay.

 

Very often the victim of this kind of robbery wouldn't report it to the police for obvious reasons.

[Jake Walker]

Meeting in public will make no difference. Looking like the pic does nothing to assure or even improve safety. If a person won't go the police to report the robbery, having the thug's pics won't make a whit of difference. You're giving very bad advice, and deluding yourself on the sense of security you feel by meeting in public. I've been escorting for over 15 years, and have never once met anyone in public for the first time. Yet from all of my fellow escorts (and clients) whom I know have been arrested, more than 2/3rds of them met the undercover cop in public first. So if you insist on meeting in public, than prepare to be arrested.

 

 

The point of meeting in public is to make sure they look like the photos they emailed or sent by text. If they don't, pass on the meeting and in a public location you don't even have to approach the person. A "thug" is less likely to commit a crime against you if he's sent you his pictures. If they injure or worse the client their photos are in his email and/or in the text message history. You can't so easily walk away when you've knocked on their hotel door. You apparently feel more comfortable meeting a stranger by knocking on their door...good luck with that and hope your sixth sense isn't on vacation that day or mistaken - cause it will be too late then. And not all thugs look like thugs. As for reporting the crime to the police ("the victim should have reported the crime to the police"), not everyone is going to be ok going to the police to say they got rolled by a male escort they met on line or in some other way. I know I wouldn't do that given I have a job and life I don't want turned upside down and made public. Everyone should come up with their own procedures before and when meeting a stranger and if something doesn't seem right, retreat. Lastly, leave a message somewhere in case you go missing. On the fridge, in your voice mail, with a friend, somewhere. Regardless of how I or others here might try to sound, none of us are experts in personal safety and the only was to be absolutely safe is "don't hire")

[+ Gar1eth]

Meeting in public will make no difference. Looking like the pic does nothing to assure or even improve safety. If a person won't go the police to report the robbery, having the thug's pics won't make a whit of difference. You're giving very bad advice, and deluding yourself on the sense of security you feel by meeting in public. I've been escorting for over 15 years, and have never once met anyone in public for the first time. Yet from all of my fellow escorts (and clients) whom I know have been arrested, more than 2/3rds of them met the undercover cop in public first. So if you insist on meeting in public, than prepare to be arrested.

 

Jake --it seems to me if there is a police sting operation going on it isn't going to matter whether they meet in public or in the room. Either way unless the 'victim' figures it out and doesn't mention money or sex acts, he's going to be arrested.

 

Now if you mean that if the escort or client insists on meeting publicly there might be a good chance of the situation being a sting that I can understand.

 

Gman

[corndog]

NEVER meet in the lobby... the safest thing to do is to meet only with well-reviewed escorts

 

Jake, I think we all appreciate your contribution to this conversation. Other than sticking only to well-reviewed escorts, do you have any other positive suggestions to increase safety?

[marylander1940]

NEVER meet in the lobby. It most definitely is not "safer" ... in fact, it dramatically increases ones odds of being arrested in a sting operation. No escort in his right mind would ever met someone in a lobby. And no client should do so either, unless you want your name and photo plastered on the news for being arrested for solicitation. Additionally, meeting in a lobby would not in any way have prevented something like this horrible robbing described, as meeting someone in a lobby gives you no guarantee whatsoever that there are not several guys waiting in a room to overpower and rob someone. Quite the opposite, only knowing the room number in advance, and meeting there, gives one greater comfort, as you know if there's the slightest problem, when you leave, you can walk right to hotel management as well as the police and complain. Thus, you're far safer meeting someone in their hotel room, instead of the lobby. Keep in mind, the safest thing to do is to meet only with well-reviewed escorts, who have multiple positive reviews on trusted sites like this one.

 

Exactly!

 

Besides you can make plans by email, meet at the lobby and get mugged at the corridor of the 9th floor or even better be pushed into the stairs and get mugged there too. Big hotels have a lot of places to hide.

 

Untraceable! The perfect crime!!!

 

Ask the room number by text, save it, sending to a friend and go there. If something happens and you go missing the cops WILL get all the texts from your cellphone.

[bigvalboy]

Meeting in public will make no difference. You're giving very bad advice, and deluding yourself on the sense of security you feel by meeting in public. I've been escorting for over 15 years, and have never once met anyone in public for the first time. Yet from all of my fellow escorts (and clients) whom I know have been arrested, more than 2/3rds of them met the undercover cop in public first. So if you insist on meeting in public, than prepare to be arrested.

 

 

lol lol...There are no absolutes here. We all have our own set of rules that we go by. What works for you, may not work for me. I have never been arrested and I have been hiring for close to 40 years. Started at 17...and I have never met someone at their room first, never.... unless it was an escort as well known as a Brandan Steele or Marc Dylan, or someone that is recommended to me by a personal friend. It is the lobby and a drink or dinner first, or nothing at all.

