Gas and Terrorism

[Guest in yer face]

It seems to me that terrorists get way more money from us buying oil than

anything else we

buy, contrary to the ludicrous commercials on TV so here it goes. Pay

attention and buy a more fuel efficient vehicle.

 

Subject: : : GAS

 

 

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into

the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import

their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the

feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to

people

who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might

be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy

gas from. Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for the period

9/1/00 - 8/31/01).

 

Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels

Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels

Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels

Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels

Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels

 

If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18

BILLION!

 

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Citgo 0 barrels

Sunoco 0 barrels

Conoco 0 barrels

Sinclair 0 barrels

BP/Phillips 0 barrels

 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and

can be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required

to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. They

report on a monthly basis.

 

Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for

terrorism.............

 

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.

It's really simple to do!!

 

Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how

simple it is to reach millions of people!! .

 

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it

to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least

ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time the message

reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE

MILLION consumers!

 

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends

each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one

level

further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! .

 

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.

 

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to

ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could

conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

[Justice]

>Citgo 0 barrels

>Sunoco 0 barrels

>Conoco 0 barrels

>Sinclair 0 barrels

>BP/Phillips 0 barrels

>

 

Interesting statistics. I don't know how true/accurate they are and they are kind of outdated, but the subject of imported oil being use to fund at least some small portion of terrorists' operations is something has been on my mind for quite some time -- even before September 11th. I would have to drive to miles (and waste lots of gas) to get to the closest Citgo station. That would kind of defeat the purpose. The same thing applies to Sunoco. Their stations are few and far between. I don't think that I've ever seen a Conoco station. Is Sinclair still around? I haven't seen a Sincliar station in years! When I was kid, their logo was a green dinosaur and you could spot one of their stations from some distance away. My local Amoco stations have been converted into BP stations. It's something to look into. I'm fortunate in that I live in an area where I can either walk or use mass transit to get just about everywhere. I only drive when I have to.

 

There's other things that one can do to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. When I do laundry, I use cold water for just about every load. Even though I rent, I have control over my heating and cooling. I turn it on only when necessary. (I have allergies so I sometimes have to use air conditioning in order to breath -- even when the outside temperature doesn't justity it.) I also use a setting that makes sense from an energy usage standpoint -- 75 degrees for air conditioning and 65 degrees for heat.

 

I'm not that naive, I know that oil generated terrorist funding is probably very small. I also know that they'll probably find other sources of funds. But, we'll all be better off -- from both a political and an environmental point of view -- if we reduce the amount of oil that we have to import.

[Guest in yer face]

>There's other things that one can do to reduce our

>dependence on foreign oil. When I do laundry, I use cold

>water for just about every load. Even though I rent, I have

>control over my heating and cooling. I turn it on only when

>necessary. (I have allergies so I sometimes have to use air

>conditioning in order to breath -- even when the outside

>temperature doesn't justity it.) I also use a setting that

>makes sense from an energy usage standpoint -- 75 degrees

>for air conditioning and 65 degrees for heat.

>

>I'm not that naive, I know that oil generated terrorist

>funding is probably very small. I also know that they'll

>probably find other sources of funds. But, we'll all be

>better off -- from both a political and an environmental

>point of view -- if we reduce the amount of oil that we have

>to import.

 

I absolutely agree with you. Just reducing out engergy comsumption in small amounts helps in so many ways. As far as terrorism is concerned, I think the thing that should concern us is not so much that we are funding the activities of terrorists, but just how deeply involved we are in the middle east because of oil.

 

I know this is a real can of worms im opeing here, but isnt it possible that the US would not care so much about a bunch a would be third world countries if they didnt have the oil that we NEED so much? I wonder why this is not discussed by polititians more often. Why are we even in Saudi Arabia (which is a major thorn in these monsters sides)? Especially now that they have refused us the use of that base for future operations.

 

At one time, it would have seemed that pulling out of Saudi Arabia would have been cateing to the terrorist. But now that the Saudis have said no go to any future operations, wouldnt this be a good time to leave?

 

One more thought, then Ill leave you men to tell me how stupid I am If we pulled out of the middle east, stopped all oil buying from them (perhaps even an imbargo for American companies) and just left them to their own devices, what would happen? Would tehy eventually go back the tribal warfare and just kill each other off over time?

