Buffy Series Finale

[Rod Hagen]

Thoughts?

[Guest DrBedlow]

Sad beyond words. It was a great episode!

 

I watch very little television, and Buffy was one of the very few good things on. I feel a little lost this morning:-(

 

One disappointing thing about last night (beside the show coming to an end), Joss never revealed to us why Anya has such a fear of bunnies? I guess I'll just be plagued with that until my end.

[Rod Hagen]

Of course Anya (R.I.P.) feared bunnies; they're little balls of fluffy terror.

 

Good not great episode. Glad the show's over. Also wish it'd ended after season 5, a stronger episode with much better closure, but at least it didn't thrash about to keep from drowning as long as X-files did.

 

I really didn't see the point of killing Anya off (but leaving the one-season only principal breathing). But if Joss wanted to kill one regular, after deciding buffy would NOT die (I actually really thought she would) it makes sense that the ORIGINAL 3 + Giles would remain alive. Still, at least kill the Principal and Andrew if you're going to kill Anya, OR better yet don't kill Anya. Or best of all, kill Andrew. Also, Don't you think everyone adapted to her being dead quite well? Xander was even making jokes 30 seconds after confirming the details of her death with Andrew.

 

1) I am very glad Joss (who wrote and directed this episode-where the fuck has HE been the last 2 seasons?) brought back the joking scoobies, and made everything right, and funny, between them (and Giles).

 

1) why did they wait until they got into the hell

mouth for willow to make them all slayers?

 

3) what kind of end was that?

 

4) why was anya the only regular one to die?

 

5) how will they fix this?

 

6) how will 'angel' be affected now that he's in a

world full of slayers -- there are bound to be one or

two (or more) in la.

 

7) why didn't dawn die?

 

8) why didn't xander die?

 

9) how does buffy get stabbed through the mid section,

fall down nearly uncon, then get up and start fighting

(and the rest)?

 

10) why didn't xander die? -- i've waited years for

that!

 

11) so now they'll use magic to bring back spike since

he died mystically -- but he'll be human (a la darla).

what good will he be?

[Guest Big14U]

I saw the finale and loved it.

 

We know that Spike will be back on Angel so somehow he survives.

 

As far as Anya - it was an easy choice for shock value... it made the battle far more believable that at least one of the Scooby gang ( pardon the pun ) bites it.

 

The others all have spin-off value, especially Willow. As for Xander, when Caleb grabbed him he said something to the effect -- Ah, the one who see's, then blinded him in one eye. I have a feeling that if we ever see Xander again he has somekind of forsight.

 

It's been mentioned that Josh would like to have Giles return to England and do a series based there, but I just read that Anthony Head is returning to England to do a different series.

 

 

My personal preference is to have a series based on Willow. I think it was Josh's best written character along with superbly acted by Allison Hannigan. She along with Sarah should at least have been nominated in years past.

 

I didn't start watching till the later part of the 4th season, but now have the first 3 on DVD and have caught all the episodes on reruns.

 

Yes I admit it, I'm a Buffy fan, a belated one but one that now misses it. Thankfully Angel is still on.

[sdg]

hey big,

 

how do we know spike will be on angel??

[Guest sniper]

>Of course Anya (R.I.P.) feared bunnies; they're little balls

>of fluffy terror.

>

>Good not great episode. Glad the show's over. Also wish

>it'd ended after season 5, a stronger episode with much better

>closure, but at least it didn't thrash about to keep from

>drowning as long as X-files did.

>

>I really didn't see the point of killing Anya off (but leaving

>the one-season only principal breathing). But if Joss wanted

>to kill one regular, after deciding buffy would NOT die (I

>actually really thought she would) it makes sense that the

>ORIGINAL 3 + Giles would remain alive. Still, at least kill

>the Principal and Andrew if you're going to kill Anya, OR

>better yet don't kill Anya. Or best of all, kill Andrew.

>Also, Don't you think everyone adapted to her being dead quite

>well? Xander was even making jokes 30 seconds after

>confirming the details of her death with Andrew.

>

>1) I am very glad Joss (who wrote and directed this

>episode-where the fuck has HE been the last 2 seasons?)

>brought back the joking scoobies, and made everything right,

>and funny, between them (and Giles).

>

>1) why did they wait until they got into the hell

> mouth for willow to make them all slayers?

Who knows. They should have made it a two hour episode so they could fill in the gaps. Joss had MUCH greater attention to detail than the latest writers. They've been ridiculously short on exposition nthis season, especially given how much time they've had to tell the story. At least they didn't spend 30 min of the 45 minute epoisode in the living room bitching about how hard life is like they did in half the shows this season...

 

 

 

> 3) what kind of end was that?

Actually, in retrospect I think the ending was very appropriate if you view the show as a metaphor for Buffy's adolescence. It was a long hard struggle that she went throuhg pretty much alone and now that it's over you can't look back and really see what it was like.

 

> 4) why was anya the only regular one to die?

