My New opinion on M4RN client reviews

[Boston Guy]

However, you are on M4M Escort Message Board. Most people here don't care what you consider right or true. If you want to be successful you have to tell them what they WANT TO HEAR !

 

I hate that what you say is true but time has proved that you are largely, if not completely, correct. Unfortunately, escorts and clients appear here in a forum in which clients are prospects. This forum is a combination of sales and marketing tool for escorts and whenever anyone is in a room full of prospects, they need to be very careful when they open their mouth. It's true no matter what you're selling.

 

I hate it because this place is the only place I know where escorts and clients really can carry on a discussion. It would be wonderful if that could be open and honest but I'd advise any escort who asked me how to participate here to tread very carefully unless they already had a stable client base and weren't really looking for more clients.

 

A few escorts have successfully navigated the Message Center for long periods of time, but they have been few and far between.

 

That being said, I wasn't aware that escorts are allowed to review clients on M4RN. Personally, I would count on my intuition and gut and I would make sure (I don't like the term "screening") to get a personal feel of any new client I'm seeing (thru email exchange and phone conversation). That's worth far more than any black list.

 

Cheers,

 

You are a smart man.

 

BG

[Boston Guy]

mvan1,

Don't base your hiring decisions only to the postings on this board. We're all very different in the real life from what we are on a message board and that goes in both directions (if you see what I'm talking about). That opinion has been expressed multiples times by many posters and I'm agreeing to it.

 

Cheers,[/color]

 

Not only are you a smart man, you are a wise man, too.

 

BG

[SteveStacks]

I agree. As hot as Steven's body is, I have to say the smart and wise parts are my favorite parts of him. Although that ass of his......*whew!*

[Guest RyanCade]

they need to be very careful when they open their mouth. It's true no matter what you're selling

. It's always been clear and thats why there aren't many escorts who participate regularly. If we are supposed to be using two heads instead of one, you might need to know what both heads think. If one head is being VERY careful when they open their mouth, things become a little one sided. Don't they???

 

tread very carefully unless they already had a stable client base and weren't really looking for more clients.

I have been told that on many many occasions and as you know I rarely listen. But in my experience, my posting attracts exactly the kind of "gentleman" that I enjoy spending time with. I have met some of the most amazing people with depth and character, who treat me well, and my posting hear played a large part in their decision to hire me. That's from them not me. I have met several posters as well as several lurkers, and hope to continue attracting those men who appreciate me. I am not looking to be a pampered pent house baby. This job has been a blessing to me and yes I do take it very seriously.

 

A few escorts have successfully navigated the Message Center for long periods of time, but they have been few and far between.

"Successfully navigate" ? "few and far between" ?? That is enough to indicate a serious double standard issue to me.

 

 

You are a smart man.

 

BG

[Boston Guy]

"successfully navigate" ? "few and far between" ?? That is enough to indicate a serious double standard issue to me.

 

Undoubtedly. But no more or less than would be true for anyone who is selling a product or service and who is participating in a forum that is largely comprised of his customers. In fact, it's really not much different than when I'm participating in a forum maintained for my company's customers and prospects. I simply do not feel able to speak my mind on any number of issues. That doesn't bother me, because I'm not there for fun. I'm there as a representative of my company and my goal is to keep our current customers happy and attract new customers. It's business, so I don't mind that I need to behave myself. When I want to have fun, I turn to other venues.

 

BG

[Leap Year]

I am appalled by this feature. So much for "client confidentiality"! First, where is the disclosure to the clients that they may be reviewed? There should be a disclosure on every escort review page that if a prospective client hires that escort, they may be reviewed. Second, escorts are given the opportunity to respond to clients' reviews. Where is the same right for the clients? Third, escorts have the ability to view client reviews, do clients have the ability to review escorts reviews of them? Daddy, you should be ashamed of yourself. This feature goes against everything I thought this site was about... a place for clients to review and view reviews of escorts with a degree of anonymity. I can tell you one thing, I will never hire an escort reviewed here again.

[Boston Guy]

I think you have misunderstood. The feature in question is provided by the Men4RentNow escort site (commonly referred to as M4RN). It has NOTHING to do with this site.

 

BG

[Guest RyanCade]

BG, There is no comparison, this is completely different and if you insist on comparing it to your office job where there is an unspoken set of social standards that people are held to, in this business those standards don't exist. You don't get naked in front of your clients and put yourself in a positition to be hurt the same way escorts do. I was a waiter for years and know all too well that kind of "sucking it up" and behaving is about. This is a different ball game. You continue to overlook the facts that you claim to want to get to and keep referring to situations that resemble the situation at hand only if youre 10 miles away and know nothing about escorting. I get the points your making one right after the other, but they do not apply here.

[Guest RyanCade]

I hate that what you say is true but time has proved that you are largely, if not completely, correct. Unfortunately, escorts and clients appear here in a forum in which clients are prospects. This forum is a combination of sales and marketing tool for escorts and whenever anyone is in a room full of prospects, they need to be very careful when they open their mouth. It's true no matter what you're selling.

 

I hate it because this place is the only place I know where escorts and clients really can carry on a discussion. It would be wonderful if that could be open and honest but I'd advise any escort who asked me how to participate here to tread very carefully unless they already had a stable client base and weren't really looking for more clients.