[Guest in yer face]

I have a link to more current info. This is this years import by company info from the entire Persian Gulf region. I think the data is a bit different, and would leave you with more options when shopping for gas.

 

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/data/summary2002.html

[BuckyXTC]

>

>I know this is a real can of worms im opeing here, but isnt

>it possible that the US would not care so much about a bunch

>a would be third world countries if they didnt have the oil

>that we NEED so much? I wonder why this is not discussed by

>polititians more often. Why are we even in Saudi Arabia

>(which is a major thorn in these monsters sides)? Especially

>now that they have refused us the use of that base for

>future operations.

>

>At one time, it would have seemed that pulling out of Saudi

>Arabia would have been cateing to the terrorist. But now

>that the Saudis have said no go to any future operations,

>wouldnt this be a good time to leave?

>

 

Actually, I was delighted that the Saudis refused us base and flying rights in a war against Saddam, mainly because I believe that war is ill-advised on a number of fronts. Of course, if you share the simplistic perspective of Dubya that "any country that doesn't support anything and everything you want to do is a sympathizer with terrorism", then you'll see Saudi Arabia as a terrorist state. Yes, 19 of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, but they had no more love of the Saudi ruling elite than they did for the U.S.

 

As Americans we're so over-pampered and spoiled in our lives that we'll tolerate just about any policy, foreign or domestic as long as we can keep driving our big vehicles and paying as little for gas/oil as possible. Now that the Republicans control it all, we'll hear even louder cries to drill for oil anywhere and everywhere, and the environment be damned. It's all about oil, folks! Oilmen (Bush/Cheney) are running the country. They want oil and gas prices to skyrocket because that's how they make their money, and keep their cronies happy.

 

The fox isn't guarding the henhouse now, he owns it! For those who think invading Iraq is such a good idea at the present, come back and talk to us a year later and let us know if you honestly feel safer or better off. A war that's projected to cost about 9 billion dollars a month cannot make our economy, or the world economy better. And if the collective ignorance of the American voting public decides to give Dubya a second term, the only tax cuts we'll see will be for the fat cats, but the rest will see tax increases because there will have to be some way to pay for this war, and you can bet it won't be the cronies of Bush/Cheney who do it. I think we're in store for "fascism with a smiling face".

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Of course, if you share the simplistic perspective of Dubya

>that "any country that doesn't support anything and

>everything you want to do is a sympathizer with terrorism",

>then you'll see Saudi Arabia as a terrorist state. Yes, 19

>of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, but they had no more

>love of the Saudi ruling elite than they did for the U.S.

 

Nevertheless, the Saudi ruling elite, concerned with its own power, has tried to have it both ways, enjoying American protection and oil patronage while whipping up anti-Americanism in the government-owned press and funding terrorist groups. You may find this article interesting. It's by a leftist who opposes war on Iraq but favors the US getting tougher on its "friends" in the Middle East. He wants us to withhold the billions we give to Israel until they deliver democracy for the Palestinians, but simultaneously withhold the billions we give to Egypt until they clean up their own human rights act and implement democratic reforms. And he wants us to take a similar line on Saudi oil -- we are their single biggest customer -- and while we're at it to promise trade and aid for Iran if their democracy movement succeeds. I think he too blithely dismisses Iraq's significance in the region, but his argument that the real focus in countering terrorism ultimately has to be on our "friends" in the region and not so much on our "enemies," who can be contained, makes a certain amount of sense to me.

 

http://www.thestranger.com/2002-10-17/feature.html

 

>As Americans we're so over-pampered and spoiled in our lives

>that we'll tolerate just about any policy, foreign or

>domestic as long as we can keep driving our big vehicles and

>paying as little for gas/oil as possible.

 

There is definitely a have-it-all-ways tendency on the subject of oil. We don't want drilling in OUR pristine lands, we don't want to pay more than we have to, AND we don't want tough fuel efficiency standards AND we don't want to be dependent on the Middle East. Oh, and we're having terrible relations with Venezuela. Something's going to have to give in our oil policy. The loser, for at least the near future, probably will be the environment, which is a shame.

[Justice]

>I have a link to more current info.

 

Thanks! :-)

[Guest in yer face]

Motiva is actually Shell oil by the way. They are one off the worst. In fact, the Shell division in Saudi Arabia is actually owned by the Saudi government.