 

I can't count the number of friends of mine that have gotten robbed or assaulted by going to the room of an unkown escort first. Once you see one of your friends in the hospital who got beat up by some escort, you tend to establish some rules for yourself, and one of them is that only I set the parameters of the hire.

 

I remember hiring an escort once off the internet, and I suggested dinner and drinks then a two hour session. He agreed, but when the day arrived, he began side-stepping the issue of dinner. I reiterated my plan to have drinks and dinner first, when he avoided a response a second time, and asked what time I was coming over, I said simply, "I'm not coming over" and hung up the phone. What's that old saying, "Don't try and bullshit a bullshitter"...

[marylander1940]

I can't count the number of friends of mine that have gotten robbed or assaulted by going to the room of an unkown escort first...

 

Do you think this forum needs a new area for muggings?

 

I didn't know it's such as wide spread...

[Steven_Draker]

A robbery victim can easily say he went to a room to meet someone he chatted with on the phone, and when when he got to the room, he was robbed. It's all true. And he never has to mention anything about escorts or pay.

 

Point well taken.

 

How many do you think actually report such a robbery?

[Steven_Draker]

lol lol...There are no absolutes here. We all have our own set of rules that we go by. What works for you, may not work for me. I have never been arrested and I have been hiring for close to 40 years. Started at 17...and I have never met someone at their room first, never.... unless it was an escort as well known as a Brandan Steele or Marc Dylan, or someone that is recommended to me by a personal friend. It is the lobby and a drink or dinner first, or nothing at all.

 

I can't count the number of friends of mine that have gotten robbed or assaulted by going to the room of an unkown escort first. Once you see one of your friends in the hospital who got beat up by some escort, you tend to establish some rules for yourself, and one of them is that only I set the parameters of the hire.

 

I remember hiring an escort once off the internet, and I suggested dinner and drinks then a two hour session. He agreed, but when the day arrived, he began side-stepping the issue of dinner. I reiterated my plan to have drinks and dinner first, when he avoided a response a second time, and asked what time I was coming over, I said simply, "I'm not coming over" and hung up the phone. What's that old saying, "Don't try and bullshit a bullshitter"...

 

I hope someone will bring some sanity here ...

[McLeanspider]

Jake, I think we all appreciate your contribution to this conversation. Other than sticking only to well-reviewed escorts, do you have any other positive suggestions to increase safety?

 

Yes, man up and report crimes.

[johnf]

I'm sorry the guy refused to call police. As long as we continue to let the closet rule our behavior, then predators will believe they're immune.

[+ Gar1eth]

lol lol...There are no absolutes here. We all have our own set of rules that we go by. What works for you, may not work for me. I have never been arrested and I have been hiring for close to 40 years. Started at 17...and I have never met someone at their room first, never.... unless it was an escort as well known as a Brandan Steele or Marc Dylan, or someone that is recommended to me by a personal friend. It is the lobby and a drink or dinner first, or nothing at all.

 

I can't count the number of friends of mine that have gotten robbed or assaulted by going to the room of an unkown escort first. Once you see one of your friends in the hospital who got beat up by some escort, you tend to establish some rules for yourself, and one of them is that only I set the parameters of the hire.

 

I remember hiring an escort once off the internet, and I suggested dinner and drinks then a two hour session. He agreed, but when the day arrived, he began side-stepping the issue of dinner. I reiterated my plan to have drinks and dinner first, when he avoided a response a second time, and asked what time I was coming over, I said simply, "I'm not coming over" and hung up the phone. What's that old saying, "Don't try and bullshit a bullshitter"...

See this wouldn't work for me- I'd probably be too full after dinner that I wouldn't either be able to or just wouldn't enjoy sex. I've asked some guys for dinner afterwards- but usually it's been an overnight and dinner was part of my overnight plans.

 

Gman

[+ tristanbaldwin]

Wow. An absolutely insane; sad story. The fact that this thing happened in a HILTON of all places, and involved so many thugs just to lift $300 off an older gay man? Agreed, this preying on those who are afraid to report crimes given their situations. Now, as an escort- in order to have an ad on Rentboy, you need to have a billing point of contact. Credit card, Paypal, what have you. Credit cards...even prepaid Green Dot cards, eventually extract your social security # and name within two weeks of issue; I've got one sitting right in front of me. Doesn't paypal require an actual bank account to link to their deposit system? That would mean having a real name..so if the funding source can be traced for who paid for the ad...regardless of who the pictures are; I hope this robbed client can recall, to be able to jam them. Even if they took down their ad; the waybackmachine.com, can look at a website as it was, on a given date- so even if they took down their ad, you should be able to track it down.

