What escorts face day to day and why should it be kept quiet

[Boston Guy]

Nice post, Adriano. It reminds me once again why I've always enjoyed reading whatever you had to write.

 

BG

[Guest alanm]

I joined this forum ten years ago, this is one of the best and most interesting threads ever.

 

I have learned some things. I was never super concerned with privacy. I thought experienced escorts kept at least minimal records of their repeat (or potentially repeat) clients. I recently discovered that I was wrong when a very well know and highly respected escort contacted me through this site to remind him of the particulars of a two-hour session we had about a year ago.

 

So thanks to everyone. I particularly want to mention deej's comments; they may have been brief, but he posted just at the right moment.

[NYTomcat]

It may surprise you but we're not all against it. I think it's actually a good idea, with some very bad potential fallout.

 

We used to have a private forum where only escorts could post or read, with the intent that they should be able to share this kind of information. Predictably, conversations got heated and one escort got his panties in a wad and pasted private information into a public thread to embarrass another escort.

 

I know one escort who was drugged by a client, and while he was unconscious he was raped. Bareback. That client, IMO, forfeited any claim on privacy. But across the board? Do we paint all clients with that brush?

 

I understand the worry from the client side, and the issue from the escort's side. It's not a simple (or new) issue. Clients are worried their "private doings" will be exposed. Simple answer: give no cause. But as I said earlier, fights between escorts can have unintended and unrelated consequences.

 

It's a tough nut to crack.

 

Ok I go away for the weekend and we have what I think has been missing on the forum. an actual discussion about escorting issues. Thank you Ryan for sticking you head out on the chopping block and saying it. and what a lovely head too.

 

Im with deej on this one and maybe even more so...

 

Wow. You've posted some very thought provoking and deeply personal posts recently Ryan, and I appreciate your willingness to be so open and to take the risk of being so frank about your thoughts and concerns.

This is certainly an intense thread and seems to bring up a lot of stuff for people.

 

It seems to me that the MINIMUM standard for escorts is to meet what I call the three "P"s

Presence - If you make an appointment, show up!

Performance - If you said you offer the service, provide it!

Privacy - After the session, DO NOT discuss the client with other parties. PERIOD.

To that extent, I totally agree with the posters who raise concerns regarding client's privacy being violated by escorts sharing personal information.

 

On the flip side, if a client does not pay for services which were rendered, he is no longer a client, but a thief.

If a client assaults or injures an escort, he is no longer a client, but a criminal.

Thieves and criminals do NOT have a right to commit their acts in private.

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I think this says it all. Moreover from what I have been reading this so called "blacklist" which I would more likely call a warning label is not open to scrutiny... does not contain information about the client... it is simply logged by phone number. A phone number that no escort could access unless they already have the phone number from the client. So the information is what... stored in a M4RN Database.... is that truly whats worrying you... cause if so I better warn you anyone on daddy's can track your IP right back to your front door, mobile phone, etc.... get over it. There is no such thing as privacy anymore. Learn to live with it

 

Moreover. Escorts should not warn others of rip off artists, theives, or worse. all in the name of protecting the privacy of a client who has screwed them, harmed them , hurt them, robbed them so that his phone number will not be entered on a blind list that could only be found by someone already possessing the number. Really... Really are we really going to espouse that as the responsible way the profession should be handled.

 

Ryan,

 

I don't understand why you feel the need to repeatedly defend yourself to people espousing a false dichotomy who can't even accept your basic premise: the client's privacy is assured until they try to scam or fuck over the escort. They continue to put forth this simplistic nonsense that if an escort violates some bullshit professional code of conduct that they made up in their own minds that they should be on the shitlist no matter what the circumstance.

 

Damn I really can't believe there are also regulars here that defending the canard that since the activity occurs outside this country's bullshit moralistic legal boundaries that all expectation of security goes away and it's dog-eat-dog every man for himself.

 

I don't see that you have to justify your security choices to anybody here, you need to protect your and your fellow escorts' asses from the slimy sleazebags who abuse your trust and generosity. It's great that you are opening the dialog though, and I enjoy your openhearted insight and diplomatic skills.

 

I'll shut up now...

 

Honestly Raife I dont think you should. We expect escorts to protect out privacy. we come to a sight to assure we only get the ones who do... and who are safe ... and who are good at what they do. Reviews work as do the conversations we have here about the escorts to help us maintain our safety and enjoyment. I see no reason under any circumstance an escort shouldn't use this client database review system "blacklist" I sure as hell use one to know who I am hiring.

 

and sometimes I even Hire an escort who has a hit on the blacklist but I make an informed choice. Why shouldnt escorts have that right in the limited fashion being presented here. The answer... they should

[Guest mvan1]

 

.. is that truly whats worrying you... cause if so I better warn you anyone on daddy's can track your IP right back to your front door, mobile phone, etc.... get over it. There is no such thing as privacy anymore. Learn to live with it

 

 

The above statement is only partially true.

 

The correct portion of the quote is that a member's IP address is known to this site when a member accesses this site.

 

The IP address discloses only a member's service provider (the company that provides the internet signal to the member) and the location (city and State) of the IP address.

 

Any additional information about the subscriber (name, address etc.) using that IP address is available (legally) from the service provider only by the use of a subpoena.

 

For a court to issue a subpoena for an internet provider to release private data on a subscriber would mean that the subscriber allegedly did some egregious violations of the law.

 

A court would not issue an order to provide information simply based on curiosity.

 

If a site did obtain private information about a member and furnished that data to unauthorized individuals, and the member was later harmed as a result, the site would (could) suffer serious legal consequences.

[Boston Guy]

There is no such thing as privacy anymore. Learn to live with it.

 

This is single most worrying thing posted in this thread.

 

Most Americans have no idea how much their privacy has already been compromised and most have not thought through the issues or problems that may arise as privacy is eroded more and more. Mainly, it's the folks in information technology who think about these issues and, frankly, we're also the ones with our fingers in the till.

 

Loss of individual privacy has more potential to erode our liberty than any other threat that I see on the horizon. I shake my head in despair sometimes that most people seem unconcerned about it.

 

BG

[doitb4ugo]

Only a great leader can make a difference...we do not have one on the horizon.

 

I agree Boston Guy. I think much of this thinking comes from 2 sources (each disparate):

 

1. People in this country for the most part believe in the theory of "good intensions". We assume that all people we deal with hve only good intention...they may be wrong-headed but the mean well in theor own world view. Perhaps the most dangerous becuase most societal large scale eveil is committed by people thinking they are doing the right thing.
   
2. There is a feeling of helplessness that anyone can do anything about these large conceptual issues that do not manifest themselves in some concrete way. I can hep victims of a disaster but do not know of any way to combat privacy...Only when people are individualy affected in large numbers will people see the immediate danger..we will have already slid way down that proverbial slope by then.