Barbra says: Get out and vote Democratic!

[Guest in yer face]

>>Now we'll be pumping oil out of every

>>national park in Alaska by the time Bush is gone, all

>>alternative fuel research is being eleminated, and we have a

>>president in power that still claims that the Greenhouse

>>effect doesnt exist, even though the polar icecaps are down

>>by 1/4, and the peaks of Mount Everest are 1/8 smaller in

>>the last 10 years.

>

>Out of curiousity, what kind of car do you drive?

>

>Curiously yours,

>

>FFF

 

I dont drice, I ride a bike. However, given your last post, I can assure you that you and I have nothing to discuss. Ever.

[Guest 7Zach]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the IRS report that the top 10% of taxpayers paid 90% of the taxes for the last year audited. This came out in the last month.

[phage]

Well, I guess I asked…

 

Eighteen points, but only four of them are actual political differences. The rest are either weak generalizations or your perspective of the people. I realize though that perceptions are reality and we all see things that tend to confirm our beliefs.

 

I disagree with you about tax cuts, the role of the Federal government, reproductive choice, and school vouchers.

 

As to the rest, when I was 21 I started hanging out with a 40-year-old fag hag. Early on, she told me that she knew we were going to be friends because we hated all the same people. (I don’t know if that was a quote she picked up or original thought.) I guess politics are a lot like that and we definitely hate different people!

[Guest in yer face]

>You're 100% right on that one. Especially when one of the

>participants to a political discussion: (a) doesn't take the

>time to read a post before responding to it; and (b)doesn't

>know what party sponsored what candidate.

 

Actually, I doesnt matter who you voted for, you threw away your vote by being so contradictory. In case you havent realized, voting is just a game, like any other aspect of human nature. The way to win this game is to make sure that the lesser asshole wins. Sure Jersey didnt matter, but Florida did. Perhaps if those people had not voted for sure to lose candidates, we would not have wound up with Bush.

 

All polititians suck. Do you really think that the framers had the "Carrer Polititian" in mind when they wrote the Constitution? No, presidents were supposed to be "of the people". No we are stuck with a bunch of fools that speak about nothing that has anything to do with us during the campaign, and do even less when elected. I didnt love Gore, but I hate Bush. The other guys dont even come into my radar because there was no way they would win.

 

The Libertarian party itself is not such a great thing anyway. David Duke for 1992 anyone?

 

This is no conversation BTW. What is being discussed or learned here? We are all anonymous, all have made up our minds about what is right and wrong. I suppose that in and of itself is a good thing, that we can even do that without being executed. But there is really nothing to say that would change anyones mind or vote.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>I dont drive, I ride a bike. However, given your last post,

>I can assure you that you and I have nothing to discuss.

>Ever.

 

Out of curiosity, how many cats do you have?

 

Curiously yours,

 

FFF

[Justice]

This discussion could use a little levity. Today's Stone Soup says it all:

 

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ss/2002/ss021103.gif

 

Sorry I couldn't resist. :-)

 

Sure it's a game. I just don't like the way that its played.

 

I live in a state where every day brings a new headline of another elected or appointed official being indicted and/or convicted of something. (There's a new joke making the rounds at my office: What's the difference between the (Republican) Essex County Executive (who was just indicted on a variety of Federal charges) and the (Democratic) Hudson County Executive (who just plead guilty to a variety of Federal charges)? Answer: Their Area Codes. :'( x( )

 

I live in a state where the democratic candidate for Senate (Senator Bob Torricelli) was so flawed that he dropped out of the race -- less than five weeks before the election -- because he didn't like his poll numbers. His replacement (who was allowed to run after our Supreme Court got involved) is former Senator Frank Lautenberg -- who just happens to be a sworn political enemy of Senator Torricelli. Senator Lautenberg is 78 and was first elected to the Senate by running a campaign that -- among other things -- implied that his 72 year old opponent (former representative Millicent Fenwick) was too old. (He now claims that he didn't play the age card. He did. I was there.) Did someone say hypocrite? I'm a registered democrat and have donated money and time to Senator Lautenberg's campaigns in the past. I not sure if I'm going to vote for him again. I can't stand hypocrites. I don't like his repubican opponent -- Doug Forrester -- either.