 

Here's two horror stories clients have shared with me; and I wish these escorts could receive beatings. One, client is up in Boston, asks me for recommendations, given that I was out of town- told him I couldn't vouch for anyone at that point in time. Ends up getting a kid on craigslist...shows up 2.5 hrs late, looks good, does the deed..and does it well, believe it or not...but then says "Hey...I came here on a bus, and unfortunately the system isn't running this late at night. Can I stay here with you and leave in the AM?" Client agrees, kid wasn't trying to hustle an overnight or anything... and they settle in. Client is a bit heavier, so he's a deep sleeper...awakens to find briefcase gone, cellphone gone, keys gone, etc. Married, can't call the police, for fear of them following up at his house. Has to literally take it on the chin, and that's not right.

 

Second situation, awesome guy in NYC, seeing an escort that he already has a good relationship/rapport with. Escort shows up, only this time...he's bringing a friend that agrees to jump in for free, as a 'trial run', because he wants the client to start seeing him too. Anything that sounds too good to be true, usually is. Escort who already has positive rapport with client, roams house freely(knowing the layout), while other scumbag escort distracts him in the shower. Steals Rolex watch.

 

Love me or hate me, that's your preference..but I have cannot tell you how angry it gets me when escorts outright steal from clients who invite them in to hearth and home. That's the gravest of misdeeds. Wish there were more escorts can do to police their own industry.

 

Heading to Alaska, out of touch for a few. Hope you all are well!

 

TB

[McLeanspider]

I'm sorry the guy refused to call police. As long as we continue to let the closet rule our behavior, then predators will believe they're immune.

 

I agree with you!

 

Let me tell you what I told my cousin when her husband beat her up over and over again.... "you were feminist enough in the 80's to open your legs with a lot of strangers and have fun, be a feminist now and report your husband to the cops, don't be a 50's housewife about this".

 

If you can't report because you have a wife and are in the closet, please stick to well-reviewed escorts who would never do something like this to ruin their careers.

[corndog]

...as an escort- in order to have an ad on Rentboy, you need to have a billing point of contact.

 

Any thoughts or experience with the Rentboy people in this regard? I'm skeptical that the folks at Rentboy would be particularly cooperative in revealing the real identity of one of their clients, even if they were accused of a crime. Theoretically, I suppose that they could be subpoenaed, but I don't see that happening unless it was a really serious case, like a homicide.

[MalcomXpark]

Any thoughts or experience with the Rentboy people in this regard? I'm skeptical that the folks at Rentboy would be particularly cooperative in revealing the real identity of one of their clients, even if they were accused of a crime. Theoretically, I suppose that they could be subpoenaed, but I don't see that happening unless it was a really serious case, like a homicide.

 

As long as the escort's iphone isn't prepaid, you can always get his information after reporting the crime to the police. A cellphone/iphone number is easier to trace then an IP addres, the only problem is if sexually explicit text messages were exchanged about sex for money it could back-fire.

 

I don't say anything illegal by text (money x sex = prostitution) and I only hire escorts with a reviews and leave the "diamonds in the rough" of backpage and craigslist for others to take the risk.

[Dave]

I first got wind of this right after it happened. my friend who is also an escort in dc had this guy (the 69yo client) as his client, too. just after it happened, the client called up my buddy to tell him what happened. my friend contacted me to see if I had any insight. my insight was "report it to the cops immediately." turns out my buddy already recommended that to his client. we all know that the client refused to do so. what a shame, not only does this revolve around shame (either sexual orientation shame, or hiring shame, or a combination thereof) but it also allows the thieving, assaulting guys to do it again to someone else.

 

you know, this business of hiring is so full of shame that it seems to paralyze people sometimes. truly unfortunate, its like seeing the glass half empty, with you as the client being either a victim, or nervous, or guilty, or embarrassed - instead of half full, where you as the client actually have confidence, or equal power and respect and control. I wish I knew that 69yo guy. I would have liked to call him up and talk with him after that horrible situation.

 

...as an escort- in order to have an ad on Rentboy, you need to have a billing point of contact. Credit card, Paypal, what have you. Credit cards...even prepaid Green Dot cards, eventually extract your social security # and name within two weeks of issue; I've got one sitting right in front of me. Doesn't paypal require an actual bank account to link to their deposit system? That would mean having a real name...

 

Tristan, I think you had some good things to say in your post, but just to clarify a couple things... Rentboy does not need to be paid with credit card or paypal. you can also pay with cash, or a money order, or even a gift card (those things they sell in stores). so no, Rentboy may not have any idea who the guy is that way.

as for Paypal, they do not require an actual bank account, but they sure as hell try to pull it from you. so ostensibl,y that guy could have a Paypal account that couldnt be traced back to anyone - only an email address.

[marylander1940]

As long as the escort's iphone isn't prepaid, you can always get his information after reporting the crime to the police. A cellphone/iphone number is easier to trace then an IP address....

 

All this talk between "the legendary Dave" and Tristan Baldwin about how to pay rentboy while backpage is free and so many guys out there imagine discovering a fresh boy who wants help to pay for college...

 

You can always track a cellphone, unless is prepaid.

 

After reading all the information and having received some PM about muggings do happening all over the country, I've changed my mind gentlemen, I will meet new guys who aren't reviewed at the lobby.