Because Joss long ago promised that the 4 core members who were untouchable were Buffy, Xander, Giles, and Willow.

> 5) how will they fix this?

Well, they might be able to bring her back as she had been a demon.

 

> 6) how will 'angel' be affected now that he's in a

> world full of slayers -- there are bound to be one or

> two (or more) in la.

I'm guessing they'll conveniently ignore it so they can maintain their "champion" theme...

 

> 7) why didn't dawn die?

Dawn? I always referred to her as "Cousin Oliver"...

 

 

 

> 8) why didn't xander die?

See #4

 

 

> 9) how does buffy get stabbed through the mid section,

> fall down nearly uncon, then get up and start fighting

> (and the rest)?

Her magical helaing powers. It was interesting that when she fell the other slayers started losing their fights, and they all resurged when she got her second wind. Maybe there's more to this that will come out in a movie or in Angel.

 

The bigger question is how did the normal humans manage to do so well agianst the ubervamps, and slayers take them one several at a time, when Buffy got beated to a pulp by one? The "Buffy getse her ass kicked for no apparent reason, mopes for a while, then tuns the tables for no apparent reason" has been overused the last 2 seasons.

 

> 10) why didn't xander die? -- i've waited years for

> that!

Xandr has been horribly unappreciated and the writers are to blame. In the first couple of seasons, you saw him grow, then they apprently decided to make him a bigger loser as an adult than he had been as a teenager. The nadir of this was his slap-fight with Harmony.

 

 

> 11) so now they'll use magic to bring back spike since

> he died mystically -- but he'll be human (a la darla).

> what good will he be?

 

Who knows what he'll be? Or if he'll be borught back or come back on his own?

 

As for Xander losing his eye, the "You're the one who sees things" was a reference to the little pep talk he gave to Dawn, where he said something to the effect of, "We don't go off and fight the battles. But we see them." It was the episode where they thought for a while that Dawn was a Potential.

 

I was happier with the final episode than with the rest of the season, but given all the dead air time wasted this season, they could have wrapped things up better, and maybe given the supporting characters better sendoffs. Like maybe a scens of Xander finding Anya's body. And actually having a remotely appropriate reaction to his lover's death.

 

And, of course, killing off Andrew.

[Guest sniper]

Oh, and the Bunnies thing - A running gag on the show has been that Anya is deathly afraid of rabbits.

In the flashback to her pre-demon days in the 12th Century, she actually raised them, planning to give them to her fellow villagers(she also apprently was unselfish in her first human life). Exactly how she went to fearing them is not clear.

[Guest Big14U]

James Marsters ( Spike ) said in an interview Josh asked if he would join Angel and he said yes. Josh has stated that a couple of characters from Buffy would join Angel next season. They can ditch the Fred and Gun characters no problem to make room. Two characters I couldn't care less about. Thank goodness they got rid of the kid. The absolute worst actor I've ever seen on a regular tv show.

 

As for Xanders's eyesight problem, I still think at some point in the future Xander acquires an ability. Josh is known for forshadowing years in advance ( Willow's lesbian vampire from season two, Willow becoming a lesbian season 4 ).

[sdg]

thanks Big, I hope it happens. like spike and know someone who was blown away by him dying. agree with you about gun and fred but I like the kid. just saw him in a movie with andy garcia and thought he was good.

[Rod Hagen]

>As for Xanders's eyesight problem, I still think at some point

>in the future Xander acquires an ability. Josh is known for

>forshadowing years in advance ( Willow's lesbian vampire from

>season two, Willow becoming a lesbian season 4 ).

 

Like Fred, HATE bitter Gun, sorry to tell you, very sorry, that Conner will be back on the show, and also sorry to tell you that Cordelia is, I'm told, going to be unseen and in her coma for much of the next season.

 

Advanced buzzes can always change according to celebreties schedules. Remember the only good Buffy episode this season, "Conversations with Dead People"? Originally Willow's Library chat partner was going to be with Tara (really The First) but Tara's people couldn't coordinate with Buffy's people on the details, so it became the other girl (who was a surprisingly good actress). That is why we didn't see Tara this season, even though Joss promised last year in interviews, just after slaughtering her, that we would. Things change, that's why I didn't put much stock in his pledge to NEVER kill the original scoobies, things change. But that promise he stuck to.

 

Just so you don't come across as a Buffy novice, Lesbian Vampire Willow's two appearances were in the third season, not the second. Remember, that's when Anya (RIP) came to town? Nevertheless, Joss sometimes foreshadows events several seasons away, you're right about that.

 

I think Caleb's words to Xander, before pushing out his eye, refered to something Xander said to Dawn, Scrappy Doo, this season. So that may actually be that.

 

I'm really surprised that Joss wrote and Directed this last episode, it was so messy. I guess the other writers had fucked things so up over the last two seasons, it was simply impossible for him to fix it all. Nevertheless, did he forget that Sunnydale had a beach? What the hell happend to Sunnydale's part of the ocean? I didn't see THAT in the final pan.