 

So where does that leave me? I don't like the choices that I'm being offered, so I can do one of three things: not vote (which more and more people are doing. Voter turnouts are getting smaller and smaller); hold my nose and vote for a flawed candidate, which would make me a hypocrite; (I refuse to vote for someone just because of his or her political affiliation. A flawed candidate is a flawed candidate. I'm certainly not going to vote for someone just because some celebrity says that I should.); or I can vote for a third party candidate. I'm very much aware that a vote for a third party candidate won't result in my candidate winning an election. I also aware that my vote may shift the balance of power and that I'm going to have to live with the consequences of my vote. I like to think of a vote for a third party candidate as a protest vote. It lets the major parties know that I don't like the way they play the game. They just might get their acts together if more people started to vote for third party candidates.

 

And as for David Duke and the 1992 election, every polical party attracts its share of odd characters. David Duke is an extreme exception. Fortunately, he didn't get very far. For the 1992 Presidential race, the Libertarian Party nominated Andre Marrou for President and Dr. Nancy Lord for Vice-President. The ticket was on the ballot in all fifty states plus the District of Columbia and received 291,612 votes

[Donnie]

>Out of curiosity, how many cats do you have?

 

When FFF has nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say (which, if there isn't a review for him to spend much time deconstructing, is often), he does one of two things: tells you to take your meds, or says that you're a cat person who lives with his mother. The oldest, most overused and lamest comebacks since the advent of message boards. And typically Republican to be unoriginal. :+

[Guest jaws]

Then why were you compelled to quote them? Unless your last name is Drudge I think you were supporting her words.

[Guest Les]

RE: The Root Cause

 

Just to add to the conversation...this article from NYPost:

 

 

 

November 4, 2002 -- Babs sees crash conspiracy

 

SHE'S quoted bogus Shakespearean passages, misspelled the name of Sen. Dick Gephardt, and issued a position paper identifying Saddam Hussein as the "president of Iran." Now liberal activist Barbra Streisand is privately saying that Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane crash was "no accident."

 

"I was shocked but, knowing a bit about her, not surprised by her statement," a witness told The Post's Braden Keil. "She said there's more to this than meets the eye."

 

Wellstone, his wife and daughter, and five others died on Oct. 25 in a small plane crash as they were making campaign stops in his home state of Minnesota. If his replacement, Walter Mondale, doesn't win tomorrow's election, the Democratic Party could lose conrol of the Senate.

 

Streisand expressed her paranoid conspiracy theory to an audience of interior designers bidding on the chance to decorate a planned addition to her Malibu estate.

 

The singer, who recently sold her triplex on Central Park West for half of what she originally asked three years ago, gave up looking for another apartment in New York and is sending her furniture out west, where she is building a separate building to house the antique items.

 

"She's asked five top West Coast designers to bid on a project to incorporate her New York furniture into a farmhouse-like addition on her Malibu estate," said the source.

 

In a letter to the five candidates bidding for the job, she tells the prospects she won't have time to discuss anything until after the election.

 

"She then says they better be voting Democratic and goes into a long political missive about reproductive choice, the Supreme Court, the environment and the power of the right wing," adds the source.

 

Babs' Web site - which hawks everything from soup mugs to golf balls - consists largely of her political statements, with a big section defending her screw-ups.

 

Last year, her site urged fans to be more energy-efficient even while she criss-crossed the country on fossil fuel-sucking private jets, roamed the roads in gas-guzzling limos and SUVs, and vacationed on big power boats.

 

Streisand also urged her fellow Americans to set air conditioners at 78 degrees. One source told Keil that Babs kept the 16 rooms in her unoccupied Central Park West triplex as cold as a meat locker.

 

And don't forget the time Streisand urged everyone to conserve energy by hanging laundry outside on lines, rather than use electric clothes dryers. But when asked if Streisand herself was using a backyard clothesline, her spokesman said: "She never meant that it necessarily applied to her."

[Will]

>Perhaps you should base your opinions...more on Ayn Rand. Republicans and Democrats both deserve to go to hell just different rungs of it.

 

Whether all Republicans and all Democrats deserve to go to hell is not for me to say. If I had to guess, I say some of each. But I'd also bet that whoever winds up in hell, regardless of his political party, will spend all of eternity in the company of your Guru of Choice. I'm sure she's got her own office right next door to the Head Honcho's. And I wouldn't be surprised that even he is required to sharpen her pitchfork before she gets to work every morning, or else she'll skewer his diabolical balls on his own pitchfork and roast them over the sulphurous flames for her lunch.

[Guest fukamarine]

Perhaps "Her Babs-ship" will try her own run for President in '04. Don't laugh - who would have ever guessed Regan would one day be our leader when he was making all those awfull B grade flics way back when.

 

She could belt out Hello Dolly at her inauguration!

 

fukamarine

[woodlawn]

>>Please, enlighten us. I long ago made up my mind that it

>>was stupid for a gay person to be a member of the Republican

>>Party, but I’m always open to hearing the other point of

>>view.