 

A few escorts have successfully navigated the Message Center for long periods of time, but they have been few and far between.

 

 

 

You are a smart man.

 

BG

 

Undoubtedly. But no more or less than would be true for anyone who is selling a product or service and who is participating in a forum that is largely comprised of his customers. In fact, it's really not much different than when I'm participating in a forum maintained for my company's customers and prospects. I simply do not feel able to speak my mind on any number of issues. That doesn't bother me, because I'm not there for fun. I'm there as a representative of my company and my goal is to keep our current customers happy and attract new customers. It's business, so I don't mind that I need to behave myself. When I want to have fun, I turn to other venues.

 

BG

BG you said in another post there was no double standard here, now you have chosen the word "Undoubtedly" I am confused

[Leap Year]

Thanks BG, my apologies to Daddy. I misunderstood.

[Boston Guy]

BG, There is no comparison, this is completely different and if you insist on comparing it to your office job where there is an unspoken set of social standards that people are held to, in this business those standards don't exist. You don't get naked in front of your clients and put yourself in a positition to be hurt the same way escorts do. I was a waiter for years and know all too well that kind of "sucking it up" and behaving is about. This is a different ball game. You continue to overlook the facts that you claim to want to get to and keep referring to situations that resemble the situation at hand only if youre 10 miles away and know nothing about escorting. I get the points your making one right after the other, but they do not apply here.

 

Ryan, you are entitled to your opinion but I think you're wrong on this one. Escorts can act any way they want on this forum and write anything they want. You are as free as I am or anyone else to write anything you want. But your interests here, or at least the interests of most escorts who have come here over the years, are different than the interests of the clients who come here.

 

It has been my observation that escorts over the years have seen the Message Center as a potential source of new clients and rightly so. It provides good exposure for new escorts and continuing exposure for more seasoned escorts. But escorts need to make a choice: do they come here to engage in conversations and say anything they want or do they come here for business reasons -- essentially, marketing.

 

If it's not business, then an escort should feel as free as anyone to post anything at all. But if the goal is to build an image and a clientele, then discretion is likely going to be the better course of action over the long term. There used to be many escorts participating here ten years ago. Most lasted only a short time and many stopped coming after essentially getting angry and provoking fights.

 

I don't care what anyone posts. Post away. But if an escort asks me how to best use this as a resource to build a base of clients, I'd advise him to be discreet, non-confrontational, sexy and charming. And to post a small amount on a regular basis, just to keep in front of the clients.

 

In concept, that's not very different than the way professional salespeople handle online forums that are populated by clients who represent long-term client relationships. Salespeople will never choose to just spout off whatever they feel like posting on those forums because doing so may well offend a client or a prospect and that's bad for business and the point of participating in the client forum at all is to build new business. Essentially, we're talking about sales and marketing 101.

 

Many young escorts don't understand that. They think that because they get naked in front of their customers that their business must be unlike any other when, in fact, the most successful escorts realize fully that they are engaged in a business very like other businesses in that success requires successful marketing, sales, and customer service.

 

If you were to spend a day with a professional sales manager and he was free to talk to you about your business, at the end of the day I think you would be amazed at how much sales and marketing is similar from one industry to another. It has little to do with sucking up and a great deal to do with understanding your customers, understanding what they are looking for, positioning your products or services carefully to the market, developing an effecting marketing program and following it through with an effective sales program. Those things are just as important for an escort as they are for a company; only the scale is different.

 

You are free to continue to claim that escorting is unlike anything else and that none of lessons of business apply. You may continue to tell me that I know nothing about escorting, if it pleases you to do so. It won't hurt me at all: it's not my business that's at risk here and I will not presume to tell you how to run yours.

 

If at some point you want my advice, I'll always be happy to offer the best advice I am able to offer. I seldom get angry and I don't hold grudges. But I will offer you one piece of unsolicited advice. This board is populated by a fair number of men who come from very different backgrounds. Many of the people here have been quite or very successful in their careers and they represent a broad base of knowledge ready to be tapped. Instead of charging ahead on points and making angry claims about this or that, have you considered asking questions instead?.

 

For example, instead of telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about, did you consider asking me to explain why I thought that there was great similarity between how escorts might or perhaps should use this forum and how professional salespeople use other forums? If you took that course of action and I explained my thoughts, you could say "Oh, thanks" and dismiss them as worthless or take whatever you wanted from them. Perhaps you'd even find that by asking questions like this that you end up learning some new things and that some of those new things help you in your business. In any event, you would have taken a course of action that would have been less confrontational and considerably more friendly than simply telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

BG

[Boston Guy]

BG you said in another post there was no double standard here, now you have chosen the word "Undoubtedly" I am confused

 

This was a different subject. There is clearly a double standard in terms of posting in the Message Center. Escorts who wish to use the Message Center as a marketing tool are well-advised not to post their innermost thoughts here. On the other hand, if an escort doesn't care what the people here think of him, then the double standard doesn't exist and he should feel free to post with abandon.

 

I wrote previously that there was no double standard in terms of a couple of other things, including security, since both clients and escorts face potential threats at each encounter and each may feel reluctant to involve the police after being victimized.

 

Escorting is a complex subject, rather than one simple, singular thing. There are many aspects to it, some of which involve double standards and some of which do not.

 

BG