>

>1. I'm strong on national defense - Democrats want

>permission from the UN and the French

 

Whether attacking Iraq has anything to do with defending America is an open question. In fact the budget plan proposed by Gore during the 2000 campaign would have allocated more money to DoD than the Bush plan did. Prior to 9/11 Bush told DoD that they were getting an additional appropriation for 2003 that was about half what Rumsfeld was asking for. And Bush is currently trying to make significant cuts in veterans benefits.

 

>2. I'm for tax cuts - Democrats are not

 

The tax rebates given out to most taxpayers were Lieberman's idea. Bush initially opposed them but jumped on the bandwagon when he saw how popular the idea was.

 

>3. I'm for a smaller Federal government - Democrats see

>Washington as a font of knowledge and wisdom

 

Which federal agency do you want to eliminate? FDA? FAA? FBI? Republicans always talk about cutting the size of government but they have trouble being specific.

 

>4. I want everyone to have a level playing field - Democrats

>are for racial politics and Affirmative Action

 

After 200 years of affirmative action for white males, isn't it time someone else had a chance?

 

>5. I'm pro-life - Democrats have no problem with the

>practice of sucking the brains out of unborn babies.

 

Democrats think the decision about the life of a fetus should be made by the mother, Republicans think it should be made by the government. How do people who are in favor of executing teenagers and the retarded describe themselves as 'pro-life'?

 

>6. I loathe Jesse Jackson - Democrats stick their tongues up

>his ass

 

Jesse Jackson spent his early career marching with Dr. King. What did Strom Thurmond spend his early career doing?

 

>7. I'm for legal immigration - Democrats want to put a

>welcome mat out on our borders

 

Few Republican leaders want to hamper immigration because they realize that agribusiness and the hospitality industry couldn't survive without a huge supply of low-wage immigrant labor.

 

>8. I recognize that Clinton is a liar and a rapist -

>Democrats applaud him.

 

Clinton lied about his personal life. Reagan and Bush lied about a secret plan to to sell weapons to Iran and funnel the money to support a civil war in Nicaragua. Which seems more serious to you?

 

>9. I believe in equal rights - Democrats believe in special

>rights

 

Which of the rights that gays and lesbians want are 'special rights,' the right to get married, the right to serve in the military, the right to rent an apartment if they have the money for it?

 

>10. I believe in personal responsibility - Democrats exploit

>the religion of victimhood

 

If Republicans believed in personal responsibility they wouldn't support laws that allow wealthy Americans or big corporations to avoid income taxes by renouncing their American citizenship.

 

>11. I recognize the "wealthy" are the ones who create jobs -

>Democrats demonize them

 

The vast majority of new jobs each year are created by small businesses.

 

>12. I believe in honest debate - Democrats believe in

>practice of personal destruction - as perfected by the

>Clintons

 

Dubya lied in his third debate with Gore when he took credit for the patients' bill of rights in Texas even though he opposed it and refused to sign it. If you believe in honest debate you can't support him.

 

>13. I believe Hillary is a crook and a liar - Democrats

>would love for her to be President

 

If Republicans are going to appoint liars and adulterers like Hyde, Burton and Watts to important leadership positions in Congress then you have no reason to balk at Hillary.

 

>14. Republicans have Bill Bennett - Democrats have James

>Carville

 

Other than being a notable failure as Drug Czar, what is Bennett's claim to fame?

 

>15. Republicans mourn their dead - Democrats have political

>rallies

 

I find it impossible to criticize a dead man's son and friends for exhorting others to carry on his fight. A man's memorial service should be run by those who cared for him, not by those who hated him.

 

>16. I love Jeanne Kirkpatrick - Jimmy Carter won the Nobel

>Peace Prize

 

Carter should have gotten two prizes, one for Camp David and the other for the Panama Canal Treaty. Both are among the major foreign policy accomplishments of the past fifty years. He probably should have gotten a third prize for persuading Daniel Ortega to step down when he lost the election in Nicaragua.

 

>17. Reagan dramatically contributed to the demise of the

>Soviet Union - Democrats fought him every step of the way

 

Reagan's covert plan to sell arms to the Iranians seems like a very good thing to fight.

 

>18. I'm for school choice - Democrats are in bed with the

>teachers' union

 

So far the 'choice' aspect of Bush's education bill has been a huge failure. Only a tiny percentage of people eligible to move their children out of failing schools have opted to do so.

[Guest Dan]

Favorite Barbra song

 

Mine's Stoney End.

 

Dan Dare

http://gaydar.co.uk/dandarela